Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Theon said:
I can't even remember who I had with Passarella before upgrading to Baresi! I remember that whole defence being a huge gamble at the time made worse with the attacking left back and defensively weak midfield.

But yeah I agree with you there is a clash of styles, KM had a similar problem in the All Time draft and it is one I'm in danger of falling into if I don't get it right. Libero's in general can be pretty hard to get right I think
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I believe that if you want to get the best out of Beckenbauer, you shouldn't give him too much protection to go forward. That's the main difference to all the other sweepers/liberos out there, that's what sets him apart. He's basically a top 5 of all time centerback/defensive midfielder/deep lying playmaker turned into one with almost superhuman game reading skills. Let him rule that central defensive area. Most of the time, when you have a libero/sweeper, you want to give him protection so that he has the freedom to go on a run, so you play a back 5 or a defensive midfielder who can cover for him. You don't really need that, if you want to see Beckenbauer at his best. He'll make it work without that 3rd defensive player in the central area and still won't loose his influence in the build-up.

The problem is to convince the voters, because barely anyone will believe it. But if you look at that German team in 72 on paper, it really should have been a disaster defensively. It really wasn't.
 
Mmmm, errr, I probably don't want to say this just yet, it revolves around an unpicked player!
 
This is like watching paint dry. Probably worse actually, you don't even have the satisfaction of having finished painting.
 
antohan said:
Mmmm, errr, I probably don't want to say this just yet, it revolves around an unpicked player!
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Is this aimed at my post, because if it is, I think I know what you want to say :lol:. And I specifically said, you don't need that 3rd defensive player, you really need a 2nd one next to Beckenbauer of course.
 
Balu said:
Is this aimed at my post, because if it is, I think I know what you want to say :lol:. And I specifically said, you don't need that 3rd defensive player, you really need a 2nd one next to Beckenbauer of course.
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Yups, PM.

I don't really see a third defender as Beckenbauer protection but wingback cover though. I don't recall Germany playing wingbacks or attacking fullbacks, not a pair of them anyway.
 
antohan said:
Yups, PM.

I don't really see a third defender as Beckenbauer protection but wingback cover though. I don't recall Germany playing wingbacks or attacking fullbacks, not a pair of them anyway.
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Agree, the overall setup of course is important, that's why I was talking about that central defensive area. If you play a 3rd defender to cover for wingbacks, you still end up often enough with a back 5 when the other team is attacking and then Beckenbauer is a bit wasted, because he could do so much more.
 
Three and a half hours to go. feck me, we will probably miss Jayvin and tomorrow will be more of the same.
 
antohan said:
Three and a half hours to go. feck me, we will probably miss Jayvin and tomorrow will be more of the same.
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I've had a few already Snow, wife is away on some corporate XMAS event. I thought this would be more active!
 
Given there's bugger all to do, some more tidbits bumming my man Bozsik, from that article Theon sent earlier:
  • Arguably the finest deep lying playmaker in football history was Hungary’s stellar right-half, Jozsef Bozsik.[:D]
  • At the beginning of his career in Hungary few appreciated what Bozsik brought to the game. Lacking pace, many considered him to be ponderous on the ball and too slow to play for the national team. With time though observers began to realise that rather than make a wrong decision quickly, Bozsik took his time to get it right.[Sounds like Michael Carrick FFS!]
  • By the stage that he made his debut for the national team it was apparent that Bozsik’s decision making was one of the central strengths to his game. Not only was he able to spot the right pass at the right moment, his technique was impeccable. The youngster possessed a range of passing that allowed him to find distant targets, but he was also happy to play the simple ball if it meant retaining possession. Furthermore, he was almost impossible to dispossess as he shielded the ball so well from opponents.[Now we are talking! :D]
  • When Bozsik received the ball in his right-half position, his first thought was to try and play a cross-field diagonal pass to find Puskas at his typical inside-left. The source of so many of the goals scored by Puskas was this searching and unerring pass.[:drool:]
  • With Hidegkuti pulling players out of their natural positions, space was constantly available to Bozsik. Given his ability to choose the right pass when placed under even the greatest pressure, he was in his element when allowed free reign.[Not Michael Carrick then :cool:]
  • Given his lack of goalscoring prowess and the limited availability of footage it is perhaps inevitable that the name of Bozsik has largely been forgotten. Yet there are few historical players who would have been more valued in the modern game. For Bozsik possessed the gift that is the most valued in contemporary football and the hardest to find, that of time. He had the ability and composure to wait for the right option and to execute what few others could even see. In an era where such qualities are at a premium, Bozsik would have been peerless. [Well, that's the "how would he fare today" nonsense out of the window]
 
I'm sure you could find an article about every single player of that Hungarian Golden Team in which that player is considered the best of all time in his position :lol:.

(And I'm not sure it's really wrong)
 
Balu said:
I'm sure you could find an article about every single player of that Hungarian Golden Team in which that player is considered the best of all time in his position :lol:.

(And I'm not sure it's really wrong)
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There was a poll made some years ago with "football experts" and three of the five best ever sides coming out of it hadn't won the WC: Hungary 54, Netherlands 74 and Brazil 82. Unfortunately for beautiful football, there's always Germany or Italy ready to spoil the party. :p
 
antohan said:
There was a poll made some years ago with "football experts" and three of the five best ever sides coming out of it hadn't won the WC: Hungary 54, Netherlands 74 and Brazil 82. Unfortunately for beautiful football, there's always Germany or Italy ready to spoil the party. :p
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We would have spoiled Brazil 82 as well and in the final as usual, but annoyingly Italy was even better than us in destroying the beauty of football :(
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. M Laudrup
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Schnellinger 4. Zanetti
 
He's seen this so should be posting his pick soon. Probably recalculating after four defenders gone in one go.
 
antohan said:
I've had a few already Snow, wife is away on some corporate XMAS event. I thought this would be more active!
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I'm studying for a test that's in 8hours. I'll be around 'til then but I won't be active. I imagine I'm not the only one around taking tests.
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. M Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Schnellinger 4. Zanetti
 
I really knew it, but somehow I still had hope that he would pick someone else :(
 
Xavi is an absolute cnut to get the best out of I have found
 
Theon said:
Xavi is an absolute cnut to get the best out of I have found
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The only way his World Cup is impressive is in a possession setting. Possession football is bound to be alien to most generations in this draft and you are compelled to pick at least 5 pre-70s players. It's just far too easy to end up with an incoherent side, that's the main issue.
 
May as well keep them three together!

Zoltan Czibor (I'm getting to like this Commie Hungarian photoshoots)
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Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
 
:drool: Awesome! Absolutely brilliant anto, these were the types of partnerships I was talking about when we were deciding on a theme
 
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