Yea it's a bit shady no doubt, but the real farce is the rule that says a 5sec penalty should carry over to the next race if you retire the car before you have a chance to serve it.
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Yea it's a bit shady no doubt, but the real farce is the rule that says a 5sec penalty should carry over to the next race if you retire the car before you have a chance to serve it.
It going to be interesting to see how RedBull rebuild Perez's shattered confidence for next season. Hes a broken man. They will probably need him more next season to be a wing man for max. Especially if ferrari/mercedes/mclaren etc can actually challenge for wins in race pace.What an absolutely appalling race from Perez. That second incident of his with Magnussen was a sign of a desperate man who knew he had to overtake but just couldn't do it. Terrible driving. And then he had the ignominy of having to retire twice!By the way, that seems like a big loophole in the rules there, allowing a car to come out and serve a pen so it doesn't roll over into the next race, even though you retired the car. That should not be allowed.
Maybe RedBull fans on here can answer this. Doesnt max owe Perez a GP win from last season?
If Perez can actually get to 2nd in a GP behind max. Would max move over and give perez a win? It would probably help his confidence.
Personally id like to see Perez dumped for next season and Lawson given the no2/apprentice/wing man role to learn from and support max. Unfortuntely Perez apparently has a iron tight contract till end of season.
So lawson best shot is 2nd seat at Williams. Unfortuntely he'd have to be released from RB to get that seat. Totto has been pushing for mick schmacher to get sargents seat but james vowles has said no to mick getting it.
Not really a team fan , more of a driver fan, but I have followed McLaren since Hunt, Lauda then there was the Prost and Senna seasons and of course Lewis's first WC.
They deserve to be at the top, they have produced some of the legends of F1.
Haikkenen for me.
yeap another cracking driver.
I’ll never forget in F1 PS1 game which was the 1995 season that the mclaren choices were Mark Blundell and Mika Hakkinen. I just so happened to press right on their screen and Nigel Mansell appeared!
As a 6 year old I was delighted! Loved that game. Although driving as Coulthard in that Williams waswhat I did most.
A vastly underrated driver, watch the documentary on Sky about him , it is brillant.
Seeing him sit in the car in the garage like a scolded child, i did feel a bit sorry for him! But it was his own mistake that led him to be in that position, so...
As for owing him a win. I'm not really sure he "owes" him, to be honest. It was obviously something that happened a while ago, it was a bit of a storm in teacup and they both sorted it out and moved on. It wasn't great from Max, don't get me wrong. It was a bit of a dick move, but it's done now. I think that's that, really. And i'm not sure about the confidence boost part, either. You could argue the opposite. It could be seen as very patronising. There's a difference between letting your teammate through because they're faster than you (or for tactical reasons), and letting you're teammate through to basically give them a pat on the head and say "go on, son, i'll give you this one"
Also, and I'm not being a dick here, but I genuinely don't think he could get close enough to Max in the last few laps of a race in order for Max to do that. So it's a bit of a moot point, really.
Sorry why does Max owe Perez a race win?
If only the car could radio in.
Just watching now as too early for me this morning
Perez is driving like me on Gran Turismo up to 3 "incidents" so far including the SC incident, the one with Hamilton and him effectively ending Magnusson's race
Also Sargeant, didn't Haas bin off Schumacher as his crashing was costing them too much money?
Also wish they'd take note of how the better races are on the "proper" circuits rather than the ones there because of the £££'s they bring, this one is great
Perez is driving like me on Gran Turismo
up to 3 "incidents" so far including the SC incident, the one with Hamilton and him effectively ending Magnusson's raceAlso Sargeant, didn't Haas bin off Schumacher as his crashing was costing them too much money?
Also wish they'd take note of how the better races are on the "proper" circuits rather than the ones there because of the £££'s they bring, this one is great
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FIA will look to close the loophole that allowed Red Bull and Sergio Perez to serve a five-second time penalty at the Japanese Grand Prix.
Perez endured a miserable weekend at Suzuka and his race quickly unravelled on Sunday, first making contact with Lewis Hamilton on the opening lap before overtaking Fernando Alonso before the safety car line and picking up a five-second time penalty.
The Mexican driver then picked up another penalty when he dived down the inside of Kevin Magnussen into the hairpin, sending the Haas driver into a spin and ending any hopes of salvaging a points finish.
With Checo's car damaged again and the 33-year-old comfortably out of contention, Red Bull opted to retire the car, but Checo still had a five-second time penalty to serve.
Ordinarily, this would be converted to a grid penalty for the following race, but Red Bull instead opted to send the retired driver back out into the race to serve his penalty, before bringing him back into the garage for good.
FIA to change F1 rule straight away after Red Bull exploit loophole at Japanese GP (msn.com)
Perez endured a miserable weekend at Suzuka and his race quickly unravelled on Sunday, first making contact with Lewis Hamilton on the opening lap before overtaking Fernando Alonso before the safety car line and picking up a five-second time penalty.
The Mexican driver then picked up another penalty when he dived down the inside of Kevin Magnussen into the hairpin, sending the Haas driver into a spin and ending any hopes of salvaging a points finish.
With Checo's car damaged again and the 33-year-old comfortably out of contention, Red Bull opted to retire the car, but Checo still had a five-second time penalty to serve.
Ordinarily, this would be converted to a grid penalty for the following race, but Red Bull instead opted to send the retired driver back out into the race to serve his penalty, before bringing him back into the garage for good.
FIA to change F1 rule straight away after Red Bull exploit loophole at Japanese GP (msn.com)
Ironic thing is that it's not the first time it's been done in F1 and it's quite common to do in the feeder series. FIA again trying to save face when it's allowed it for years and years.
My friend sent this clip to me. What a beauty from both
Two of my favorite drivers in different eras outside of Ferrari drivers, I like aggressive drivers.
Awesome. Also shows how smooth modern cars are and how much downforce they keep going through the turns.
https://reddit.com/r/formuladank/s/SU9kYCkoy0
https://reddit.com/r/formuladank/s/ZaupbjSQbi
Shows how easy modern F1 cars are to drive compared to their 80 versions. No comparision. Senna lap is in different league of impressive.
https://reddit.com/r/formuladank/s/ZaupbjSQbi
Shows how easy modern F1 cars are to drive compared to their 80 versions. No comparision. Senna lap is in different league of impressive.
Perhaps. But the amount of forces and concentration required of the driver are arguably much greater today. Not only is the car way larger and has less visibility, Max' lap compared to the Senna one was also about 13 seconds (!!) faster. I'd say the challenges of driving either are different.
Martin Brundle
The current cars are physically easier to drive [than those from previous eras] - but they're not easier to keep on track...
Derek Warwick
The cars I drove were more physical [than today's]. Could a Verstappen-type driver have gone quick straight away? I think he'd have struggled...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...er-to-drive-than-those-from-previous-era.html
Seems like quotes that dont say much of anything. So Brundle is saying modern cars are harder to drive but in a different way, and Warwick is saying something that would equally apply to putting Senna in a modern car. As i said, its kind of hard to really use these discussions re who is or isn't a better driver than another which what it often seems to come down to.
Take a Fangio and put him in Senna's car and that might be "easy" to drive. Or take a WWI fighter pilot and put them in a high performance WWII prop, etc. It's fun to have these discussions but in the end it's really apples and oranges.
yes it is apples and oranges. which is why i see no value in the onboard comparison videos of different era.
In fangios era there were no seatbelts and you were expected to jump out of the car to save yourself before it hit a wall/barrier.
So we've got one of Landos cars from this season at our work, could have it for quite a while apparently.
I've got a few different photos but didn't want to dox myself. Touched the rear wing, waiting on my fine.
What will you do with it?
It's just there as a show piece, celebration of engineering etc. Something for the visitors basically.
get in the seat and get a mate to take a pic
So we've got one of Landos cars from this season at our work, could have it for quite a while apparently.
I've got a few different photos but didn't want to dox myself. Touched the rear wing, waiting on my fine.
And then quietly drive it home and park it behind some bushes until everybody forgot about it.
Not sure if we're allowed in the seat, still had the steering wheel so would need to remove it. It's moving to another location after a while, about 5m from where I eat lunch so maybe I'll get a chance to hope in then.
Don’t spill your custard on it
do one of those clever angle photos so it looks like your sitting in the car.
I guess its a very early season car before they started bolting on, all the addons tat nade it super quick.
Still cool that you get so close to it.
One other question, which you'd have to get on the floor for. Does it actually have a mclaren F1 floor with the vanes and tunnels?
So we've got one of Landos cars from this season at our work, could have it for quite a while apparently.
I've got a few different photos but didn't want to dox myself. Touched the rear wing, waiting on my fine.
Is it real or a display car?
Well worth a listen. Tom Clarkson for his "Beyond the grid" podcast. Interviews none other than Adrian Newey.
https://spotify.link/PSfaLzPErDb
https://spotify.link/PSfaLzPErDb
Should be easy to spot... the engine inlets usually give it away. Or the bodywork around the suspension.
Here it is from another angle.
Edit: and another, bit funky over the wheel as I magic erased myself from the photo
Here it is from another angle.
Edit: and another, bit funky over the wheel as I magic erased myself from the photo
Can't tell from a photo...
Have a look in the louvres, is there engine gubbins under there? In the intricate unpainted bits of suspension and aero can you see the carbon weave or is it just plastic?
i doubt the powertrain would be in there. Its always removed.
Watching that clip from VSC when Norris was behind Perez, isn't that another penalty worthy? Did that happen after Perez was back in the race? If so, he definitely deserves point deduction.
Likely but there will still be some parts in there as opposed to a display car which is just an empty shell.