José Mourinho Press Conference - 9th August 09:30 BST | Embargoed quotes in OP - on Martial, Pogba

VeevaVee said:
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Don't see much wrong with that, it's not the sub head for the link on the "World" version of the site as I showed you.:

Jose, in his own words: "I’m not confident, I’m not confident and the market closes today so is time at least for me to stop thinking about the market because the market will be closed, so I will have to focus on the players I have and in relation to this first couple of matches, maybe three matches because after Spurs there is national team and a couple of weeks to recover people and prepare people better, is to focus on players available so I’m not thinking about that list I give you, I focus on what we have."
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Don't see much wrong with that, it's not the sub head for the link on the "World" version of the site as I showed you.:

Jose, in his own words: "I’m not confident, I’m not confident and the market closes today so is time at least for me to stop thinking about the market because the market will be closed, so I will have to focus on the players I have and in relation to this first couple of matches, maybe three matches because after Spurs there is national team and a couple of weeks to recover people and prepare people better, is to focus on players available so I’m not thinking about that list I give you, I focus on what we have."
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He's just talking about a transfer and at first glance it seems like he's a being a major downer for the season ahead. As we know, it doesn't take much to get every man and his dog talking about how negative Jose is and constant subtle spin will add to it.
I don't know why you're arguing that it's not somewhere else. It's on the bbc homepage. Right under the top strip of news.
 
Other teams have people responsible for transfers working on them through the past few months. Woody has been doing what as he looks to manufacture something in a panic on the last day.

As before, if he did how work earlier instead of prancing around at Wimbledon, Cricket and rugby he would be much better prepared and hopefully be on top of it . His mantra that he can do things that no other club can do, really doesnt sit well with what he actually achieves.

Blame JM all you want, but it is left to Woody to get these signings, and if he and the board don't trust the manager, then what the heck does that mean for future managers. That Woody wil dictate what's needed.

His responsibility remains the shareholders and owners pockets, he is not a football man and we should not be surprised that he is found wanting when it involves team matters rather than sponsors and profits.
 
To be fair the BBC live blog has been the same, properly shameful spin on events all day. They're also not as funny as they think, this place could do a better live blog.
 
Kostov said:
Full interviews paint a different picture, you are right, and more often than not things are used out of context, but there were genuine poor quotes from a man that needs to manage a group of players.

He has praised players you are right, but we all know that even the smallest negative things said will be overblown and Jose knows that and still does it. I know you get both with Mourinho, but personally I'd rather he be more like Klopp in that aspect.
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I don't think you understand the gravity of managing Manchester United in comparison to spurs or liverpool. Trust me when I say this klopp would have been burnt down by the same media if he was managing United and winning shit all. Klopp gets defensive whenever back is against his wall and that's why all the hypocritical statements he has given. Imagine how many shitty questions he would have had to answer and he would have reacted.

The pressure of managing Manchester United is much more than other clubs.
 
I haven't watched it so I'm asking, not stating, the following:

Was the remark about finishing second last season being one of his great achievements as bad as it reads? In isolation it's the sort of thing that Moyes would have been torn apart for (apart from the fact that useless cnut couldn't finish second).

Seems like less whining, which is better I suppose.
 
VeevaVee said:
He's just talking about a transfer and at first glance it seems like he's a being a major downer for the season ahead. As we know, it doesn't take much to get every man and his dog talking about how negative Jose is and constant subtle spin will add to it.
I don't know why you're arguing that it's not somewhere else. It's on the bbc homepage. Right under the top strip of news.
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Look, I certainly don't want to get into an argument (with you or anyone) about the semantics of Jose's fecking teachings

… but the way I see it he says very clearly half way through that dialogue I posted above "…in relation to this first couple of matches, maybe three matches…"

I think we are all living under a cloud of doom and gloom and looking at things and people to blame for generating the grim world-view of our club currently (should I, no, I'd better not! ;)). Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it doesn't matter that much, but my personal opinion is that I certainly don't think the BBC have suddenly become click-bait merchants.
 
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I’m not sure why so many people are so pleased about this. Sure we finished ahead of Liverpool but it’s fairly bleeding obvious this was mainly down to them taking their foot off the gas in the league because they had bigger fish to fry in Europe. The exact same (and equally valid) excused use by Mourinho and people on here for our own slide down the table at the end of the previous season.

So I’m not getting any comfort from finishing ahead of them and don’t see that as any reason to take the piss out of journalists who conclude that a team who made the CL final, scored an absolute shit-load of goals in the league, conceded less than we did after signing Van Dijk and had an almost flawless transfer window might be better set for the season ahead than we are!
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Look, I certainly don't want to get into an argument (with you or anyone) about the semantics of Jose's fecking teachings

… but the way I see it he says very clearly half way through that dialogue I posted above "…in relation to this first couple of matches, maybe three matches…"

I think we are all living under a cloud of doom and gloom and looking at things and people to blame for generating the grim world-view of our club currently (should I, no, I'd better not! ;)). Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it doesn't matter that much, but my personal opinion is that I certainly don't think the BBC have suddenly become click-bait merchants.
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They click bait all the time now. They look like Buzzfeed at times. I even have a post about it in the annoying things thread somewhere.
And it's not about the dialogue. It's the headline.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure why so many people are so pleased about this. Sure we finished ahead of Liverpool but it’s fairly bleeding obvious this was mainly down to them taking their foot off the gas in the league because they had bigger fish to fry in Europe. The exact same (and equally valid) excused use by Mourinho and people on here for our own slide down the table at the end of the previous season.

So I’m not getting any comfort from finishing ahead of them and don’t see that as any reason to take the piss out of journalists who conclude that a team who made the CL final, scored an absolute shit-load of goals in the league, conceded less than we did after signing Van Dijk and had an almost flawless transfer window might be better set for the season ahead than we are!
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We were ahead of Liverpool for the entire season though, if we were neck and next that's fine but we were in no mans land ourselves in second without being in any danger of finishing outside of the top 4 so where was our motivation?
After beating City we just downed tools so that little run evens out. We both kind of gave up on league football around the same time.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure why so many people are so pleased about this. Sure we finished ahead of Liverpool but it’s fairly bleeding obvious this was mainly down to them taking their foot off the gas in the league because they had bigger fish to fry in Europe. The exact same (and equally valid) excused use by Mourinho and people on here for our own slide down the table at the end of the previous season.

So I’m not getting any comfort from finishing ahead of them and don’t see that as any reason to take the piss out of journalists who conclude that a team who made the CL final, scored an absolute shit-load of goals in the league, conceded less than we did after signing Van Dijk and had an almost flawless transfer window might be better set for the season ahead than we are!
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To be fair we took our foot off the gas a bit too after we lost to WBA and City won the title. Had the FA Cup final in mind.
 
VeevaVee said:
They click bait all the time now. They look like Buzzfeed at times. I even have a post about it in the annoying things thread somewhere.
And it's not about the dialogue. It's the headline.
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OK:
Of course it's relevant, it's 100% about the dialogue. The headline is quoting the dialogue, directly. It can't possibly be about anything else!

If anyone is trolling Manchester United Fans it's Jose Mourinho!

When asked about signings in a pre-match presser why doesn't he say?:
"It's not a perfect situation but as you well know I do not handle that side of the business, please ask Mr Woodward. As this is a pre-match press conference has anyone got any questions about the match?"
"The young players I am working with are fantastic professionals brought through the best academy in the Premier League (or anywhere else I've been fortunate enough to work) their professionalism is second to none and they have all impressed me immensely … in fact it may give me a headache when some of my "first team" players return!

He doesn't say any of this because he couldn't really give a toss about Manchester United (and the press can see this) he's only worried about Jose Mourinho's profile and getting his excuses in before we play 8 at the back on Friday and probably draw with Leicester without their three best players
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure why so many people are so pleased about this. Sure we finished ahead of Liverpool but it’s fairly bleeding obvious this was mainly down to them taking their foot off the gas in the league because they had bigger fish to fry in Europe. The exact same (and equally valid) excused use by Mourinho and people on here for our own slide down the table at the end of the previous season.

So I’m not getting any comfort from finishing ahead of them and don’t see that as any reason to take the piss out of journalists who conclude that a team who made the CL final, scored an absolute shit-load of goals in the league, conceded less than we did after signing Van Dijk and had an almost flawless transfer window might be better set for the season ahead than we are!
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I was flabbergasted when they were mentioned as "brilliant comments". It's like the press, & through them the fans, are being asked to celebrate our dull football and second placed finish as some kind of miracle achievement. I don't remember the press being that hard either. We get more negative press due to Jose's incendiary comments than any shit made up by them. The press didn't make the terrible comments after the Sevilla game; it was Jose who attempted in some weird way to put the club he is in charge of in it's place. There is almost a Trump like attempt to project them as "FAKE NEWS!". It's surprising that there are so many who lap his shit up. Jose has a weird cult like following on here. You are hounded out as soon as you want to discuss his negativity or dampening attitude.
 
ErranMorad said:
I was flabbergasted when they were mentioned as "brilliant comments". It's like the press, & through them the fans, are being asked to celebrate our dull football and second placed finish as some kind of miracle achievement. I don't remember the press being that hard either. We get more negative press due to Jose's incendiary comments than any shit made up by them. The press didn't make the terrible comments after the Sevilla game; it was Jose who attempted in some weird way to put the club he is in charge of in it's place. There is almost a Trump like attempt to project them as "FAKE NEWS!". It's surprising that there so many that lap his shit up. Jose has a weird cult like following on here. You are hounded out as soon as you want to discuss his negativity or dampening attitude.
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This.
 
Raw said:
To be fair we took our foot off the gas a bit too after we lost to WBA and City won the title. Had the FA Cup final in mind.
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Absolutely. When we were still on course to finish with 86/87 points our form dipped at which point I think City had it mathematically ensured.

Jose saying finishing 2nd last season is him trying to point out to the owners that he extracted the absolute maximum from the team (in his view at least). I don't find anything he said in that presser disagreeable.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
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Of course it's relevant, it's 100% about the dialogue. The headline is quoting the dialogue, directly. It can't possibly be about anything else!

If anyone is trolling Manchester United Fans it's Jose Mourinho!

When asked about signings in a pre-match presser why doesn't he say?:
"It's not a perfect situation but as you well know I do not handle that side of the business, please ask Mr Woodward. As this is a pre-match press conference has anyone got any questions about the match?"
"The young players I am working with are fantastic professionals brought through the best academy in the Premier League (or anywhere else I've been fortunate enough to work) their professionalism is second to none and they have all impressed me immensely … in fact it may give me a headache when some of my "first team" players return!

He doesn't say any of this because he couldn't really give a toss about Manchester United (and the press can see this) he's only worried about Jose Mourinho's profile and getting his excuses in before we play 8 at the back on Friday and probably draw with Leicester without their three best players
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It changes the context to something potentially entirely different. The rest of your post is you going off on one.
 
Kag said:
I haven't watched it so I'm asking, not stating, the following:

Was the remark about finishing second last season being one of his great achievements as bad as it reads? In isolation it's the sort of thing that Moyes would have been torn apart for (apart from the fact that useless cnut couldn't finish second).

Seems like less whining, which is better I suppose.
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Nah, he makes the point immediately after having a go at the media.

He said he sometimes struggles to believe we finished second given that the media acts like we got relegated and are much worse than teams that ended up behind us (IMO he had the Scousers in mind). Then he dropped that comment. As I saw it he was being sarcastic e.g. you guys say we're so, so much worse than teams that finish behind us and yet we finished second. This must be the greatest feat in my career. Much bigger than winning eight titles.

Its clear Jose hates the media.
 
AshRK said:
I don't think you understand the gravity of managing Manchester United in comparison to spurs or liverpool. Trust me when I say this klopp would have been burnt down by the same media if he was managing United and winning shit all. Klopp gets defensive whenever back is against his wall and that's why all the hypocritical statements he has given. Imagine how many shitty questions he would have had to answer and he would have reacted.

The pressure of managing Manchester United is much more than other clubs.
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I've wanted Jose Mourinho to succeed Sir Alex in 2013 for the same reasons you mention, exactly because I think he can handle all that will be thrown at him. Because he has the persona and attitude required. But when I think he does something unnecessary I think he should be criticized.
 
I think he makes perfectly logical and sane points. He's looking to change the way the team play this season, but he hasn't been able to work on it as much as he'd like because we've had the vast majority of our first team at the WC and therefore not available preseason. Therefore he hasn't had time to work with his full squad on new tactics in time for the game against Leicester. All perfectly true, and you'd think the CAF would be pleased to hear he is changing tactics (we'll see whether these new tactics are for the better or worse).

Because many of our players were away at the WC they have only just returned from holiday and have trained for 4 days only, so are not match fit for Friday. All true.

Of the first team players who weren't at the WC some now have unexpected injuries, further depleting the squad for Fridays match. All true.

The media have focused on stories saying Man Utd under achieved, while praising Liverpool and Spurs, despite us being the team who finished 2nd in the Prem and runners up in the FA Cup. 100% true.

The media (and CAF) are saying Jose is past his best and Klopp and Pochettino are the future, despite Jose winning trophies and Klopp and Pochettino winning feck all. 100% true.

Nice to see Jose has a grip on reality and the majority of the media and CAF are in fantasy land.
 
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SqueakyWeasel said:
Because I disagree with with your flawed logic I must be drunk?
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I'm not even sure what you're disagreeing with. There's not much to disagree with. Unless you don't think any media makes quotes sound different out of context in a headline. Or that Jose was actually being super negative about the season ahead, which he wasn't.

Your original disagreement seemed to be that the headline I quoted didn't even exist, because you were looking in a different place or at the article itself which had a different one.
 
ErranMorad said:
I was flabbergasted when they were mentioned as "brilliant comments". It's like the press, & through them the fans, are being asked to celebrate our dull football and second placed finish as some kind of miracle achievement. I don't remember the press being that hard either. We get more negative press due to Jose's incendiary comments than any shit made up by them. The press didn't make the terrible comments after the Sevilla game; it was Jose who attempted in some weird way to put the club he is in charge of in it's place. There is almost a Trump like attempt to project them as "FAKE NEWS!". It's surprising that there are so many who lap his shit up. Jose has a weird cult like following on here. You are hounded out as soon as you want to discuss his negativity or dampening attitude.
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Only one problem with that though...

You say Mourinho has a cult following? True!
You say you want to discuss his negativity and all that? False!

There is no discussing it, least not what I've seen. It's either Mourinho in or Mourinho out for 95% of people here and elsewhere
 
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Nah, he makes the point immediately after having a go at the media.

He said he sometimes struggles to believe we finished second given that the media acts like we got relegated and are much worse than teams that ended up behind us (IMO he had the Scousers in mind). Then he dropped that comment. As I saw it he was being sarcastic e.g. you guys say we're so, so much worse than teams that finish behind us and yet we finished second. This must be the greatest feat in my career. Much bigger than winning eight titles.

Its clear Jose hates the media.
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Great. Thanks.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Yeah, I'm drunk?

At least I'm trying to logically answer your statements … which you seem to have no answer for by the way.

Not get personal, as it says in the rules.
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What more do you want? It's basic stuff.
I've also not been personal. Your posts have been thoroughly weird throughout this conversation. I'm not even trying to have a dig.
 
That was a good presser, and he looks up for it. Loved that he called out the media for their shitty coverage, the sarcasm when he dropped the greatest achievement bit was great to see too.

For mighty top reds who're repeating 2nd place finish is nothing to be proud of, because Manchester United stands for something more and demands more need to be brought to reality. It's not something to celebrate about but it's not something to scoff at either, we're a different club than to what we were under Fergie and 2013 closed a chapter of a great era and we had to start afresh. Something we've clearly struggled with as 5 years have suggested, despite that we've CL football for 2 consecutive seasons for first time since Fergie retired, we also had our highest point tally since 2013 too and most importantly we finally have some stability. We may not be progressing at the rate like many of us want but at least we're moving in the right direction. People forget so quickly how bad things were under Moyes and van Gaal, we were constantly whopped by any decent side we came up against under Moyes while under van Gaal we played the worst football at OT in living memory and looked resigned to losing anytime things didn't go our way.

Also, things are always relative, a 81 point league campaign might've won you a PL title few seasons back but now we're living in a time where there is a side which can rack up 100 points in PL. While we ourselves have spent obscene amounts of money since 2013, jury is still out as to how the best part of that spending has been fruitful. Clubs in and around us haven't stood still since Fergie retired either, Spurs have a top quality first XI with likes of Eriksen, Kane and Son developing into top players in their position. Liverpool have managed to turn around a squad which contained players like Benteke, Kolo Toure, Joe Allen, Lucas, Origi etc. into Salah, van Dijk, Keita etc. Chelsea too have managed to hold onto their star player in Hazard while adding quality in form on Kante, Alonso etc.

People have every right to have a go at Mourinho for his brand of football and failure to get the best out of the players at his disposal but at the same time keep some perspective as to where we are things are relative to other clubs year on year.
 
VeevaVee said:
What more do you want? It's basic stuff.
I've also not been personal. Your posts have been thoroughly weird throughout this conversation. I'm not even trying to have a dig.
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Not trying to have a dig??? You've accused me of being drunk … TWICE!

1. This whole thing started when I pointed out, in reply to your post about the BBC's coverage of Jose's presser, that the worldwide version of the BBC site does not house the same link on the main page with the wording that troubled you, that you were seeing in the UK. You chose not to believe that things can be different in the rest of the world and you called me out on it even after I'd sent you a screen shot of what I see from right here Germany clearly not containing the article that had you hot and bothered.

VeevaVee said:
… I don't know why you're arguing that it's not somewhere else. It's on the bbc homepage. Right under the top strip of news.
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2. You carried on to disagree with all the evidence, so I therefore gave up on the hope you would just let it go. I stated, again clearly, that I had no intention of getting into an argument with you (or anyone) but that what I see is what I see and I did not feel the BBC had overstepped the mark. I even supplied a direct quote from Jose from the presser that I hoped would put the BBCs headline into context for you (as this is a thread about the presser it seemed moot).

3. You ignored my pleas not to get into one and went off on a tangent that the BBC are well know for trolling and baiting, something I'm not personally aware of btw. The thing that got me to carry on though was when you stated that the quote from Jose, that I had supplied to clear things up, had nothing to do with the headline the BBC had used.

EDIT: Perhaps I am drunk because I pressed "post" instead of "insert quotes" before I was finished. I was going to go through another 4 points :lol:
I'm done with this now anyway, wasted enough time on nonsense here before, and it won't be the last time either I'm sure.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Not trying to have a dig??? You've accused me of being drunk … TWICE!

1. This whole thing started when I pointed out, in reply to your post about the BBC's coverage of Jose's presser, that the worldwide version of the BBC site does not house the same link on the main page with the wording that troubled you, that you were seeing in the UK. You chose not to believe that things can be different in the rest of the world and you called me out on it even after I'd sent you a screen shot of what I see from right here Germany clearly not containing the article that had you hot and bothered.



2. You carried on to disagree with all the evidence, so I therefore gave up on the hope you would just let it go. I stated, again clearly, that I had no intention of getting into an argument with you (or anyone) but that what I see is what I see and I did not feel the BBC had overstepped the mark. I even supplied a direct quote from Jose from the presser that I hoped would put the BBCs headline into context for you (as this is a thread about the presser it seemed moot).

3. You ignored my pleas not to get into one and went off on a tangent that the BBC are well know for trolling and baiting, something I'm not personally aware of btw. The thing that got me to carry on though was when you stated that the quote from Jose, that I had supplied to clear things up, had nothing to do with the headline the BBC had used.
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Stop lad
 
ErranMorad said:
I was flabbergasted when they were mentioned as "brilliant comments". It's like the press, & through them the fans, are being asked to celebrate our dull football and second placed finish as some kind of miracle achievement. I don't remember the press being that hard either. We get more negative press due to Jose's incendiary comments than any shit made up by them. The press didn't make the terrible comments after the Sevilla game; it was Jose who attempted in some weird way to put the club he is in charge of in it's place. There is almost a Trump like attempt to project them as "FAKE NEWS!". It's surprising that there are so many who lap his shit up. Jose has a weird cult like following on here. You are hounded out as soon as you want to discuss his negativity or dampening attitude.
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I think that last bit is very unfair. The Jose loyalists are in a small minority at this stage and don’t hound anyone. If anything, they cop more shit than they hand out.
 
cyberman said:
We were ahead of Liverpool for the entire season though, if we were neck and next that's fine but we were in no mans land ourselves in second without being in any danger of finishing outside of the top 4 so where was our motivation?
After beating City we just downed tools so that little run evens out. We both kind of gave up on league football around the same time.
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Well maybe if we looked like a dominating team all season the press wouldn’t be on our back about ‘boring’ football and parking the fecking bus.
 
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