You people are still spouting this. Because Barca appointed Pep and he was successful, we shout appoint Giggs.
Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?
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Actually that was because they noticed his excellent knowledge of the game and good coaching ability
With Giggs it never about whether he deserves it or not if base purely on his managerial credentials, it's always about whether he is worthy of the "wild card" entry or not (for that I think he might be worthy) It's more or less the same thing as Guardiola or Zidane when they first managed Barca/Real.
Difference is, we are in very bad shape now and perhaps it's not wise to take any risk at all and to pull a wild card on him. Hence I prefer Mourinho, easily.
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Nah, it's all because of romanticism and the United Way and stuff.
You look for quality before you look for longevity. What if we employ Giggs, give him a 10 year contract and he turns out to be shite?
No problem...
It's not a shite way of looking at it, but you can't engineer long term. Long term is the fruit of matching ambitions, when the ambition of the manager matches the ambition of the club you will see long termism, that's what we are witnessing at Atletico, Simeone wants to be in Spain and compete for everything and the club is glad that he competes for everything.
So what I'm saying is that while Guardiola is a big no, because he has no intention of settling, you can't generalize that train of thoughts because most managers will stay in a club where they are successful and have enough money to achieve everything.
In the gym this morning there was a City full kit wanker proudly talking about his "local team getting Pep".
I live in Scotland.
No sure why people are writing off Wenger to challenge Pep during the next three years. With a good striker, the gunners would be running away with the league - although it seems like we've been saying that for 5 years.
For me a shite way is basing your strategy on things you can't engineer or guarantee. I agree with everything else, though.
Pep is no doubt a brilliant manager but money doesn't buy you Messi. Another Xavi and Iniesta coming along at City is not impossible but highly unlikely. People saying he left Barca in a "great" state need to remember that they wouldn't be where they are without buying Suarez and Neymar. City will have to contend with Barca and Madrid to sign top talents and those clubs will always be more desirable just because of location.
He's taken an unbelievable Bayern side who'd just won the treble and failed to win the Champions League. Yes they have suffered injuries at bad times and other unfortunate situations but they still had a squad to be competitive. He's won the League every year in Germany but his time there coincided with Dortmund going through a lull and losing some of their best talents (a couple of those to Pep's team).
The Premier League is very competitive because none of our top sides are anywhere near as strong as Bayern, Barca and Madrid. City will have to replace Aguero, Silva, Yaya, Kompany in coming years. Navas, their full backs and other positions aren't exactly up to scratch either. That's a lot more work than he's had at any club so far. I'm interested to see how it goes for him to be honest and won't rule out that he can turn them into a top top European side, however logic suggests that he can't simply walk in there and do what he did with Barca straight away. Barca had 3 of the 4 best players on the planet and a squad who were practically adapted to possession football.
Contrary to popular believe we are 3 or 4 top signings away from being a very good squad ourselves assuming we can keep hold of DDG. For all the doom and gloom around our academy we currently have Pereira and Janujaz who have the talent to make the step up with the right situation and attitude. Shaw will return, hopefully Depay can start to show his worth. Again, like City, we aren't certain of success or failure at this point and while they are, maybe, better set than us currently it's much less clear cut than people think.
On our next manager I have no clue but it's about time we found ourselves on the field again. We need a system to suit the players not the other way around IMO. Funnily enough I reckon our squad is quite suited to Klopp but that ship has sailed. Jose can do one as far as I'm concerned. Someone who will simply take the shackles off and allow our players to play with some confidence would be lovely.
He's taken an unbelievable Bayern side who'd just won the treble and failed to win the Champions League. Yes they have suffered injuries at bad times and other unfortunate situations but they still had a squad to be competitive. He's won the League every year in Germany but his time there coincided with Dortmund going through a lull and losing some of their best talents (a couple of those to Pep's team).
The Premier League is very competitive because none of our top sides are anywhere near as strong as Bayern, Barca and Madrid. City will have to replace Aguero, Silva, Yaya, Kompany in coming years. Navas, their full backs and other positions aren't exactly up to scratch either. That's a lot more work than he's had at any club so far. I'm interested to see how it goes for him to be honest and won't rule out that he can turn them into a top top European side, however logic suggests that he can't simply walk in there and do what he did with Barca straight away. Barca had 3 of the 4 best players on the planet and a squad who were practically adapted to possession football.
Contrary to popular believe we are 3 or 4 top signings away from being a very good squad ourselves assuming we can keep hold of DDG. For all the doom and gloom around our academy we currently have Pereira and Janujaz who have the talent to make the step up with the right situation and attitude. Shaw will return, hopefully Depay can start to show his worth. Again, like City, we aren't certain of success or failure at this point and while they are, maybe, better set than us currently it's much less clear cut than people think.
On our next manager I have no clue but it's about time we found ourselves on the field again. We need a system to suit the players not the other way around IMO. Funnily enough I reckon our squad is quite suited to Klopp but that ship has sailed. Jose can do one as far as I'm concerned. Someone who will simply take the shackles off and allow our players to play with some confidence would be lovely.
We need massive changes at every level of the club. The frightening thing is the management, which needs to be changed first, are too deluded to make any changes. We are fast approaching the Liverpool stage of 'next year will be our year'.
Everyone knows it, except maybe our board.
What it should hopefully mean for us is that the board has a clear and concise and achievable plan in order to get us back into the top 4 and then consolidate the position and attack for titles.
We need to be using the next few months to scout a lot of players to make instant impact to our first team and every facet of the game.
We need to be using the next few months to scout a lot of players to make instant impact to our first team and every facet of the game.
Would you give the job to Henry after Wenger?
Pep wasn't the first choice at time, he was appointed because, from my understanding, he was close to Barca 's president/other candidates refused the job.
United' shoehorning Giggs into this job. It's not the same.
Essentially my view. they are already ahead with an inferior coach. Things could get really bad if we miss out on top 4 and fail to get quality players in.
Even after he was appointed some board members openly disagreed. They had gone through a list of managers before appointing him.
I'm obviously not allowed to write that as it just showed up.
i think City is currently the most "Pep-like" top team in the league already. As he will be granted more influence in transfers as he was at Bayern and given their financial power, they will be able to play his style quite quickly. Their chances of winning the league will improve quite a bit i guess.
The midfield and defense will require an overhaul. However the attack is there.
He hid an affair for 8 years maybe he is hiding an amazing coaching ability. There again.
Interesting read:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35462919
LVG's dull brand of football.
MCFC move for Guardilola.
LFC get Klopp.
Bayern get Ancelotti.
And we ... err ... dither.
So frustrating.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35462919
LVG's dull brand of football.
MCFC move for Guardilola.
LFC get Klopp.
Bayern get Ancelotti.
And we ... err ... dither.
So frustrating.
I still don't understand how anybody can take Giigs seriously.
He has been ever present during the Moyes era and LVG era.
He is free to make his own recommendations and given LVG has no idea how to solve our issues, I'm sure he'd listen.
Yet, Giggs is heralded as a potential manager of MUFC. A job which was too big for Moyes (who was an experienced manager) and too difficult for LVG (who has won many trophies previously).
I think if I threw my name into the hat, I'd be in with a chance of getting an interview for the Manager's job. NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE REQUIRED.
He has been ever present during the Moyes era and LVG era.
He is free to make his own recommendations and given LVG has no idea how to solve our issues, I'm sure he'd listen.
Yet, Giggs is heralded as a potential manager of MUFC. A job which was too big for Moyes (who was an experienced manager) and too difficult for LVG (who has won many trophies previously).
I think if I threw my name into the hat, I'd be in with a chance of getting an interview for the Manager's job. NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE REQUIRED.
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Thought about this earlier. You have a point, of course, in the sense that there isn't an obvious candidate who'd fit the bill like a dream. But a DOF doesn't have to be a genius (he doesn't even need a silver wand). He needs to be football savvy and it wouldn't hurt if he was a United man.
Someone like Gary Neville strikes me as a good candidate for such a job. Would he want it? Dunno – maybe. Perhaps his Valencia stint will put him off actual, hands-on management.
That we won't be signing Pep this summer.
Not sure why you would quote my post and talk about Giggs.... in a thread about Pep....
God it's grim in here.
Calm down
Calm down
Exactly! As United's Mayfair office is about a 15 - 20 min walk from my office - I reckon I'll leave my cv too
Bloody crazy stuff. Giggs should not be anywhere near the list of potential managers - because he hasn't been a manager of anything, and especially us in our situation and the league getting more and more competitive. It's total madness. I just wish Ryan would understand this . At the moment, all this talk of him is just holding us back.Man City supporter?
I remember when we were getting rid of Moyes MCFC supporters were pleading with us, not to sack him.
On the contrary.
I want him to attack Guardiola. I don't want any pussy-footing around and let him go for the jugular.
As far as I'm concerned this is all out war and I don't want our manager or players to give MCFC an inch.
Right now, it looks like they are getting ready to walk all over us and we need someone who is going to put up a fight and go toe to toe with MCFC and Guardiola. LVG just doesn't have the firepower to do this.
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But Pep spent the latter part of his playing career and the early part of his management career learning as much as he can from different sources about all facets of football.
He played under a genius at Barca in Cruyff and he could have sat on his ass and thought that that experience would serve him well in his coaching career but he moved around the footballing world (nearly joined United IIRC to pick Ferguson's brains) and picked up experience of different methods and cultures to add to his CV.
Then he returned to his spiritual home and earned his stripes as a coach and made such an impression on the king makers at the club that they chose him over Mourinho, Pellegrini and other experienced and successful Managers.
Does that willingness to learn the world of football and people Management sound like the path Giggs has taken?
Not for me, Jeff.
What in the actual feck are you smoking? Wasn't Giggs a product of our youth academy? Has he not spent a good later part of his career on coaching and management. How many years has he been at our club? Does he not know how our academy functions? Has he never coached or mentored other talents coming through our academy? Has he not been mentored by the greatest manager in our league? Jesus christ, wtf are you guys smoking?
I've yet to see his excellent coaching ability being demonstrated anywhere... so he is not similar in anyway to Guardiola
Compete on the pitch, sure. I don't even care about the usual mind games stuff. But Mourinho takes it too far. I don't want him accusing City players of drug abuse or poking at people's eyes. He needs to cut out the kind of nonsense that dominated the headlines at Chelsea this season, too.
what Pep being at City means for us ? who knows, we'll find out next season
I do gather Bayern are happier at the prospect of next season under Ancelotti than with Pep....
he's taken over a successful outfit from Rijkaard at Barca, then Heynckes at Muenchen, and now a successful outfit
from the Chilean geyser..... see what he does with all that gold to spend.....they obviously expect him to deliver the UCL....
I guess we'll also know more by the players he can recruit, especially as he has former Barca colleagues in high
ranking positions at Council House.....
I do gather Bayern are happier at the prospect of next season under Ancelotti than with Pep....
he's taken over a successful outfit from Rijkaard at Barca, then Heynckes at Muenchen, and now a successful outfit
from the Chilean geyser..... see what he does with all that gold to spend.....they obviously expect him to deliver the UCL....
I guess we'll also know more by the players he can recruit, especially as he has former Barca colleagues in high
ranking positions at Council House.....
Not exactly true
Unless the board sort something out rapidly, this could put United firmly in their place, second place in Manchester. I'm full of despair at the moment. Pep obviously isn't up for a challenge otherwise he'd take over the reins at our place. Yet again our board are lacking, is it Woodward? Adidas moaning, the Glazers talking of cuts, the football is sterile and bland - surely something positive should happen? If not, I fear us doing a Liverpool............0-0 at home to Stoke tonight anyone? Can't wait to get to OT..........
Talking about press conferences. LvG is far too polite about oppostion managers, teams etc. SAF would say something nice about the oppostion, then warn the ref to watch their antics, putting doubts in the refs head even before the game started. If SAF didn't like a manager he wouldn't pussy foot about. We have been far too nice. Jose would be box office, good and bad. It would keep us in the public eye and make sure Pep doesn't get all the attention. The press will be swarming round him like bees round a honeypot.
All LvG moans about is injuries. SAF knew exactly what to gripe about and made sure it was to United's advantage.
If we decide that he's had a ready made team that required no work at Barcelona and has the same at City then has anyone really ever had tough job in football?
Speak for yourself. While I'm excited to see what Ancelotti has to offer, I would have loved anonther year with Pep.