Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Sorry lads been busy today, I'll pick now
 
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Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
What do you guys make of Varela? He's one of the best DMs anyway IMO but with the World Cup performances only being considered, that IMO makes him a great pick especially for round 3
 
rpitroda said:
What do you guys make of Varela? He's one of the best DMs anyway IMO but with the World Cup performances only being considered, that IMO makes him a great pick especially for round 3
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Yeah great choice. Exceptional leader and a great shield in front of defense.
 
rpitroda said:
What do you guys make of Varela? He's one of the best DMs anyway IMO but with the World Cup performances only being considered, that IMO makes him a great pick especially for round 3
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This is what me and NM got when we picked him in a previous draft against Antohan :lol:

To be honest I suspect a lot of that was due to the fact he was playing against us so he just went overboard with the criticisms, he gets ridiculously competitive in these things which he admits.

antohan said:
Reason why Varela will be anonymous

He had a visceral dislike for all things foreign, which is why he called any and all foreigners “japoneses” (Japanese). The moment they weren’t Uruguayan he didn’t care from how close or far away, they were all the same: aliens.

Once he was tempted by an offer from Argentina, went to BA but never signed, homesick within hours of arriving. He felt they were all weird people with different codes, and that’s Argentinians he was not gelling with. Think Rush banging on about Juve being “like being in a different country”, and multiply by 100.

His main asset when motivating players was his ability to create an “us and them” siege mentality. He didn’t do that through rousing speeches but through building rapport, finding common ground, shared beliefs, etc. His leadership talk was peppered with idiosyncrasies, things that only he and the other contemporary Uruguayan players shared and would make them connect instantly. That connection meant he sometimes didn’t even have to talk, a knowing glance would suffice… All that is shot to pieces the moment he is not captaining the Uruguayan national team but an ABU (All-But-Uruguay) set of colleagues. How does a cultural misfit get through to those he is meant to inspire like no other captain ever has inspired a side?


Just imagine how effective his motivational techniques would be… For example, go tell X PLAYERS to get their johnsons out and group-piss on newspaper photos of my team. Yeah, that will work :rolleyes:. And that’s 70% of what there was to him. Gone.

Then another 20% was intimidating the opposition. No, not kicking lumps, he actually was quite honest, yet hard, in the tackle. It was simply that through his sheer presence when looking at them he put the fear of God into them. Will that work with X PLAYERS? The feck it will. Mind you, it’s the reason we’ve kept X on the bench to come on later in the game when he has seen there’s nothing to worry about and his relentless pressing is more effective on worn out midfielders.

So what is on the pitch is the other 10%, a slow and technically limited midfielder who would never keep up with the modern game. Rather than the all-action midfielder NM believes to have, he actually had to manage his exertions during the game as he was asthmatic. He did have a very good shot on his right peg though.

He was rejected after trials at both Peñarol and Nacional and almost quit football until a minor side took him on. Over time, Peñarol realised what NM hasn't, that yes he was limited, but he got everyone to give 120%. Unfortunately for NM, that was all down to a leadership style that simply won't work with a multinational all-era all-star side with nothing in common. In short, he was a man for his countrymen, his time, his context, and mastered that to great effect like no other captain ever has, or will.

Let’s be clear, he absolutely deserves to be up there with the very best ever. What is remarkable about him though is not his abilityas a footballer, he wouldn’t make the Top 500 on that basis. What is remarkable is that despite those limitations he mastered the psychological part of the game like no other. It wasn’t just his mentality but the one he instilled on every single one in his XI, and the damage inflicted on rivals. On that basis, he is the best ever, by a long country mile, but none of that is even remotely relevant here. He reckons he is playing with a bunch of feckwits, and the ten feckwits think he is out of his depth.

Crass misuse of our dear captain :annoyed:

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rpitroda said:
What do you guys make of Varela? He's one of the best DMs anyway IMO but with the World Cup performances only being considered, that IMO makes him a great pick especially for round 3
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He is the inspirational leader an otherwise lacking side would need. I was going to pick him.
 
Theon said:
This is what me and NM got when we picked him in a previous draft against Antohan :lol:

To be honest I suspect a lot of that was due to the fact he was playing against us so he just went overboard with the criticisms, he gets ridiculously competitive in these things which he admits.
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You might wanna censor the names of the unpicked players in that post. :p
 
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Theon said:
This is what me and NM got when we picked him in a previous draft against Antohan :lol:

To be honest I suspect a lot of that was due to the fact he was playing against us so he just went overboard with the criticisms, he gets ridiculously competitive in these things which he admits.
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Wow! Luckily I find a lot of that nonsense =P.
 
rpitroda said:
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Wow! Luckily I find a lot of that nonsense =P.
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I had Varela before and made the case that "Just like the modern tactics were different, the modern philosophy, mentality and politics are different - so they can't be considered like that".

Almost 100% of the people around the globe 100 years ago were racist in one way or another. Does that mean we can't play them with a player of another race/nationality? Of course not - that ruins the game as much as saying they need to fit in a certain tactic.

Well played by Antohan to shit-talk like that, but it was just that - shit talk. Had no real value to the out-come of the game or Varelas influence of his teammates.

It is exactly as ridiculous as saying "Player Y didn't/doesn't even speak english ahhaha how can they talk xD".
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Thanks Aldo. The greatest South American defender of all time and completes the best CB pairing in the draft.
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
rpitroda said:
What do you guys make of Varela? He's one of the best DMs anyway IMO but with the World Cup performances only being considered, that IMO makes him a great pick especially for round 3
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I see some have put forth my views. Theon of course avoided posting a different piece I wrote looking at him individually and his influence in that final. Don't get me wrong, he was immense, but he really wasn't a great footballer but a leader, who led in a certain way suited to that team and unlikely to work in an All Star Team.

I stand by that, it's based on actually knowing about the player several times more than the combined knowledge of the entire caf. But yeah, go ahead, most will rate him as the individual and his WC impact and not by what he brings to the side.

In fairness, this being a WC-peak specific draft I could see the logic in that, I still was only going to pick him if still around in the 5th turn or so and probably as a sub motivating my men in the boot room.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Great job by Jayvin to get the partnership of Rivaldo and Ronaldo. :drool:
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Jayvin once almost nailed the Brazil 2002 WC side, think it was the 70s draft. Obviously missed a few key players so I think he is having another go at it. Shame about Ronnie though.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Thanks Aldo. The greatest South American defender of all time and completes the best CB pairing in the draft.
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Passarella-Moore is a great pair of individuals but don't quite do it for me as a pair. Both seem to have the same strengths and weaknesses and I would have looked at them as either/or really.
 
antohan said:
Passarella-Moore is a great pair of individuals but don't quite do it for me as a pair. Both seem to have the same strengths and weaknesses and I would have looked at them as either/or really.
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They are two of the top five cbs of all time. What weaknesses do they have?
 
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