Looks like something was stuck under Alonso's car most of the race or broke suspension arm housing.
Abit of the williams carbon fibre?
That a great spot.
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Abit of the williams carbon fibre?
That a great spot.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-why-red-bulls-f1-car-is-suddenly-undriveable/
Mark Hughes (autosport mag) on what happen to RedBull this weekend.
Mark Hughes (autosport mag) on what happen to RedBull this weekend.
Hell of a drive by Sainz, genius to make sure Lando always had DRS.
Crazy Max did that good with all the safety cars being so poorly timed.
On another day he had the pace to fight for the win. For a shit weekend by the team Max really salvaged it way more than could be expected
Crazy Max did that good with all the safety cars being so poorly timed.
On another day he had the pace to fight for the win. For a shit weekend by the team Max really salvaged it way more than could be expected
Virtual Safety Car kind of saved Red Bull from the worst.
Lando on why he didnt attack Sainz. When is the last time in F1, where two drivers from two different teams worked together to secure the 1-2 finish? im struggling to think of one.
"Amazing. Great race. No overtaking on track but perfect strategy. A great pit stop from my guys to get ahead of Charles and a good strategy," said Norris.
"Both Mercedes boxed and I thought it was a guarantee that they would get back past me, but I managed to hold them off. Carlos helped me achieve that. We worked together pretty well to help one another. If I got overtaken, he would have done.
"I had to play it tactical. If I attacked Carlos, I probably wouldn't have finished on the podium. I had to play it smart, and Carlos played it smart. He was clever with it all, so congrats to him."
"Amazing. Great race. No overtaking on track but perfect strategy. A great pit stop from my guys to get ahead of Charles and a good strategy," said Norris.
"Both Mercedes boxed and I thought it was a guarantee that they would get back past me, but I managed to hold them off. Carlos helped me achieve that. We worked together pretty well to help one another. If I got overtaken, he would have done.
"I had to play it tactical. If I attacked Carlos, I probably wouldn't have finished on the podium. I had to play it smart, and Carlos played it smart. He was clever with it all, so congrats to him."
In what way?
They didn't pit under VSC. It didn't help them at all really as It keeps the gaps the same give or take.
Max over the entire race lost like 28 seconds due to the Saftey cars not going his way.
But that's F1 sometimes shit happens
Those last 18 laps or whatever it was after the Merc's pitted for mediums were fantastic, looked like they had a pretty decent chance of getting a 1-2 but Sainz and Norris drove so well there at the end.
Really happy for Sainz, he truly deserved that top spot.
Really happy for Sainz, he truly deserved that top spot.
That's the track where its easy to keep those behind you even in drs range and not worry about getting overtaken unless your car is dramatically less powerful than the rest. Seinz could afford to slow down in order to extend tire range and still not worry about losing P1
It's all about the battle for P1 though? Adrenaline and all that
Thats mad. Also explains Alonso's pitstop for SOFTS under VSC, when they had to lift one side of the car to get the front and rear on. Did AM and Alonso not realise during the race this had happened?
This is the opening paragraphs of the summmary of the race fron The Guardian.
"...Were Formula One considering quite what a show it would have without Red Bull’s dominance this season, the Singapore Grand Prix delivered a glimpse of this much-anticipated future, a spectacle beyond even the sport’s most wishful thinking.
Transforming from sedate to sensational as Ferrari’s Carlos Sainz hung on for a mighty victory, it was fitting that the curtain should fall on Red Bull’s relentless winning streak with a thriller in which the world champion elect Max Verstappen was but a bit-part player....'
The opening paragraph of the race summary from The Times
"...Formula One returned to its best under the lights in Singapore with an enthralling, breathless finish in which the top four cars fought within two seconds of each other for victory..."
So its not just me who thought it was great. We'll get back to the usual snorefest of RB domination at the next GP.
Besides, what makea this such a great day is that Max's run got stopped and RB wont have a perfect record of GP wins this season. Makes the evening so much sweeter.
British sports journos being bitter shocker.
"spectacle beyond even the most wishful thinking"
"spectacle beyond even the most wishful thinking"
I find it hard to believe so many people here dislike George Russel. He is not half bad as some make him out to be, pretty weird stuff.
Beyond weird. If it wasn't for the SC it would be your standard issue street circuit snoozefest.British sports journos being bitter shocker.
"spectacle beyond even the most wishful thinking"
Also "the battle for P1 is all that matters" and in the same time you have drivers at P1 and P2 basically helping each other. What can I say, edge of your seat stuff.
The best race of the season by far, the last 10 or so laps was some great racing by the top four. Great drive by Sainz.
If it wasnt for one clever double stack by Mercedes it would have been a literal procession from lap 1 to lap 62. With them all on dog shit tyres for the last 20 laps.
The first P2 told to stay 5 seconds away from P1 and back up the entire pack. Another P2 told to hold off and not attack P1 for what, 30 laps? And a third P2 literally working together with P1 to maintain their positions.
What it shows is that sports journos and pundits, especially British ones, know feck all about motorsport and really just care about the
Why? He's just not likeable at all.
It's the combo of being smug, a crybaby and a PR drone, also his habit of torpedoing other drivers and techpro barriers.
Indeed you are in the minority on this one.
He also gets a bit of the Rosberg treatment, for daring to beat Sir Lewis over the course of a season.
Now this I don't think is correct but I don't watch British media regularly. Its just something robot-y about him. Very advanced humanoid but just barely still in the uncanny valley.
He's fine, just like leclerc he makes mistakes (slip of concentration) under pressure he cant afford to make if he ever wants to win a WDC in the future.
He comes across as bright and switched on in race commentary with his race engineer. Has the same sort of questions to be answered about him as does Lando, Leclerc, Sainz i.e. given a potential WDC capable car, could they deliver a WDC
That's nonsense.
He showed who he is, when he slapped Bottas after crashing him out of the race. No coming back from that.
If I'm Williams I'd certainly be speaking to Lawson and seeing if I could secure him to replace Sargeant if AT don't want him - there's a few races left to properly watch him as I remember being impressed by De Vries in his stand in stint last season and we all know how that turns out
Did Perez have a different set up to Max? Max was slicing through the field at the end while Perez continued to toil. He's usually decent on street tracks too
The race was really dull until the last few laps however that's the closeness at the front people want especially on a better overtaking track that would have been really interesting. When was the last time we had a race where 4 drivers had a chance of winning during the last few laps?
Did Perez have a different set up to Max? Max was slicing through the field at the end while Perez continued to toil. He's usually decent on street tracks too
The race was really dull until the last few laps however that's the closeness at the front people want especially on a better overtaking track that would have been really interesting. When was the last time we had a race where 4 drivers had a chance of winning during the last few laps?
He was too budy playing bumper cars, crashing with Albon & later Lawson.
Max was 14(or was it 17?)seconds behind Leclerc three laps before the end, how on earth did he almost pass him in the end?
He didn't really salvage anything. He started 11th and would have finished 8th if not for Alonso, Russell and Ocon throwing it. Though Ocon not really his fault but was having a great race.
Thought we had a chance to see Merc back on the podium in a 1-2 but really clever by Sainz knowing he'd finish 3rd if he didn't help Lando.
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I don’t think Russel is that likeable, but I don’t think he’s less likeable than most of the front runners, and think he gets a disproportionate amount of criticism.
He definitely panders to the audience which is very annoying, but he also makes brave, exciting calls.
He definitely panders to the audience which is very annoying, but he also makes brave, exciting calls.
It can't be that weird because that safety car and double stack did happen. You're basically saying 'if the thing that made the race exciting hadn't happened it would've been a dull race, so it's weird that people say it was exciting', which is kinda weird to be honest.
I also don't think anyone disagrees with the first half of the race being boring, but if the cars in 4th and 5th place both have a huge opportunity to win while coming out 20sec behind the leader with 18 laps to go and no one being able to predict the top 4 until the last few corners then I think that more than makes up for it, especially when we haven't seen anything like it in what feels like forever. Yea Norris didn't go for the win but that's just smart driving and made the Merc's hunting them down even more interesting to me as it added a layer you hardly ever see in F1, though I also get why others would've preferred to see him challenge Sainz.
Well, no. Because the point we're arguing against is that the thing that made (a small portion of) the race exciting was that RB were not involved. If Max and Checo were 1st and 2nd on 40 lap old hard tyres and Mercedes were on 0 lap old mediums they'd catch up the same rate as they were with Lando and Sainz.
I wish we could go back to when people who discussed these things discussed which back street boy was likable. I blame unity media and netflix.
It was debris picked up in lap 2 from Perez Tsunoda crash.
Its not too bad on here, quite tame. Stay on here for alittle while and you can figurebout quite easily who is a fan of what team.
There are some truly toxic f1 threads / sites i.e. facebook, gpblog or the comments pages on The-Race.com. The latter is a good site for F1 articles but they are closing the comments section / switching it to paying members only, as the toxic hatred gets in the way of actual useful interesting comments.
But as you said thats social media.
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Depends where you set your bar. There are other sports threads which have supporters of many teams /players which, for the most part, remain civil throughout the year. I think this thread is mostly civil but people in this thread do a much worse job across the spectrum of separating their bias from the discussion.
I don't think that's it, pretty sure the people who like Lewis generally like George too.
Anyway, enjoyable race yesterday and great to see the red bulls out of contention for once. Shows how great this season could/ would have been without them really as so many other teams have been close to each other all season.
How long does sainz have to match / beat le clerc for before opinion swings to him being as good as / better than him? He was brilliant all weekend.
With how the safety cars panned out he lost like 28 seconds compared to other drivers. His average race pace ended up being the 3rd best on the grid and that's with spending more time in traffic from being down the pack.
Of course he salvaged the race. His pace shows with a bit of luck or a better Quali setup he actually would have been fighting for the win.
Indeed. Last few laps were great but the superlatives to describe Singapore when we've had several races that were fun from just about start to finish is hilarious.British sports journos being bitter shocker.
"spectacle beyond even the most wishful thinking"
I was very impressed with Sainz this weekend. I think more than a few wrote him off as a ferrari no2 prematurely. The car has been quite unstable and the twitchy rear end had been difficult for Sainz to manage. However as they have stablised the car with recent updates, it seems to have come back towards Sainz.
Sainz seems like he's in the Button, Russell, Perez driving style of driver who needs a car to have a very stable rear end and for it to be nicely balanced. These guys can be really fast by being smooth with their driving ala Jackie Stewart, Alain Prost etc.
Leclerc on the other hand is blisteringly quick but has mistakes in him. He can deal with a twitchy car better than Sainz. However as the car becomes more balanced and drivable it will be interesting to see how they both compare for rest of the season.
edit: this is a interesting watch, martin brundle on Button, Alonso, Schmacher driving styles.
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