Rooney said players were behind Van gaal after we won the f.a. cup and 10 mins before he was sacked. It means nothing.
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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I understand where you are coming from, but somebody is leaking stuff from the club every time there is a problem. Even when Jose has not said a word, even when Jose was not the manager.
Better than "I hope he's sold to China" bs.
There are too much at stake nowadays. More must win game, need more result... instead of buying more players and bigger squad(which is limited by regulation), talented footballers are paid more to endure and deliver in a smaller squad. The play with injury practice has been going on for god know when. Messi did play with sickness and at time said he feel like playing with weight on his feet... Ronaldo did during the end of 2008 season, went to EURO before get the surgery... That's how the reality is sadly. If you want 100% fit team vs team game, then I am afraid we won't have as many football games to watch as we do. It's a business afterall with all the money being put into it.
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Maybe Mou is firing back at some of them publically because they've been firing at him sneakily through mates in the press?
Trypanophobic you mean.
I'm glad I made this thread 
A hot topic of discussion. We haven't had this moment of Mourinho turning on his players since Sir Alex. Hope it works out, instead of going right the other way.
A hot topic of discussion. We haven't had this moment of Mourinho turning on his players since Sir Alex. Hope it works out, instead of going right the other way.
Thankfully Jose is well versed with dealing with snakes in the dressing room from his Madrid days. We need to get behind him while he detoxifies the squad. No player is bigger than the manager and no player is bigger than the club. Wouldn't be surprised if Jose rattled Shaws cage to see if he would get the right type of response or expose himself as a mole.
It's a shame because Shaw is an excellent player but he's naive to run to the press and undermine probably the most ruthless manager going.
It's a shame because Shaw is an excellent player but he's naive to run to the press and undermine probably the most ruthless manager going.
I had to look that up. Yep.
Although I typed trypophobia in by mistake which is fear of holes. Was confused for a bit. Just like Luke. Although he is digging himself into one at the minute.You can always tell when there's an international break.I'm glad I made this thread
A hot topic of discussion. We haven't had this moment of Mourinho turning on his players since Sir Alex. Hope it works out, instead of going right the other way.
These days 'I hope he's sold to China' is said as if it's the equivalent of the KGB exiling someone to Siberia, like a protesting Shaw or Rooney would be bundled onto planes in straight jackets and beaten in Beijing like circus elephants forced to perform in front of smiling Chinese licking ice creams
And you are not going to fix it by adding unnecessary drama, I was less bothered by his arbitrary treatment of Schweinsteiger because he is entitled to make his team, if he thinks that a player is bad for the team culture, he puts him aside like he did with Schweinsteiger and sell him. After that he can tell us that he sold the player because he was a bad fit from a social standpoint but here he just created speculation and dissension.
Please can we not turn on Shaw as if we have any idea about what is going on.
Crikey, absolutely toxic on here at the moment.
Crikey, absolutely toxic on here at the moment.
Oh god another 2 weeks of this
No doubt you'd rather us turn on Mourinho.
What i think Jose meant was that top players play despite the pain, despite an injury which will hurt them but no injure them. I remember Rafael played woith broken fingers,Valencia broke his hand and played on, Evra was never injured in his time here, Ronaldo was the same. I remember a story from Ronaldo's gf that when he had sex with her, he would do her and then immediately put ice on his ankle and still play games, Messi has played injured a whole season, John terry came back from a boot on the head in 2 days,Vidic would not go off easily, Drogba similarly. I think this is a sign of Mental weakness from Shaw like it was with Louis Saha, he dint fancy it and hence put the team in jeopardy. We all know jose hates slackers and maybe Shaw this season hasnt been upto the mark. He was blamed for two goals earlier and has been poor. I think refusing to play on the game day is what was the straw that made jose say what he did. He must have felt let down. I am sure the medical staff would have passed him fit, had they not, surely Jose wouldnt say this.
Fixed it for you.
No one is going to turn on Mourinho over this. As you can see the general favour of redcafe seems to support him.
you are trying to make a comparison that makes no sense. There is a massive difference between what is getting said in the heat of the moment (during a match) and remarks during an interview. They are not equivalent. You are also ignoring the context, which is very relevant.
When Pep left Barca and Bayern the teams loved him. The opposite is true with Mourinho. Mourinho has also a long history of publicly shifting blame. He is not doing this for calculated reasons; once things go wrong he just can't help himself and has to blame someone for the problems. That went so far, that he ended up blaming his medical staff for treating an injured player. Thats the level of craziness we are talking about.
No other top manager comes anywhere close to that. Don't respond to me if you can't even acknowledge this, because conversation doesn't make any sense.
Mourinho did manage before his Madrid days you know and his teams before that loved him also.
Also you do remember Pep had a rift with medical staff at Bayern?
I know, there always seems to be some controversy for us to lose our s**t over at these times.Oh god another 2 weeks of this
Mourinho is right, players do have to be mentally tough. One of the best ways for Shaw to demonstrate his mental toughness is to stand up to his manager and insist he doesn't play if he feels he can't.
Publicly criticising your players is a dangerous game. If it blows up in his face then it's his own fault. We'll see what happens.
Publicly criticising your players is a dangerous game. If it blows up in his face then it's his own fault. We'll see what happens.
Forgot about that.
Man's an arse..
I'm glad I made this thread
Its a great thread Jacky.
It's a right divisive issue in here. The players have unperformed and showed weak mentality's over the last 3 years and we finally have a manager with the guts to call them out on it.
Its not about playing with injuries either, its bigger than that.
Most, if not all, the people against this are purely blindly by a dislike of Mourinho and are unable to see he has a fecking good point and an awful lot United fans have been saying this for ages. The players have been taking the piss the last few seasons. Now its out in the open and the onus is on them.
A huge amount of Old trafford and the away support will be with Jose on this one as well.
Exactly.
Guardiola is mental, he spied on his players at Barcelona. He is far from an example.
I didn't bring it as an example, I reacted to a guy who defended Pep and claimed everybody and their dog loves him and all the teams Jose had hated him which is of course bollocks.
Bet he made her fetch it, too
And these top clubs give power to players over the manager and moreover have a DoF to steady the ship while sacking managers.
Our board needs to decide whether the club is going to stay old-school or go fully modern. Can't hang in the middle.
Really? Because the last few years on this forum has been mostly criticism of Moyes, Van Gaal, Rooney and Felliani.
That is what I think they should do.
Missed the point again.
Before this press, there was leak from the player side after the Watford incident. It's the start of this current affair.
Pep was playing the blame game with Bayern medical staffs, too. Bayern fan were not very pleased with his tactic at time. Pep was getting tough time dropping the like of fan favorite in Muller... It's not a fairtale love. There is a reason Pep chose City: less politic (having his people in powerful position installed at the club) and supporter has less attachment to the players so Pep can enjoy fulfill his vision (another discussion).
I agree with almost everything you say there, although I don't remember him publicly digging out a player as such but when he'd had enough of a player or thought that they were detrimental to the team it wasn't long before we were seeing them being moved on, I'm not sure if Mourinho is going about it the right way but I agree that he ain't so different from Fergie who if I remember correctly I was mad as feck with when he got rid of Whiteside and McGrath, turns out they were a pair of pissheads and the rest is history, so if certain players haven't got the bollocks to play through a bit of pain for Manchester United, the biggest football club in the fecking world then they can do one as far as I'm concerned.
To be honest, I don't understand the comparisons with managers like Klopp or Guardiola who cares about what they do, they are no paragons of vertue and rightness.
I don't understand it either. But both of them are hyper cool and great and everything they do is fabulous. Liverpool is now the most mentioned word in many threads.
In the past I have criticized Pep for the medical staff situation and Klopp for playing so many friendlies over the summer(I was probably wrong about) but, everytime I criticize Mourinho on here those two are brought up. If Klopp or Pep was doing this nonsense as Manchester United manager I would be just as critical.
Still can't get my head around this. If there are a contingent of piss-takers dragging the club down, are we seriously suggesting that Smalling and Shaw are top of that list? It's divisive, poisonous stuff, the opposite of what I want to see at the club. If there's deadwood to be cleared, clear it. But not like this.
I know, I almost insulted someone who used the sentence "when I watch Liverpool...".
If i was ronaldo, id probably hire someone to put ice on my ankle while i fecked their gf too.