Drifter
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Why hide it?Why bring race into it?
Why hide it?Why bring race into it?
Tend to agree. Most “centrists” don’t believe in anything, bar what they believe people will vote for.
I studied Politics at University and honestly, I can completely understand why this country is in such a mess. Of the 100+ people in my year group, I’d say 90% were oddballs with no grounding in reality and/or wannabe schemers who would do or say anything to get into Westminster
Just look at the posts on this thread.
Its like a football game. Its about getting 'your side' to win. Win what?
Swinson and Johnson are in it for themselves.
Corbyn is the only genuine candidate.
Tend to agree. Most “centrists” don’t believe in anything, bar what they believe people will vote for.
Centrists - or moderates if you will - believe extremists and extremist, partisan, black and white thinking is dangerous, unrealistic and should be resisted. They believe in dialogue, argument, compromise, and a rational, evidence based approach rather than one based on ideology. Politically this would manifest itself in the broad centre ground. The idea that "centrism" is the absence of a political philosophy, is just a bit ignorant.
Centrists - or moderates if you will - believe extremists and extremist, partisan, black and white thinking is dangerous, unrealistic and should be resisted. They believe in dialogue, argument, compromise, and a rational, evidence based approach rather than one based on ideology. Politically this would manifest itself in the broad centre ground.
Moderates will fight for these values if they have to. The idea that "centrism" is the absence of a political philosophy, is just a bit ignorant.
Plato got it right over two thousand years ago....the problem is that those best fit to govern are those who do not want to
Note the “centrists” in inverted commas....it’s not a comment on whether it’s possible to hold a centrist position, it’s a comment on my opinion that many “centrists” are centrists because they will happily flip-flop from one set of beliefs to another depending on which way the winds are blowing
Also, wasn't that Douglas Adams?Plato was wrong and his philosophy is essentially a totalitarian one.
So what do Centrists do for the needs of ordinary people?
Define needs, define ordinary people.
That just reflects the fact that most people don't give a shit about politics.
Plato was wrong and his philosophy is essentially a totalitarian one.
Centrists will introduce same sex marriage and then bash the unemployed and working poor.
So what do Centrists do for the needs of ordinary people?
Leftists will, oh I don't know, wipe out Venezuela?Centrists will introduce same sex marriage and then bash the unemployed and working poor.
Get elected?
Leftists will, oh I don't know, wipe out Venezuela?
See how this game works?
“Essentially”? His philosophy is absolutely totalitarian. Doesn’t make him wrong about the point he was making in the context I was quoting him though
I'm saying what actually happened. I'm not talking some hypothetical.Leftists will, oh I don't know, wipe out Venezuela?
See how this game works?
I'm saying what actually happened.
If the context was somehow that Corbyn was some kind of disinterested philosopher king who has to be prodded to being PM, well, not sure I'm with you on that. He's as vain as the rest of them. But if I'm misinterpreting, then apologies.
Those who have seen their futures and that of their children get dimmer.
Do you really believe their futures will get better under Swinson and Johnson?
If so how?
Because Dianne Abbott attracts more vitriol than any other politician, and we all know why that is. It's tiring seeing her treated as nothing other than a figure of fun for the right-wing. In the run up to the last election, a study of abuse sent to female MPs exposed that she was the target of almost half of all the abusive messages. It's tiring just seeing lazy and unarticulated criticisms of her like 'lol imagine her as Home Secretary', especially when you consider the disgusting and racist policies of our most recent Home Secretaries yet they escape with less criticism than a woman whose worst sin is alleged incompetence. If Abbott makes an error, it is immortal and she is forever deemed to be incompetent whereas her white, male counterparts (be it belonging to the "left" or "right") can commit blunder after blunder or implement vile policies and still be treated with far more credibility as a political figure than Abbott is.
It might be because she says stuff like ‘mao did more good than harm’ on live tv.
But yeah, I’m sure if a Tory MP made a similar claim about Hitler, it would be brushed under the carpet.
Ah yes, that must explain why Abbot received almost half of the abuse directed at MPs then.
Because, as far as I'm aware, no Tory MP has ever said anything outrageous on live TV.
She consistently says that shit. Another poster already offered up another horrendous example of her opinions.
To go with that she can’t do junior school maths so it’s hardly a huge surprise she gets shit.
Obviously she gets more directed at her because of her background, but people saying ‘imagine her as home secretary’ or not considering her as fit for that role is fair game.
Also, when did a Tory MP last go on live television and try and argue in favour of a murderous dictator? Pretty sure if one did their career wouldn’t survive long.
No it's not. It's because she's a black lady.
It's equally not a surprise to see you unable to accept that might be a factor given the recent car crash that have been your posts in this forum.
It is a bit of a surprise that you think examples of Tory MPs doing stuff like that might be hard to find. I mean, feck, it was less than a year ago the PM rolled the red carpet out for fecking Mohamed Bin Salman and you're acting like the Tories would never sink so far as to cosy up to dictators. It's utterly laughable.
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Yeah I'm sure if a white male colleague had said the problem is black people then that would have been totally brushed over ... It's just a right wing media conspiracy to make her seem feking incompetent
Totally agree with this.Because Dianne Abbott attracts more vitriol than any other politician, and we all know why that is. It's tiring seeing her treated as nothing other than a figure of fun for the right-wing. In the run up to the last election, a study of abuse sent to female MPs exposed that she was the target of almost half of all the abusive messages. It's tiring just seeing lazy and unarticulated criticisms of her like 'lol imagine her as Home Secretary', especially when you consider the disgusting and racist policies of our most recent Home Secretaries yet they escape with less criticism than a woman whose worst sin is alleged incompetence. If Abbott makes an error, it is immortal and she is forever deemed to be incompetent whereas her white, male counterparts (be it belonging to the "left" or "right") can commit blunder after blunder or implement vile policies and still be treated with far more credibility as a political figure than Abbott is.
It’s not purely because she’s a black lady though, is it? It’s also because she says outrageously horrible and dumb shit. Obviously she gets added abuse for the colour of her skin, but it’s not the sole reason.
I didn’t say it wasn’t a factor, but the main reason she is getting abuse isn’t because she’s a black lady, it’s because she is a high profile MP who comes out with regularly daft shite. Portraying her as some innocent victim is laughable.
The post in question acted like her competency/character was only getting questioned due to her gender and race. But the reality is that she constantly makes eye raising statements and embarrasses herself, and then obviously that’s under even more scrutiny from certain cnutish types who take it too far.
The abuse she gets is vile and unjustifiable. But she is also more incompetent and clueless than nearly anybody in parliament.
Is that really the same as an MP looking back at the most murderous dictator in human history and saying ‘well he actually did more good than bad’ ??? I don’t think it is, at all. It’s pretty clear from that statement she admires some of what Mao did, which frankly is fecking terrifying.
She consistently says that shit. Another poster already offered up another horrendous example of her opinions.
To go with that she can’t do junior school maths so it’s hardly a huge surprise she gets shit.
Obviously she gets more directed at her because of her background, but people saying ‘imagine her as home secretary’ or not considering her as fit for that role is fair game.
Also, when did a Tory MP last go on live television and try and argue in favour of a murderous dictator? Pretty sure if one did their career wouldn’t survive long.
Yeah, another "example" which is literally made up. I wondered how long it would be before someone brought up the maths thing. Because apparently getting numbers wrong once means that you're going to receive far more criticism than other politicians who consciously engineer a policy designed to target black British citizens for deportation.
When did a Tory MP last go on live television and try and defend a murderous dictator? I mean, take your pick of anytime one of them has defended the government's relationship with Saudi Arabia recently. Oh, and the Tory MP who a few years back proudly declared how much he admired Pinochet and remains a member of Parliament today.
The abuse she gets is vile and unjustifiable. But she is also more incompetent and clueless than nearly anybody in parliament.
Ah good, I'm glad you crunched the numbers on that one. There was me thinking that your perception may have been altered by the disproportionate focus on Diane Abbott by racist feckwits in the press and on social media. I mean, come on, the voting public will struggle to name the members of the shadow cabinet. The fact Abbot even registers on people's radars is itself a pretty good sign she's singled out.
Diane Abbott may well be exceptionally incompetent, but given the absolutely staggering levels of incompetence exhibited on a daily basis by almost everyone in Parliament, it's hard to argue the incessant need to call out every stupid gaffe she makes (like, that Mao quote is from 2008!) is entirely motivated by a genuinely held belief that she is exceptionally incompetent.
And let's be clear about what this focus on Abbott comes against. Because it comes against a backdrop of Tory incompetence managing to split the country into two whilst deporting British citizens because of incompetence, Tory MPs assaulting people, Tory MPs using the n word in parliament and the Tories literally fecking killing people through whichever one of maliciousness/incompetence you want to believe that it is. All of those were apparently not as bad as Abbott drinking a mojito on the tube though.