That wasn't down to our defence though...both games were a result of not taking chances. And Swansea looked far worse than both of them today. If that wasn't a guaranteed win then we'd have been as well packing it in!
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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That wasn't down to our defence though...both games were a result of not taking chances. And Swansea looked far worse than both of them today. If that wasn't a guaranteed win then we'd have been as well packing it in!
Calling a manager a flop after 3 months
As time goes on there is going to be less and less machismo in Football that is just how it works.
Manager > Players.
Especially when the players are a bunch of nothings who have achieved feck all in their careers while the manager is the second greatest PL coach after Fergie.
The ethos of Man Utd has always been that no player is bigger than the club, and here we have supporters going against the manager for the sake of a bunch of whinging cnuts.
I'm firmly in the pro-Mourinho camp and do not give a flying feck about Shaw and Smalling. Shaw's a LB - if he doesn't buck up his ideas, it's hardly the most important position in the team and I'm certain we can find an adequate replacement.
This applies even more so for Smalling - he's a laughably overrated CB who crumbles under pressure. His shirt-pulling nonsense in the penalty box makes me cringe. He's not fit to lace the boots of his predecessors, and that's the standard we need to be aiming for.
Especially when the players are a bunch of nothings who have achieved feck all in their careers while the manager is the second greatest PL coach after Fergie.
The ethos of Man Utd has always been that no player is bigger than the club, and here we have supporters going against the manager for the sake of a bunch of whinging cnuts.
I'm firmly in the pro-Mourinho camp and do not give a flying feck about Shaw and Smalling. Shaw's a LB - if he doesn't buck up his ideas, it's hardly the most important position in the team and I'm certain we can find an adequate replacement.
This applies even more so for Smalling - he's a laughably overrated CB who crumbles under pressure. His shirt-pulling nonsense in the penalty box makes me cringe. He's not fit to lace the boots of his predecessors, and that's the standard we need to be aiming for.
We're all willing to give Mourinho our full support (I know I am, anyway), but that doesn't mean he gets a free pass and we don't question any of his decisions at all. There's nothing wrong with sensible criticism/analysis when it's needed.
Shaw hasn't put years of service in. He looks fat and has been awful since he came back from injury
BFS has spent more time not playing and spent more time in Germany
Rooney is a lost cause
Smalling is ridiculously shit and always has been
Depay is a nothing player, with one year behind him....
What years of service? What players have we thrown under the bus?
Rooney? He's been shit for 3 years. Patience has snapped
Yep....4 easy points lost due to Ibra's finishing.That wasn't down to our defence though...both games were a result of not taking chances. And Swansea looked far worse than both of them today. If that wasn't a guaranteed win then we'd have been as well packing it in!
Exactly if we can be critical of players on this site we can be critical of the manager as well.
Very few people are 'going against the manager'. People are just applying reasonable criticism to his comments, which is fair. We're all behind him and hope he'll be hugely successful, but that doesn't mean he gets free reign to say/do what he wants without people looking at the substance of whatever it is he's said.
Well, in fairness, I'm reading posts against them like this...
"Oh yeah, typical Mourinho. I knew this would happen"
It's literally like people were just waiting for an excuse.
Nothing he said today was wrong. It was all pure fact
Pretty much, which is why I feel like the mentality talk is being overplayed. Our problems thus far this season haven't been that complicated: we've primarily dropped points because we haven't been scoring enough goals in comparison to our title rivals (we hope...) who have been much more free-flowing. If we'd scored anywhere near, say, Liverpool tally's then we'd be right up there among the top three/four.
It's his opinion. Personally, I'd be pissed if he thinks Shaw wanting to sit out of an easy game because he had a niggle, when Shaw's just back from a lengthy injury, is a sign of a weak mentality.
It's funny that Liverpool and Chelsea fans are largely opposed to it. Which makes me even more convinced Jose is on to a winner here and is setting his standards early.
You might get spotty success pandering to team of inculpable primaddonnas for a season, but no way can you expect sustained success with that type of management.
Simeone hasn't had to deal with the number egos United has and he has a strong standing at Atletico.
What? That's not the purpose of the caf?!
On the count of 3, let's all post 'Mourinho's red army!' It's what we're all here for, right?
A select few do but I've yet to see many posts in this thread from people with a clear agenda against him. A lot of people are just making strawmen arguments up to suit their own points.
Couldn't care less if Shaw and Smalling never play for us again.
Yeah I agree. Which makes it annoying when fans start ripping into Mou...we are performing well!
The whole talk of crisis is bullshit imo. We've played some of the best football we have in years!
LvG had several pops at Shaw.
Shaw's brother mouthed off
Mourinho has pops at Shaw
Shaw's brother mouthed off
There is a pattern developing here....Plus, he looks overweight and he's the number one culprit for not looking bothered or interested.
In other words, he's fecking terrible. Evra, on his last legs, was far better
Yeah I would agree with that (in this thread) - on the forum different story
Who is throwing players under the bus? I'm not doing it.
If they don't have the mentality of playing for United then it's quite obvious you shouldn't be at the club. How or why is that a bulshit reason?
The team moys had still has De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Young, Valencia, Carrick and a few others. I'd call that a decent portion of the team. Well, from the combined reigns of the last two managers we have a core of the team. The point still stands.
No, not whole lot of modern footballers. You can be as modern as you like but be a true professional and play to the limits. Give it all for the club, the fans and for yourself. I was watching Barcelona tonight the chasing down in the final third from Neymar, Suarez et all was fantastic. These are all superstars but they give their everything cause they're winners. Also why did you include Chelsea, they obviously only play when it suits them.
Yes, the pattern is that his brother is a complete knobhead who doesn't understand the ramifications of posting stupid shit on social media. Are you thinking that Shaw's masterminding some clandestine plot to have his brother post idiotic drivel on Twitter to defend him and then delete it and claim photoshop?
The combined karmic energy from getting behind the manager will literally propel this team up the table.
Only the person who has the injury or illness would know how their body feels, football players are no different. If a player feels that he cannot give his absolute best out on the pitch, then I would rather he speak up than go out onto the pitch and let the team down.
And who from that team is mentally weak, that Mourinho's pointing to? DDG, Jones, Young and Carrick played today and Mourinho said they're all players he views as reliable...leaving Smalling and Valencia. Smalling I'll give you since he's sometimes crumbled when it mattered, but Valencia has improved under Mourinho and has arguably displayed mental strength when it mattered since he's often been mocked in the past couple of years.
And Neymar used to be criticised as an overrated prima-donna, while Suarez despite his ability and effort is often maligned as a nasty bastard who can cause trouble by doing something stupid like biting someone. Both players are great because they have great ability. Mental strength helps but their overall ability is what matters.
Are you really telling me that Shaw DOESN'T tell his brother about his issues at the club?
Shaw didn't "mastermind" any Twitter attack from his brother ffs. He clearly told him his issues though and his brother stepped over the line.
Btw, I don't speak to my brothers at all. Yet, I tell them things that are going wrong in my life.
Kind of embarrassed yourself here, haven't you?
Aye, it's quite mature actually, and if Mourinho had said this after the game people would have been praising Shaw for putting the team ahead of himself, and for being brave enough to communicate his issues to the manager.
There seems to be too much focus on the injuries.
He's questioning everything about the professionalism of the players at the club. And rightly so.
Funny eh? Gotta wonder how Ranieri got his supposedly mid table players to win the title by offering them pizza instead of having a go at them .
LVG did not do several pops at Luck shaw.
He said he didn't think shaw was fit enough to start games at the beginning of the season. Then he got injuries and that season ended up without too much of a fuss about him.
Then, after that I think people asked lvg about shaw. LVG said he has been working hard and in good shape and this will be his year.
Guess what? He showed that on that season till he got injuried.
Talking about posters bringing all the shit and negatives that could think and make up from previous managers to excuse the current one when he does some weird shits.
Everything jose does can't and won't be right. Yes he won a title not too long ago. But he fecked his own title winning squad up very badly also which was even fresher. Just remember that.
I don't even think he believes in half of shit he said in these post match presses anyway. I just think he likes to rant for the sake of it. The concern is that I have no idea how it will effect on the squad in long term. No one knows. We just have to wait and hope for the best.
First, what on earth does the bolded part even mean.
Second, if you telepathically communicate some troubles in your life (or whatever non-verbal form of communication you choose to use), it's your brother's responsibility not to broadcast that shit to the world. I'm not saying that Shaw doesn't tell his brother issues at the club, but Shaw is not telling his brother to disclose them to the world, and nothing his brother says is any indictment on Shaw's mentality.
OK, so basically, LvG is a God, who done everything right and Mourinho the winner is hoping and wishing for the best?
fecking hell, you could have saved yourself time and narrowed it down a fair bit
lol...
It means that as much as I can't stand my brothers, even I'm desperate for their support at times, when shit hits the fan!
I don't know how you don't understand that
But yeah, course Shaw's mentality is that of a title winning Fergie player. Give him a statue
And where are they this season?
They only lost Kante. They've had their selfie with silverware and we'll never hear from them again. Look how Vardy is doing.
Okay, I agree with you on the core of the team point. You are right.
But by 'mentality' I don't just mean them on being mentally weak, that they can't take criticism. It's the self serving, self entitled attitude that they have. There is definitely evidence of that from Shaw's brothers tweets. Calling Rojo and Jose out. Obviously, Shaw didn't send those tweets himself, but I think that his brother is in the know, and shares his brothers thoughts. It's that side of football that I hate now. The whining, the leaks, the primadonna attitudes without doing anything worthy of acting like you're some sort of God. I'm becoming way disillusioned with the whole thing.
Edit: Just to add, if that is true that Mkhitaryan asked for a transfer after being subbed off against City, then really you do have to wonder about their mental fragility.
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This squad, this club even is in need of a shake-up and Mourinho sees it, clear as we do.
There will be lots of kicking and screaming from the deadwood, from the weak and the lazy but it has to be done.
So what if we finish 6th or 7th or whatever because of it? They wouldn't have achieved better anyway.
There will be lots of kicking and screaming from the deadwood, from the weak and the lazy but it has to be done.
So what if we finish 6th or 7th or whatever because of it? They wouldn't have achieved better anyway.
They finished 4th and 5th the previous seasons.
Short memories, that lot.
Plus, they've taken the 'surprising' position of defending a player they'd like to sign. I am shocked.