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And Kante has? Kante was struggling when he was getting paired with Fabregas and had to do all the dirty work himself. Only when Conte got Matic to be paired with Kante in the Chelsea midfield did we see Kante getting back to his own best self. Just goes to show how much underrating of Herrera is done here. Kante is like a headless chicken - he is not the person I want to be anchoring our midfield.
Or both. That would sort our midfield a treat.
Absolutely not. He wouldn't have helped us in the final third which is where our problems lie.
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We should just buy Monaco...
Fabinho will be a great addition, if we succeeded to added Nainngolan which is unluckily , though, then the midfielder is sorted for years :
If we got Fabinho it'll still be great on its own, but I prefer another number 8 midfielder with him since it seems we're going for a massive summer already.
Fabinho
Nainngolan - Pogba
With Herrera remaining as a back-up and will still be valuable in many games Nainngolan - Pogba
If we got Fabinho it'll still be great on its own, but I prefer another number 8 midfielder with him since it seems we're going for a massive summer already.
This logic baffles me.
We haven't been fine. We're in 5th and have played Marouanne Fellaini in our midfield more often than not.
When you aren't competing at the top level, you look for players to bring you to that level.
This idea that you wait until mediocre players have brought you to the top level, then sign the players that are suited to that level is absurd.
I think we're gonna spend massively this summer...like £200-300m on about 5 or 6 players...
GK if De Gea Leaves, one or two new CB's, a Holding Midfielder, winger, Striker...
Each one needs to be a top, top player, and they don't come easily...
GK if De Gea Leaves, one or two new CB's, a Holding Midfielder, winger, Striker...
Each one needs to be a top, top player, and they don't come easily...
Sorry to be a downer but I cant see us signing any of these players without champions league for 2 years running. I hope I'm wrong but I think everything hinges on it and if we fail we will have to lower our expectations as other clubs in the champions league will get these top players.
The thread title is a bit misleading. Sounds like he's more of a back up option but the list doesn't make any sense as they're very different midfielders.
Probably because this is vague, speculative nonsense.
Yeah I don't get that at all. People seem determined not to want to buy players even when ours aren't good enough, and want to persevere as if they're all going to be. I'm sure it stems from when we had a very good team and could afford to act like we were better than others because of our home grown and young buys that turned out great. We're a long way from that now though and football's changed (part of why we've been left behind)
If you actually read you'd see I said the inverse - signing good players irrespective of having perfect team balance - i.e. Nainggolan over a 'perfect holder' that everyone is lauding over. I never said we should be content in signing mediocre players. Congratulations for completely misreading the post.
Are you all just misreading posts, or something? I said I'd be extremely happy in signing Nainggolan, and that signing somebody of Naiggolan's ability level would, in my opinion, be better than signing a lesser player who gives the 'perfect holding'.
Fabinho is once again getting a bad rep on the caf. He isn't just a DM, in fact he has mainly been used as a defensive box to box more than an anchor. He is a solid passer with a good vision, he has a better technique than his potential DM counterparts, he is faster, taller, more powerful.
That's true. His versatility to play two positions at a high standard is probably more compelling than simply saying buzzwords like 'perfect holder!!'
Though, Nainggolan can and does play multiple roles too. This season for Roma he has had plenty of success as an inside forward (Mourinho could implement him in such a way for big games, for instance) and earlier in his career did play as a no.6.
The point I am making is that it is not the be and end all of having a few players whose best positions are in the same place. Good players can merge well together.
But he could have also cut out possession.and saved a few equalizers from being scored. You cant deal in hypotheticals and not consider that.
He is a very effective DM and very good at winning the ball
So is Ander Herrera. Our first choice midfield - Pogba and Herrera - are not the issue here. It's those ahead of them. Putting an extra midfielder behind these two wouldn't do much at all to solve our goal scoring woes.
He's not even a holding player as Matic plays further back. He would have taken Herrera's place - and given Herrera has been one of our best players - I don't see what he would have brought to the team. We could easily be 6 points better off if we didn't act like complete fecking gimps anytime we had the ball in the opposition box, in multiple games this season.
From pretty much the best source available.
You know you can win points by preventing goals too yes? How many 1-1s have we had?
The conversation wasnt initially about Kante it wss about a more defensive mid who would have made a difference.
Think a proper DM can help your attack. For one, we will be winning more balls in the middle of the pitch and secondly, it'd allow our more creative midfielders to influence the game further up the pitch without worrying about the space behind them.
Rightside of a 3 man defence maybe?
Most of which are down to freak one off chances from the opponents. The difference a holding midfielder would have made to this season is far less significant than the point a genuine goalscorer would have. We aren't a side that are a mess defensively, we've conceded something like 13 goals in our last 25 matches. The issue is upfront. I don't understand how you're failing to see this.
A defensive mid in the Fabinho mould would add some steel but Kante, just no. Anyhow, our glaring issues are up top.
A defensive mid would have turned a few of those draws into wins yes.
A good ball winner would have reduced these freak chances occurring. A good DM would have gotten us at least 2 more wins.
Maybe. But tbh a lot of those draws we absolutely battered the opposition, and what was missing form those games was someone to put the ball in the back of the next.
It's complete conjecture and completely hypothetical. However, it's clear as day that more efficient players in the final third would most certainly have won us more points. Again, Kante is not a defensive midfielder.
However, if you are advocating us signing an actual defensive mid like Fabinho, then yes, I would be open to that. I was responding to the notion that Kante - who again, would be more similar to Herrera, one of our best players - would somehow have won us more points. I was baffled by that.
We arent disputing that.
Kante wasnt the initial point I told you that already. We are also failing to take into consideration squad depth and player rotation especially now when we are hurting for numbers.
Please no Mbappe.
There are about 3,000 better ways to spend 100m.
There are about 3,000 better ways to spend 100m.
Fair enough, I saw the Kante point and was miffed that he was again being brought up. We definitely need numbers in midfield for sure. I mean Fellaini has played far too many games this season. I would quite like us to sign Fabinho. I definitely haven't seen him as much as a-fair few on here, but when I've seen him, I've been impressed.
No I never said you were mate. I was merely pointing out that a goal scorer would have been better for us and a defensive midfielder, simply because you can not say that Fabinho's presence would have been enough to keep a clean sheet, whereas a goal scorer with the amount of chances we created would have almost certainly got us the win.
I would like you to list every single one please...
Freshness may have gotten us a few more points yes. Fabinho does look the part.
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