Guillermo Varela

100% agree with people saying give him a game because the season is gone now, we need to use the rest of the season to bed people in and try new things, there is no point persisting with players like Young, Valencia and Cleverly when its obvious they are not going to be integral parts of the squad going forward. Give players like Januzaj and Varela games and make next season for them that little bit easier.

Januzaj i know has already played alot of games and i think its been good giving him 4 or 5 games away from the first team because its alot to keep playing all those matches, but now lets bring him back in and stick Varela on as a sub at least a couple of times too.
 
Rozay said:
He's an excellent prospect, and bar a couple of early games, he has impressed every time. Looks a first team player to me. Given that he was actually signed for about £2.5m by all accounts, I don't think we should worry about him nit being given a chance at some point.

My concern was that we would fast track Janko ahead of him on the basis of him being a better athlete. I still wouldn't rule that out tbh, the bosses seem to be doing a lot of work with him and rate him highly it appears.
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Janko is a beast, but is he faster than Varela? I don't think a fullbacks needs to be a powerhouse as that sometimes limits agility. Varela also looks to be very sound technically and not just a get it to the byline and cross type of fullback.
 
It would make so much sense. We need another right back in the squad. Rather than going out and buying one, give this guy some appearances when Rafael needs a rest/is injured. Then hopefully by the start of next season, we'll have a young talent who is hopefully a bit more settled down and experienced with the pressures of the first team.

I think Coleman is a terrific right back, but if we were to spend £20m+ on him I'd be annoyed. We have such clear problems that aren't at right back. Rafael is brilliant, his only downside for me is the niggling injuries he tends to pick up. Rafael + Varela as our right back options just makes sense, so we should give him a chance this season to see if he can cut the mustard.
 
Rossa said:
Janko is a beast, but is he faster than Varela? I don't think a fullbacks needs to be a powerhouse as that sometimes limits agility. Varela also looks to be very sound technically and not just a get it to the byline and cross type of fullback.
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Yeah hes a lot faster than him not as good on the ball though. Varela technique is very good and hes really tenacious as well
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Has he returned to Manchester and is he settled now?
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MUJAC's post on Tuesday:

Mr. MUJAC said:
Firstly, his opening few games were ok. Just that.

He was regularly caught out of position and I had doubts about him defensively…although going forward he looked very good.

As he got used to the English game, our tactics, other players etc he started to look much better defensively and seemed to be a very good prospect. He played nine competitive games leading up to Christmas and was quite consistent both in defence and in attack.

Then he went home to deal with his family situation and has only recently returned.

Like most foreign lads it takes a little while to settle (or resettle) so if he regains some of the form he had before the break the coaching staff may well try him out towards the back end of the season.

Certainly one to watch.
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Guess it's hard to tell/say if he's settled now given what's gone on with his family recently but it sounds good.
 
jb8521 said:
Yeah hes a lot faster than him not as good on the ball though. Varela technique is very good and hes really tenacious as well
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Well, Varela seems very fast, so Janko must be Richards at his prime or something then... I haven't seen enough of them, but fullbacks tend to face quick and agile wingers/wide players, and thus they need not be built like tanks, but rather they need to be quick and agile - Smalling seems to defy that in defence though.
 
Rossa said:
Well, Varela seems very fast, so Janko must be Richards at his prime or something then... I haven't seen enough of them, but fullbacks tend to face quick and agile wingers/wide players, and thus they need not be built like tanks, but rather they need to be quick and agile - Smalling seems to defy that in defence though.
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Dont get me wrong Varela has plenty of pace but Janko is absolutely rapid and his build helps him too as his positioning isnt great which is understandable given his age
 
Any chance of him getting a go in the league towards the end?
 
Moyes mentioned him after one of the recent games when speaking about the defensive injuries - he said something like that they had looked at having him on the bench but even he was injured. Hopefully that means he's at least on the radar, though I guess if we get some fit defenders (preposterous idea I know) then probably not.
 
I predict this kid will take the RB position from Rafael in the next 2-3 seasons. Provided Moyes gives him the chance. It'll take one long injury lay off from Rafael for Varela to slip in and make that position his. He's more mature on the ball than both Rafael and Fabio were at the same age. Reminds me of Hienze. Fearless. I dont think he'll have problems switching to the first team proper.
 
Loublaze said:
I predict this kid will take the RB position from Rafael in the next 2-3 seasons. Provided Moyes gives him the chance. It'll take one long injury lay off from Rafael for Varela to slip in and make that position his. He's more mature on the ball than both Rafael and Fabio were at the same age. Reminds me of Hienze. Fearless. I dont think he'll have problems switching to the first team proper.
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That's a big contradiction isn't it?
 
KM said:
That's a big contradiction isn't it?
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Sorry, what contradiction exactly? I think he's more mature than the twins because he's less prone to the rash challenges, and similar to Hienze in his fearlessness on the pitch. A natural.
 
Loublaze said:
Sorry, what contradiction exactly? I think he's more mature than the twins because he's less prone to the rash challenges, and similar to Hienze in his fearlessness on the pitch. A natural.
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I think we remember a different Heinze then. He was very rash and was no where as good on the ball as Rafael was. He had one very good season but was then shown up by Patrice.
 
Heinze was a solid fullback. He wasn't as technical as Rafael and Evra was but he was much better defensively. What ruined Heinze was his injuries, attitude (nation and money come ahead of the club) and the fact that SAF prefered attacking full backs as opposed to defensive ones.
 
KM said:
I think we remember a different Heinze then. He was very rash and was no where as good on the ball as Rafael was. He had one very good season but was then shown up by Patrice.
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devilish said:
Heinze was a solid fullback. He wasn't as technical as Rafael and Evra was but he was much better defensively. What ruined Heinze was his injuries, attitude (nation and money come ahead of the club) and the fact that SAF prefered attacking full backs as opposed to defensive ones.
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What devilish said. Hienze adapted to United very quickly. Scored on his debut and looked like he'd been a premiership player for years. He became a fan favorite very, very quickly and won player of the month a few times and even got voted player of the season 2004-5 by United fans. I don't think you remember him too well...but like Devilish said, Fergie prefered Evra's attacking prowess and Hienze was not going to play second fiddle. The final straw was when he pushed for a move to Liverpool. I was really comparing Varela's quick adaption and fearlessness to Hienze.
 
As far as I read from this thread, both Varela and Janko are quickly adapting and are very hot prospects for the future, and possible regulars in the (at least capital one) cups next season? I have not the best idea about their abilities, but if they are as promising as they sound perhaps we really don't need to strenghten the backline all that much. Given that Valencia could perhaps step in at the full back now and then, and Büttner continues his progression?
 
Count me in as a Varela admirer. Once he gets his shot at RB it's not going to take him long to surpass Rafael, and I'm not down on Rafael at all.
 
Yeah it's only a matter of time until Varela steps in and at the very least challenges Rafael. And Rafael can play left back as well so there will be plenty of chances for them both. Would much rather see Varela at right back than Smalling or jones. He's so technically brilliant on the ball.
 
Loublaze said:
What devilish said. Hienze adapted to United very quickly. Scored on his debut and looked like he'd been a premiership player for years. He became a fan favorite very, very quickly and won player of the month a few times and even got voted player of the season 2004-5 by United fans. I don't think you remember him too well...but like Devilish said, Fergie prefered Evra's attacking prowess and Hienze was not going to play second fiddle. The final straw was when he pushed for a move to Liverpool. I was really comparing Varela's quick adaption and fearlessness to Hienze.
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Its not as simple as that though. Heinze did himself no favors during his stay at United. In SAF autobiography he's described as a mercenary. SAF said that Heinze's agent used to constantly knocked his door to get either a pay rise or permission to talk to other clubs.

If you ask me, Heinze wanted to leave to make more money elsewhere and SAF wanted (or preferred) Evra.
 
Would be great to see a few youth players given a chance over the next 5 or 6 games, starting with Saturdays match.
 
Hope he plays on Saturday. We don't wanna risk needless injuries.

The league is done anyway.
 
devilish said:
Its not as simple as that though. Heinze did himself no favors during his stay at United. In SAF autobiography he's described as a mercenary. SAF said that Heinze's agent used to constantly knocked his door to get either a pay rise or permission to talk to other clubs.

If you ask me, Heinze wanted to leave to make more money elsewhere and SAF wanted (or preferred) Evra.
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Worked out for all parties then. Hienze got his move to PSG and Evra became the best left back in the world. Hienze disrespected the shirt
 
Wait, so is he back in Manchester now or not?
 
I like Varela but don't think he will be displacing Rafa. He will be a good option for resting/rotating Rafael and when Rafael gets his inevitable injuries though. I think him and Janko down the right could be a partnership we see at first team level in the coming seasons hopefully. Seems to have a maturity and awareness of what's going in around him. Doesn't shirk challenges and it's nice to hear Moyes mentioned him recently. I know some are insistent on playing for pride in the next few league games but they're a bit dead rubberish now and I'd love to see some youngsters given a go.
 
LR7 said:
I like Varela but don't think he will be displacing Rafa. He will be a good option for resting/rotating Rafael and when Rafael gets his inevitable injuries though. I think him and Janko down the right could be a partnership we see at first team level in the coming seasons hopefully. Seems to have a maturity and awareness of what's going in around him. Doesn't shirk challenges and it's nice to hear Moyes mentioned him recently. I know some are insistent on playing for pride in the next few league games but they're a bit dead rubberish now and I'd love to see some youngsters given a go.
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I don't think we need to replace Rafael in the first place. But he could be an excellent cover for Rafa when he does get injured. Better than spunking 20mil on Coleman for sure!
 
NK86 said:
I don't think we need to replace Rafael in the first place. But he could be an excellent cover for Rafa when he does get injured. Better than spunking 20mil on Coleman for sure!
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There isn't what you would call a 'need' to replace Rafael, but he has done himself no favours under a new manager this season in making his position one of the areas we don't have to think about at all. I'm talking of in the manner Evra had the left-back position so secured during his peak that there was no scope for Fabio to come through. Rafael is deservedly first-choice presently, but he has left the door slightly ajar.

I agree with the notion that, given his injury record, Varela could well step in during a lay-off over the next couple of seasons and make it very difficult for Rafa to get back in. He is currently probably an untouchable by default, not by form.
 
Rozay said:
There isn't what you would call a 'need' to replace Rafael, but he has done himself no favours under a new manager this season in making his position one of the areas we don't have to think about at all. I'm talking of in the manner Evra had the left-back position so secured during his peak that there was no scope for Fabio to come through. Rafael is deservedly first-choice presently, but he has left the door slightly ajar.

I agree with the notion that, given his injury record, Varela could well step in during a lay-off over the next couple of seasons and make it very difficult for Rafa to get back in. He is currently probably an untouchable by default, not by form.
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Fair enough if Varela can actually perform so well that he cannot be dropped. But I would not even dream of replacing Rafael. The guy loves it here, leaves everything on the pitch whenever he plays and never complains. He has had a dip in form this season, but then, most of the players have. Last year he was one of the best RBs in the PL and in Europe. That is an excellent achievement given his age.
 
I like what I've seen of Varela. I'd certainly like to see him get a shot at covering Rafael.
 
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