Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

Spammy said:
Does Robben count as a left winger? He's a left sided winger, and he's a much better footballer than Bale.
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does his best stuff on the right really.

GlastonSpur said:
To be honest, no, I don't understand what you mean.

Effectively you are saying that there are several players who would be in a World XI, but who are still not "special". This strikes me as elevating the word "special" to such heights that words start to lose all meaning.

However, feel free to explain further if you wish.
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I agree, how isn't bale special? if he's not the who is?

Any player around 21 or younger putting in performances like that deserve to be recognised as a bit special.

I have a sneaky feeling if Bale was doing this for a bigger club than spurs he'd be labled special and a whole lot more.

Anyway Glastonspur fret not, you have a quality player in Bale and your club is looking good.
 
GlastonSpur said:
To be honest, no, I don't understand what you mean.

Effectively you are saying that there are several players who would be in a World XI, but who are still not "special". This strikes me as elevating the word "special" to such heights that words start to lose all meaning.

However, feel free to explain further if you wish.
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Well, yes, obviously. And yet on the other hand there are players who wouldn't get in the World XI who I would call special. Highlights the pointless of a World XI, but that's another thing.

Bale's a devastating player but does he have an exceptional level of skill? Does he have an exceptional understanding of the game?

I don't think so. Likewise with the other two. Exceptional physically but you need one of the others to go along with that.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Well, it's a "criminal use" that has seen Spurs finish in the top 4, so maybe it's not been so terrible as all that..
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It got you 4-1 down at the San Siro in 14 minutes. Stop acting like you dont have a clue what I mean.

GlastonSpur said:
However, it's the arrival of VdV that has now really broadened out the options at Spurs in terms of playing with just one recognised striker up front ....
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He did no such thing. If anything he just forced your manager's hand. Your manager is largely allergic to playing anything that isn't 4-4-2. Even before he moved to your club.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
...I agree, how isn't bale special? if he's not the who is?
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The 3 shorties at Barcelona and the arrogant dude at Real for example....

FranklyVulgar said:
Any player around 21 or younger putting in performances like that deserve to be recognised as a bit special.
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Basically on the road to becoming special. Thanks recycling other peoples statements.

FranklyVulgar said:
I have a sneaky feeling if Bale was doing this for a bigger club than spurs he'd be labled special and a whole lot more.
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So? That wouldn't make him special either.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It got you 4-1 down at the San Siro in 14 minutes. Stop acting like you dont have a clue what I mean.

He did no such thing. If anything he just forced your manager's hand. Your manager is largely allergic to playing anything that isn't 4-4-2. Even before he moved to your club.
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Spurs didn't play 4-4-2 against Inter - we started with a lone striker (Crouch), so your point about Harry's "criminal use" of 4-4-2 is entirely irrelevant in this instance. In any case, when a team is down to 10 men after 10 mins, all debate about formations tends to be largely academic.

And VdV's arrival certainly has boosted our options for playing with a 5-man midfield - why do else do you think we played this way against Villa at home (for example), when in all previous games against them we've always played with 2 up top? Ditto away to Fulham. Both being our last two league matches.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Spurs didn't play 4-4-2 against Inter - we started with a lone striker (Crouch), so your point about Harry's "criminal use" of 4-4-2 is entirely irrelevant in this instance. just e cbasue Rooney wants out?
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Yet its relevant in many others. As I said earlier. Quit pretending you have no clue what I meant.

GlastonSpur said:
And VdV's arrival certainly has boosted our options for playing with a 5-man midfield - why do else do you think we played this way against Villa at home (for example), when in all previous games against them we've always played with 2 up top? Ditto away to Fulham. Both being our last two league matches.
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Because Harry no longer has a choice. It can't be that hard to accept or understand. You've had the midfield personnel to play 4-5-1 for a long while. The only difference now is you have another attacking mdfielder who is classier than any of your forwards which has forced Harry to abandon his preferred 4-4-2.

Also if Bale hadn't proven to be the left winger he is now, you'd still be playing 4-4-2 in big games. For Bale would be at left back and RVDV or Modric would be on the left to accommodate Harry's beloved 2 man forwardline.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Yet its relevant in many others. As I said earlier. Quit pretending you have no clue what I meant.

Because Harry no longer has a choice. It can't be that hard to accept or understand. You've had the midfield personnel to play 4-5-1 for a long while. The only difference now is you have another attacking mdfielder who is classier than any of your forwards which has forced Harry to abandon his preferred 4-4-2.

Also if Bale hadn't proven to be the left winger he is now, you'd still be playing 4-4-2 in big games. For Bale would be at left back and RVDV or Modric would be on the left to accommodate Harry's beloved 2 man forwardline.
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I've pointed out that Spurs finished 4th playing mainly 4-4-2 - this alone makes your mention of Harry's "criminal use" of 4-4-2 way off beam.

Yes, we've had the personnel to play 4-5-1 for a while now, and sometimes Harry has played this way - just as we started that way last night even without VdV being available.

The point is that we've played this way more often since VdV has arrived since he's better suited to playing in a free role in behind the striker than any other Spurs midfielder, Modric included, and a 5-man midfield allows wider scope for both VdV and Modric to play in the same starting XI.

Nor is it the case that if Bale was at LB we wouldn't ever play 4-5-1. Modric has played in LM many times for Spurs, and Huddlestone + Jenas/Sandro/Palacios playing behind VdV, with Lennon as RW, is a perfectly feasible midfield line-up.

You also forget that Defoe has been injured for a while now. When he returns it's certainly possible that we'll play 4-4-2 in many games again, since both Modric and VdV can play both anywhere across the midfield, left, centre or right.
 
Brwned said:
He's incredibly effective but he's not special.

Cole's the best left back in the world but he's not special. Maicon's the best right back in the world but he's not special.

You understand what I mean, surely?
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So only midfielders and attackers can be special?

Really odd definition.

Vidic at his best is A brick wall that let's nothing pass. He's been better than rooney these las four years. But Im sure you think rooney special.
 
he's shite defensively. Or does that not matter anymore?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
So only midfielders and attackers can be special?

Really odd definition.

Vidic at his best is A brick wall that let's nothing pass. He's been better than rooney these las four years. But Im sure you think rooney special.
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You do realise you completely made that definition up yourself, right?!

Rio's a special defender.
 
cw1984 said:
He is currently. He'll improve with age though.
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If he's playing in midfield, it wouldn't matter as much as it would if he were a left-back, no?

I mean, no one goes around complaining about Messi's defensive qualities.
 
Bale's a bit overhyped for me after that hat trick. Before that, a lot of people on here would agree Nani is the better winger. Yet now Bale is supposedly worth £30m and Nani is linked in £15m moves to Serie A? Nah.

I'd also say that Coutinho guy looked the better player on the night and wouldn't be surprised if he became a comfortably better player than Bale. Also this "best left sided player" nonsense, if Robben doesn't count because he plays on the right, then Ronaldo has been playing on the left this season, so nuff said really.
 
Hitchcocker said:
If he's playing in midfield, it wouldn't matter as much as it would if he were a left-back, no?

I mean, no one goes around complaining about Messi's defensive qualities.
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I think Redknapp see's him as a left back in the long term.

Ekeke said:
Only if he plays there a lot. He's not going to defend much better if he continues to play in midfield the next 2 seasons.
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He plays there from time to time. Games would make him better but a lot of it will come with age too.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Messi hardly ever plays on the left wing.

I really wonder about Bale, i mean, he could do a job on the right. He has such a good left foot that he could probably do a sort of Adam Johnson turn there.

He can do a turn at left back but really he's a left winger for me and a very good one. Could have been a great replacement for Giggs.
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Thought it was worth pointing out that he played on the the right today for half an hour and was very ineffectual. It stops him from using his biggest weapon - going on the outside with pure pace and power. He doesn't have the variety of play to play the position, I feel. Playing from the right gives him more options but he doesn't have a clue how to take advantage of it. He's a more effective, left-footed version of Valencia.

Has no magic. £40m's ludicrous.
 
Might be because he played 90 min against Inter and was tired the last spell of the game today so not really the best time to judge him. Wait a couple of games if he plays right wing again.
 
AttackingFlair said:
Bale's a bit overhyped for me after that hat trick. Before that, a lot of people on here would agree Nani is the better winger. Yet now Bale is supposedly worth £30m and Nani is linked in £15m moves to Serie A? Nah.

I'd also say that Coutinho guy looked the better player on the night and wouldn't be surprised if he became a comfortably better player than Bale. Also this "best left sided player" nonsense, if Robben doesn't count because he plays on the right, then Ronaldo has been playing on the left this season, so nuff said really.
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:wenger::wenger:

I never heard this...Surely not. Nani, although not my type of player traditionally, is the best young prospect we have!!
 
Hes easily the best player of his type in the premier league without question, when you consider what the likes of Adam Johnson went for then 30 million would seem a far price when considering the players quality first and foremost, his age, the years of service you'll get from him, his resale value will be sky high for at least the next 7 years and fact is the club hes at dont want to lose him.

Take that all into account then its about fair id say, 30 million for what 14 years service of that quality? you could argue its a snip, 21 years of age and hes already that good.
 
He's definitely in the top three, along with Malouda and an in-form/injury free Robben. Out of those three left sided players I'd take Bale, given his age, potential and versatility. Easily worth £30m in the current market. He is also terrifically well rounded: quick, strong, can tackle, can cross, can beat defenders and scores goals.
 
If we buy him-- We would have one of the most potent strikeforce in the World
Imagine a front 4 of Bale- Rooney--Berbatov-Nani
Or if we want to play only three
Bale - Rooney-- Nani-
and we would be better in freekicks....
I have a feeling we are going for him this January if Spurs are knocked out in Europe
 
FreakyJim said:
I think Julio Cesar was to blame. He was virtually asleep and just stood there. The first one was laughable, he could've easily saved it if he'd made any effort.
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Not really mate, Bale was class against Inter and pretty much got them a respectable scoreline on his own, considering how their night went. 2 great solo goals and a lovely finish for the second. You could see their players trying to give him more and more of the ball at one point and he was carving through the European champions, a team once 4-0 up like a hot knife through butter. Doing that at the San Siro is special no matter what spin is put on it. :D

Cessar had a look on his face after second the like David James had after that Ronaldo free kick, kind of a cheeky smile but more so a "WTF" look, what could I do etc.

AttackingFlair said:
Bale's a bit overhyped for me after that hat trick. Before that, a lot of people on here would agree Nani is the better winger. Yet now Bale is supposedly worth £30m and Nani is linked in £15m moves to Serie A? Nah.
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Myself I'd much rather have Nani over Bale and ideally wouldn't want us pushing Nani/Valencia all over the place IF we somehow ever did bid and get him but there's no doubt he's been doing well for a while now, Inter game was just taking it off the scale. Every game even when not playing so well he seems to be involved doing runs, crossing, free kicks or shooting and he's not long turned 21. Don't reckon he's any more hyped than some of the foreign potentials in the papers like Aguero, Silva et al, yet he's certainly up there in terms of quality IMO.
 
Bale can't play on the right, he's more effective on the left, Brwned described him pretty well likewise Adam Johnson isn't great on the left but fantastic at cutting in from the right. Both left footed but different sort of players.. someone like Robben is the perfect fusion of them both as he can play just as well on either flank, although he does prefer the right.
 
The_Midfielder said:
If we buy him-- We would have one of the most potent strikeforce in the World
Imagine a front 4 of Bale- Rooney--Berbatov-Nani
Or if we want to play only three
Bale - Rooney-- Nani-
and we would be better in freekicks....
I have a feeling we are going for him this January if Spurs are knocked out in Europe
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Spurs is fighting for a top 4 spot, no way would they sell one of their star players in January. I am not even sure they will sell at all
 
The_Midfielder said:
If we buy him-- We would have one of the most potent strikeforce in the World
Imagine a front 4 of Bale- Rooney--Berbatov-Nani
Or if we want to play only three
Bale - Rooney-- Nani-
and we would be better in freekicks....
I have a feeling we are going for him this January if Spurs are knocked out in Europe
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I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
 
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