FC Bayern 2015/16

What does it say on Guardiolas sweater? Does it have any meaning?
 
You guys at least have Smalling and United's defense is nowhere near the standard you need to compete in the CL anyway, so it's hardly a good argument. And how is Koscielny + Mertesacker not a big centerback pair?

There's a difference between experienced defenders who aren't that big and makeshift centerbacks who have never showed any dominance in the air. Juve aren't that big in attack, but if for example Mandzukic is fit in time it might be a problem, even more when defending set-pieces. I still remember how Ramos destroyed us at set-pieces 2 years ago for example and it wasn't that different when we beat Barca 7-0 on aggregate in 2013 and massively exploited their lack of height. Also someone like Mascherano might not be that tall, but after years of playing centerback he's still much more experienced than a centerback pair of Alaba-Kimmich at this point. And Pique is actually above 1,90, which along with Busquets, who's also close to 1,90 certainly gives Barca a bit of height. It's not comparable to a central defensive core without a single player taller than fecking 1,80.

Yes, we have Tasci on the bench, but he hasn't played football since November and no one knows if he's actually fit enough to start, especially after his concussion last week. Benatia has just started training again. It's not like those are brilliant choices either. It's quite clearly a problem that none of Boateng, Badstuber or Martinez will be available to us in both legs against Juve.
You want to compare a fully fit Arsenal side to the current Bayern side?

United's defense is fine on the grand scale if it's fit. Real or Barca don't have great defenses (Barca don't really need it). It's not the defense that's been a problem this season and it's not its fault for us getting knocked out or not challenging for the title and that's despite us lacking full backs.

Badstuber has played less than 40 games in the past 4 seasons. He doesn't count. Benatia or Tasci not being brilliant choices is irrelevant. Benatia was obviously brought in to compete for a starting CB spot and Martinez is a converted midfielder who's comparable to Jones in his reliability. I don't think I've even seen him play for Bayern.
 
What a fecking pass by Thiago for Lewandowski's second.
 
What does it say on Guardiolas sweater? Does it have any meaning?

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Guardiola wore the same shirt! We are with you. You will do it again. And the no. 28 + Badstuber on the back.
 
Guardiola wore the same shirt! We are with you. You will do it again. And the no. 28 + Badstuber on the back.

thanks, couldn't really read it because of his jacket and didn't see the players wearing that.
 
Pep Effect



Problematic to just break it down to "Pep Effect", and even if you do it's a two-edged sword. 36 shots on goal is great and all. Converting only 8,3% of of shots on goal into actual goals in a game against Darmstadt on the other hand...

As a contrast (or was it the same "Pep Effect"): The 0:0 against Leverkusen a couple of weeks ago set a new record in terms of "longest time until either team had a shot on goal" in the Bundesliga.
 
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Problematic to just break it down to "Pep Effect", and even if you do it's a two-edged sword. 36 shots on goal is great and all. Converting only 8,3% of of shots on goal into actual guals in a game against Darmstadt on the other hand...

exactly don't really like talking about him and hope this doesn't start a debate in the wrong thread but if this happened with us and Moyes and we had so many shots scoring 3 no one would look at it as an achievement but more question why we only managed to score 3.
 
The Pep with Guardiola tweets about Guardiola's Bayern experiencing the Pep Effect. God, I miss the days when we simply were 'Bayern'.
 
Scary thought that we might return to where we were before Pep took over.
 
I seem to be one of the very few people still convinced this Bayern is better side now than before Pep came.
Anyway, he was grilled about being a failure if he doesn't win the CL before he leaves Bayern at the press conference yesterday.
I thinks it's a little unfair. The expectations on him are ridiculous. I also have a feeling it's one of the reasons he's chosen City.
Although I think he there will be high expectations, he won't be weighed down with history, people constantly harassing him about how he plays, experiments with teams and constantly asking him about he CL.
 
Anyway, he was grilled about being a failure if he doesn't win the CL before he leaves Bayern at the press conference yesterday.
I thinks it's a little unfair. The expectations on him are ridiculous.
Agree with that. But it was to be expected, German football journalists are a bunch of morons.
 
I'm looking forward to calling Guardiola a lot of negative names on Saturday when I'm sat in with the Wolfsburg fans...
 
I'm looking forward to calling Guardiola a lot of negative names on Saturday when I'm sat in with the Wolfsburg fans...
A good warm-up for next season ;). Enjoy the trip.
 
Oh we will, providing OUR feckING TICKETS ARRIVE!!!! Still not even been posted yet...and we leave on Friday morning...
That sounds a bit worrying. Where did you buy them? Can't you collect them directly at the stadium or have them sent to your hotel?
 
That sounds a bit worrying. Where did you buy them? Can't you collect them directly at the stadium or have them sent to your hotel?

Went through Viagogo in the end, we've already passed on our hotel details, so should know by tomorrow what the crack is...

they have a 100% guarantee, so we will get tickets from them, and if we don't, then I'll burn down the stadium on Saturday...
 
I seem to be one of the very few people still convinced this Bayern is better side now than before Pep came.
Anyway, he was grilled about being a failure if he doesn't win the CL before he leaves Bayern at the press conference yesterday.
I thinks it's a little unfair. The expectations on him are ridiculous. I also have a feeling it's one of the reasons he's chosen City.
Although I think he there will be high expectations, he won't be weighed down with history, people constantly harassing him about how he plays, experiments with teams and constantly asking him about he CL.
Before pep. they wont everything rather convincingly. Now they have had two embarrassing defeats to their CL main rivals in his first two seasons. Given the strength of the squad in relation to all the other big teams in Europe they basically have a 1 in 3 chance of winning the CL and he hasn't managed that, and not by a distance. How are they better now than before?
 
Before pep. they wont everything rather convincingly. Now they have had two embarrassing defeats to their CL main rivals in his first two seasons. Given the strength of the squad in relation to all the other big teams in Europe they basically have a 1 in 3 chance of winning the CL and he hasn't managed that, and not by a distance. How are they better now than before?

It's tricky. There where times under Guardiola so far, usually around October and November, where we looked completely unplayable - much like we did under Heynckes in the QF and SF of the 2013 CL campaign.
Also: Just like during Heynckes record season, there where times when we obliterated teams just to barely scrape by the next week. However, smaller teams never really threaten us anymore at all. That's the one thing where we are clearly better: Dominating weak(er) clubs without them having as much as a sniff at a point.

However, in the two previous years we completely collapsed after the winter break, so we never broke the points total record we set with Heynckes. Our record against top opposition within the Bundesliga (i.e. Dortmund, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Wolfsburg) is nothing to write home about, either. We got horribly outcoached in some of these encounters. That's not even taking the CL-humiliations into account.

There's this lingering feeling in my heart that we didn't manage to scale the heights this squad could have uner Guardiola, especially in the 2nd half of the past 2 seasons. Injuries played a part, but they can't be an excuse for the horrid football we often played from february to may. Pep introduced more fluidity in terms of formation, but the approach to the game stays the same. Executing a match plan like we did against Barca in 2013 (abandoning our desire to dominate possession, instead waiting for them to cross into our half, where we'd smother them with superior physicality and pressing to launch counter attacks) seems unthinkable. So while our formations are more variable then ever, our tactics remain static enough for other teams to reliably exploit our (few) weak points.
 
It's tricky. There where times under Guardiola so far, usually around October and November, where we looked completely unplayable - much like we did under Heynckes in the QF and SF of the 2013 CL campaign.
Also: Just like during Heynckes record season, there where times when we obliterated teams just to barely scrape by the next week. However, smaller teams never really threaten us anymore at all. That's the one thing where we are clearly better: Dominating weak(er) clubs without them having as much as a sniff at a point.

However, in the two previous years we completely collapsed after the winter break, so we never broke the points total record we set with Heynckes. Our record against top opposition within the Bundesliga (i.e. Dortmund, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Wolfsburg) is nothing to write home about, either. We got horribly outcoached in some of these encounters. That's not even taking the CL-humiliations into account.

There's this lingering feeling in my heart that we didn't manage to scale the heights this squad could have uner Guardiola, especially in the 2nd half of the past 2 seasons. Injuries played a part, but they can't be an excuse for the horrid football we often played from february to may. Pep introduced more fluidity in terms of formation, but the approach to the game stays the same. Executing a match plan like we did against Barca in 2013 (abandoning our desire to dominate possession, instead waiting for them to cross into our half, where we'd smother them with superior physicality and pressing to launch counter attacks) seems unthinkable. So while our formations are more variable then ever, our tactics remain static enough for other teams to reliably exploit our (few) weak points.
Its much more important to beat the big teams than the small ones. So Bayern cant have become better, don't see what makes it all that tricky. For a Bayern team that faces no competition domestically, the CL is predictably where the buck stops and we all know what has transpired.

Also its not like Bayern struggled all that much vs small sides, the vast majority got spankings. It's obvious that pep's lack of tactical flexibility has cost Bayern greatly.
 
A slave to his philosophy.

Complete horseshit, really.

I won't pretend to watch Bayern enough to compare them pre and post Pep, but I've seen enough to have noticed his tactical flexibility. His team's style of play is nowhere near the same as Barcelona's. He's been a lot more flexible than I expected.
 
Complete horseshit, really.

I won't pretend to watch Bayern enough to compare them pre and post Pep, but I've seen enough to have noticed his tactical flexibility. His team's style of play is nowhere near the same as Barcelona's. He's been a lot more flexible than I expected.

Seconded. It's a lazy critique.
 
Incredibly happy with the performance yesterday, even more happy to see Ribéry back playing for us.

I'm very glad, and proud of Pep, that he didn't take his usual self-paralysing/overcautious away game approach. Very proud he stuck with all of Robben, Costa, Müller and Lewandowski. Very proud how we took the game to Juve in their own stadium. Impressive, and a joy to watch.
Thiago had a huge game, as had Lahm. Pep is simply awesome. :drool:
 
Incredibly happy with the performance yesterday, even more happy to see Ribéry back playing for us.

I'm very glad, and proud of Pep, that he didn't take his usual self-paralysing/overcautious away game approach. Very proud he stuck with all of Robben, Costa, Müller and Lewandowski. Very proud how we took the game to Juve in their own stadium. Impressive, and a joy to watch.
Thiago had a huge game, as had Lahm. Pep is simply awesome. :drool:

It was the first time in the knockout stages he did not castrate the offense for the first match by leaving out either Müller or the striker or one of two wingers and it was rewarded with the away goals. Even in the away matches in which he focused on the midfield we always had minutes in which we lost the focus or in which then mistakes for a goal happened - and that then meant that we lost the match. The only away goal in the knockout stages from any winger or striker in his time at Bayern was the one from Müller against Arsenal two years ago - and that happened when he and Pizarro both were substituted into the match.
 
Incredibly happy with the performance yesterday, even more happy to see Ribéry back playing for us.

I'm very glad, and proud of Pep, that he didn't take his usual self-paralysing/overcautious away game approach. Very proud he stuck with all of Robben, Costa, Müller and Lewandowski. Very proud how we took the game to Juve in their own stadium. Impressive, and a joy to watch.
Thiago had a huge game, as had Lahm. Pep is simply awesome. :drool:

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I changed over quite early to watch the match cause the Barca Arsenal match was pretty shite. You guys were incredible in the first half. Thiago is an unbelievable player.
Unfortunately Juve were just waiting for something to happen and it did.
 
Poor Kimmich. Made the crucial mistake before the 1:2 and showed his lack of CB-experience when Juve scored the 2:2 (altough I'm more angry with Lahm drifting aimlessly around, allowing Morata to play an accurate ball into the box in the first place).
Apart from these blips and a couple of overly risky passes that ended up being swallowed by the kraken that is Pogba he continues to show huge promise.
 
The gulf in quality between the two times while Bayern was playing in Playstation mode was pretty dramatic. But it's not the first time we have seen this sort of lapse in concentration from them, a few City and Arsenal matches come to mind.


Still, my money is on them winning big in the return match. The Barca Bayern finale needs to happen.
 
Poor Kimmich. Made the crucial mistake before the 1:2 and showed his lack of CB-experience when Juve scored the 2:2 (altough I'm more angry with Lahm drifting aimlessly around, allowing Morata to play an accurate ball into the box in the first place).
Apart from these blips and a couple of overly risky passes that ended up being swallowed by the kraken that is Pogba he continues to show huge promise.
AFAIS, no one blamed him, no one with a hint of knowledge of football, that is. Most obvious mistakes of defenders happen because some other guy fecked up before him, No guarantee the likes of Badstuber or Boateng might have been duped by Pogba or Dybala once in 90min of match, these are no public school boys. What that lad is pulling off week after week is simply amazing. So gifted, so composed. I'll give him 2 years max to be a starter for germany.
 
They need to get Ribery up to speed if they're planning on winning the CL. While Juve found it impossible to get the ball of them in the first 60 mins Barca will not, Ribery's ability on the ball and overall ball retention is vital to them being able to move it around under pressure, Costa just wont cut it if that rematch was to take place.
 
They need to get Ribery up to speed if they're planning on winning the CL. While Juve found it impossible to get the ball of them in the first 60 mins, Barca will not. Ribery's ability on the ball and overall ball retention is vital to them being able to move it around under pressure, Costa just wont cut it if that rematch was to take place.
 
Read today in Polish press that you guys were in for Kamil Glik from Torino (CB, Polish international) a couple of days before the window ended, after Boateng got injured. Not sure why but it didn't obviously go through and you went for Tasci. Kamil is a very solid CB but he wouldn't play ahead of your starting XI CBs so I'm happy it didn't work out as he's cemented his place at Torino. He's a fan of yours as well.