Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Ratings are so overrated (and frustrating to discuss). They are even worse than stats :lol:.
 
I don't think I have to worry much so far as my picks till now shouldn't be questioned much as to what they did in WCs. Gets tricky here on.
 
Balu said:
Ratings are so overrated (and frustrating to discuss). They are even worse than stats :lol:.
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The same goes for "best player/team" awards. They are both based on a small groups rating of the players. They are not a fact of who was the best, or how people played in general.

This is what I mean with the matches will be interesting.
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6.Pirlo
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilson Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi
 
Annahnomoss said:
Ratings on planetworldcup:
*These are not my own opinion.
BEST PLAYER RATING POINTS
#6th Ronaldinho Gaucho BRA 5 6,80#10 Rivaldo BRA 7 6,71#36 Michael Ballack GER 6 6,42#70~ Ronaldo BRA 7 6,21



The official awards usually focus on decisive moments. If a striker is generally shit all game but then scores the winning goal two-three matches then he will get the golden ball and be legendary. So will be interesting during the match-threads to see how people argue. There are a bunch of team of the tournament players who have been rather weak in their play but have just made the team win in important moments. Which of course doesn't take away how slow/Sluggish/poor passing this player displayed throughout the other 89 minutes of the match and so on.

Can a defender handle Maradona because he was named in team of the tournament for 3 upset goals - if he was otherwise shaky defensively.
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Who on earth is that? Or are we again discussing theories of how complicated things could be in Lala Land?

BTW, if a striker wins you three games scoring the decisive goal he has done his job, can't see how you could argue otherwise.
 
Balu said:
Ratings are so overrated (and frustrating to discuss). They are even worse than stats :lol:.
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This, I can see it coming "Planetfootball rated my midfielder higher than yours". "No, no, Castrol says otherwise". And my uncle is a cop.
 
Theon said:
What do you mean?
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Trying to work out how they are setting up, other than to work out who may still need a player in a position you haven't picked. I have absolutely no idea what most teams are aiming for, I'm just tracking which positions they have unfilled and what the status is with WC winners, etc. before I make my even pick.
 
antohan said:
Trying to work out how they are setting up, other than to work out who may still need a player in a position you haven't picked. I have absolutely no idea what most teams are aiming for, I'm just tracking which positions they have unfilled and what the status is with WC winners, etc. before I make my even pick.
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Oh no, I don't mean like that. I'm not doing it so that it influences my picks or anything, it was just more of a curiosity.

From what I can tell Maldini looks to be playing centre back now which surprises me. Not sure if that is the way he is going, but like I say I'm confused as to how he'll line up. Originally I thought it was Breitner central and Maldini at left back.
 
antohan said:
BTW, if a striker wins you three games scoring the decisive goal he has done his job, can't see how you could argue otherwise.
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I am sure you don't really agree with that yourself as it is completely illogical.
If a player misses every pass and scores the decisive goal he is still doing his job?
If a player gives away the ball every attack and then scores the decisive goal is he still doing his job?
If a player scores 3 own goals and just one goal forward and also misses all passes and gives away the ball all game - he is still doing his job?
If a player sleeps on the pitch for 89 minutes then wakes up and scores the decisive goal he is still doing his job?
If a player scores the decisive goals all on penalties but apart from that has been absolutely shit -he is still doing his job?

Of course scoring goals are important, but being a professional footballer is 99.9% about qualities that isn't "decisive goalscoring". There are thousands of performances where the decisive goal-scorer was the worst player on the pitch. If your "logic" was correct then a goal-scorer would only be judged by goals/decisive goals.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I am sure you don't really agree with that yourself as it is completely illogical.
If a player misses every pass and scores the decisive goal he is still doing his job?
If a player gives away the ball every attack and then scores the decisive goal is he still doing his job?
If a player scores 3 own goals and just one goal forward and also misses all passes and gives away the ball all game - he is still doing his job?
If a player sleeps on the pitch for 89 minutes then wakes up and scores the decisive goal he is still doing his job?
If a player scores the decisive goals all on penalties but apart from that has been absolutely shit -he is still doing his job?

Of course scoring goals are important, but being a professional footballer is 99.9% about qualities that isn't "decisive goalscoring". There are thousands of performances where the decisive goal-scorer was the worst player on the pitch. If your "logic" was correct then a goal-scorer would only be judged by goals/decisive goals.
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He said striker.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Read again and I am sure you will find examples where a striker who scores the decisive goal in no way has to be performing well overall in the game.
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You gave too many extreme examples. It it likely that someone is going to score 3 OGs and then a winner?

If a striker or forward has a poor but pops up in the end to score the winner(not a single goal but a decisive one), then yeah it does turn the poor performance into a good win. It is as simple as that. That's a luxury strikers enjoy over rest of the players.
 
crappycraperson said:
You gave too many extreme examples. It it likely that someone is going to score 3 OGs and then a winner?

If a striker or forward has a poor but pops up in the end to score the winner(not a single goal but a decisive one), then yeah it does turn the poor performance into a good win. It is as simple as that. That's a luxury strikers enjoy over rest of the players.
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Hilarious. A striker can score a decisive goal and still be the worst player on the pitch. It happens frequently.

EDIT: Selling in Fontaine as the best striker in the draft are we? ;)
 
paceme said:
It's more hilarious that you think it would be better to have a player complete all his passes rather than score the winning goal.
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I have never said that, that would be equally ridiculous.. One can have a 1/10 performance even if you complete all passes. You need to take in to every aspect of the game in to account and not just one. That is my entire point.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Hilarious. A striker can score a decisive goal and still be the worst player on the pitch. It happens frequently.

EDIT: Selling in Fontaine as the best player in the draft are we? ;)
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Football is about winning in the end. Biggest problem football snob have is discounting players who pop up to score goals. Oddly underrated quality. Who cares if someone did gazillions dribble to skip past 10 players if his team is still losing?
 
I really think you guys are both on extreme opposite sides in your argument when all the grey area inbetween is where football is actually played. Very rarely will a shit player with shit performances score several decisive goals in a tournament. If he does, he's still doing something right, maybe for tactical reasons or just because he has brilliant timing and movement and knows how to leave his defender behind.
 
crappycraperson said:
Football is about winning in the end. Biggest problem football snob have is discounting players who pop up to score goals. Oddly underrated quality. Who cares if someone did gazillions dribble to skip past 10 players if his team is still losing?
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Not sure who ever said that someone dribbling without creating anything is having a good performance -but I agree with you that that person is wrong.
 
Balu said:
I really think you guys are both on extreme opposite sides in your argument when all the grey area inbetween is where football is actually played. Very rarely will a shit player with shit performances score several decisive goals in a tournament. If he does, he's still doing something right, maybe for tactical reasons or just because he has brilliant timing and movement and knows how to leave his defender behind.
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Antohan said: "if a striker wins you three games scoring the decisive goal he has done his job, can't see how you could argue otherwise."

My only comment was that it is not necessarily true even if as a general rule it is. One can't say "I scored a decisive goal so I did my job". One has to look at the overall performance as well.
 
Yeah, but come on, once can be a fluke, but 3 times? That's fecking brilliant, doesn't matter how shit he looked during the game, scoring the winning goal means helping your team go through. We're talking about a worldcup tournament here with at most 7 games.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I am sure you don't really agree with that yourself as it is completely illogical.
If a player misses every pass and scores the decisive goal he is still doing his job?
If a player gives away the ball every attack and then scores the decisive goal is he still doing his job?
If a player scores 3 own goals and just one goal forward and also misses all passes and gives away the ball all game - he is still doing his job?
If a player sleeps on the pitch for 89 minutes then wakes up and scores the decisive goal he is still doing his job?
If a player scores the decisive goals all on penalties but apart from that has been absolutely shit -he is still doing his job?

Of course scoring goals are important, but being a professional footballer is 99.9% about qualities that isn't "decisive goalscoring". There are thousands of performances where the decisive goal-scorer was the worst player on the pitch. If your "logic" was correct then a goal-scorer would only be judged by goals/decisive goals.
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Anah, you are just a ridiculous-scenario-creating machine. The hypothetical scenarios you come up with don't apply to 99% of players so why not say "X is shit even if he scores important goals every now and then". Then we can agree or disagree. Much easier than rocket science and quantum physics.
 
Ffs, where's Cal and why is no one sending PMs for his picks. We're having the weirdest discussion every fecking day because we have to wait all the time :lol:. Has it ever taken so long to get the draft done?
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6.Pirlo
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilson Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi
 
Balu said:
Ffs, where's Cal and why is no one sending PMs for his picks. We're having the weirdest discussion every fecking day because we have to wait all the time :lol:. Has it ever taken so long to get the draft done?
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This. People need to start PMing more.
 
Thanks Cal, you just resolved a timing dilemma of mine. So keeper picks start now, eh?
 
crappycraperson said:
This. People need to start PMing more.
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I fully understand why no one is PMing though, the restrictions are really tough, imo and I think we all (execpt Anto probably) will have to change our picks quite often. It's not like you can send someone 3 leftbacks and be fine, you need to switch between continents/winners/years and often adjust other positions then.
 
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