Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Cal? said:
So we're going by WC averages then? I'll keep that in mind to trash talk Zidane 2002 and Maradona 1994 if I come up against those sides. :)
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No. It's just logical that Baresi is seen as the better player than Cannavaro. There's not much different between the two players at their best in the WC. Not many agreed with Cannavaro getting the golden ball at the time. Just besides that Baresi is always great. Cannavaro wasn't. Not a slight on Cannavaro as he had that excellent tournament.
Not like Zidane was shit in 2002 just because he headbutted a cnut in ET in the last game. He has good tournaments. You don't average it out mathematically. That's not possible. You just even it out in your head sort of. If the player didn't have a very good WC at all than he doesn't compare to one that does. Like Balu said. One great WC and two shit ones is better than 3 OK ones.
 
Snow said:
No. It's just logical that Baresi is seen as the better player than Cannavaro. There's not much different between the two players at their best in the WC. Not many agreed with Cannavaro getting the golden ball at the time. Just besides that Baresi is always great. Cannavaro wasn't. Not a slight on Cannavaro as he had that excellent tournament.
Not like Zidane was shit in 2002 just because he headbutted a cnut in ET in the last game. He has good tournaments. You don't average it out mathematically. That's not possible. You just even it out in your head sort of. If the player didn't have a very good WC at all than he doesn't compare to one that does. Like Balu said. One great WC and two shit ones is better than 3 OK ones.
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Zidane was excellent in 2006 when he headbutted in ET in the final, I was talking about Japorea where France made the worst defence of a WC ever and went out in the group stage.
 
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Pol 1. Maradona
Cal 1. Pele
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Cal? said:
Zidane was excellent in 2006 when he headbutted in ET in the final, I was talking about Japorea where France made the worst defence of a WC ever and went out in the group stage.
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Yea shit, my bad. Brainfart there.

French players are tricky. Shit in 2002 and in 2010. They're not a consistent bunch.
 
Pol 1. Maradona
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Cal? said:
Zidane was excellent in 2006 when he headbutted in ET in the final, I was talking about Japorea where France made the worst defence of a WC ever and went out in the group stage.
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Wasn't Zidane injured and only played in the 3rd game and wasn't fit at all? It was embarrassing for France, but it really wasn't Zidane's fault.
 
Balu said:
Wasn't Zidane injured and only played in the 3rd game and wasn't fit at all? It was embarrassing for France, but it really wasn't Zidane's fault.
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You're right, it was Henry who was dreadful that WC when France needed someone to step up. :p
 
Anyway, seems like Pol isn't around, anyone going to be around for a while who I can PM my next pick?

I'll be offline for quite a while after...
 
People ahead of me can PM me their next picks. I will be up another 5+ hours at least. Just make sure to make it a list as otherwise we will be stuck anyhow.

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Annahnomoss said:
People ahead of me can PM me their next picks. I will be up another 5+ hours at least. Just make sure to make it a list as otherwise we will be stuck anyhow.

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If we send you a list you can steal our later picks. ;)
 
Snow said:
Regarding the Baresi vs. Cannavaro bit. Baresi is clearly the stronger player. Also if you base it solely on World Cups. Cannavaro didn't just play in the 2006 WC's. Every WC they play in should count and then you average it out.
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AldoPaine18 said:
Agree with the last bit.
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I don't. I even mentioned when bouncing ideas we should specify which tourno version we were going for. If you "average things out" you penalise longevity. I'm fine with a one tourno wonder being better than someone who wasn't as good in any of three tournos, but not averaging three tournos. There's truckloads of players who would be shortchanged by that sort of perspective.

Thisistheone said:
Yeah Baresi was immense in that final, I just assumed he'd still be a better pick than Cannavaro since they both had brilliant tournaments but Franco obviously is the superior player. Fabio didn't do anything of note in 2002. Baresi was stronger in 1990. Averages out?
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Nope, the OP is clear, peak WC performance, not average WC performance.

And in fairness to paceme, i had Rijkaard in as a potential pick going by the logic that even though he (or his team mates) didn't do much in 1990, a Rijkaard at 70% or a Rijkaard knocked out in the groups is still better than most DM's.
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Don't want to drag this on but there really are some amazing DMs available with far superior performances, even Dutch ones.

Balu said:
I don't think a single game should be seen as prime
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I'm not sure about this. There are fluke performances you could easily see through, definitely, but there are also players with reasonable tournaments who just happened to turn up at the pivotal points. Ronaldo got the Golden Ball in 98 but to me he was better in 02. Better player throughout in 98 but in 02 come the final he just shat on Germany, literally. We know there were non-footballing issues in the 98 final, but that still is a big deal for me.

Theon said:
No one has a clue what is definitively going on, so I'm just gonna play for fun really and try and create a cool side with a general focus on world cup performances.
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I'm looking at going in that direction too, can't be arsed forever arguing this stuff in-game. The OP is crystal clear though.
 
Snow said:
Not many agreed with Cannavaro getting the golden ball at the time. Just besides that Baresi is always great. Cannavaro wasn't. Not a slight on Cannavaro as he had that excellent tournament.

Not like Zidane was shit in 2002 just because he headbutted a cnut in ET in the last game. He has good tournaments. You don't average it out mathematically. That's not possible. You just even it out in your head sort of.
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Just to clarify this, Cannavaro didn't get the Golden Ball, Zidane did. Zidane had a stunning tourno in 06 and that headbutt soiled it indeed (but the award had already been voted for). Cannavaro got Ballon d'Or, that's what people found a bit of a stretch. He basically got the wrong award.
 
Cal? said:
Zidane was excellent in 2006 when he headbutted in ET in the final, I was talking about Japorea where France made the worst defence of a WC ever and went out in the group stage.
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In fairness, he missed the first two games and played the third on one leg! If anything their Zidane-less group stage exploits in 02 and 10 made a point about how influential he was in 98 and 06.
 
My apologies guys

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Briefly scanned through earlier posts

As per the OP, it is WC prime not WC average
On the position issue, I would say this tourney is based on actual WC performances so we go by what the player has done in the WC. Doing it at club level does not guarantee replicating the same level at the WC - plenty of players failed to bring their club form to the WC even when playing in the same position within similar set-up. This is something voters might consider.
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis, 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
May I present you with a defender who was the heart and soul of a team winning the World Cup...
Also my personal favourite so extremely happy to bag him!

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Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi
 
Some great picks lately, Breitner and Scirea turn 3 makes me think Pol was righ after all with the skipping starts (not really, just moaning for the sake of it)

Cal is a fecking liability, what are you playing at man? You are not meant to pick players before I do, did no one tell you that?
 
antohan said:
Some great picks lately, Breitner and Scirea turn 3 makes me think Pol was righ after all with the skipping starts (not really, just moaning for the sake of it)

Cal is a fecking liability, what are you playing at man? You are not meant to pick players before I do, did no one tell you that?
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I don't think Pol will be too happy with me if I keep picking the same players after you do. ;)
 
Come on Theon! I already have my entire draftplan with all picks up to 12th! Happy to share and compare later :lol:
 
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