Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."

[Nero]

Mourinho isn't advocating that players should play through genuine injuries. He's not implying that if a player has an ankle/knee/hamstring etc injury they should get out on the pitch. He's referring more to aches and pains being enough for some players to want to sit out, i.e not being 100%. I think he's suggesting it's as much a mental problem as a physical problem.

Secondly, this isn't a case of Mourinho saying he wants these players out of the club. He quite clearly states in his post-match interview that he doesn't want the players out, he just wants to change the mentality. Now it's up to those players to look at themselves.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Interesting snippets from the tweets in the OP.

Louis praised Martial for recognising a potential injury before games last season of course and was protective of Shaw after that injury. Mou's targeted Shaw once, would he go again so soon? I think it's a swipe at Martial personally. If it's him, and the short tweets are a synopsis of the whole point, then it's as clear a message of a change in principal and approach as he could possibly give without calling people out directly.

2 ways to view it of course. If you trust the man in question fully, then Louis' way is the most responsible but it's also open to manipulation in weak times. If you need players to rise and be counted for (as Jose did) then it's the tried and trusted soldier mentality of a call to arms being issued.

My only hope is that Jose uses this as a first warning scenario and wouldn't exclude Martial (if it's him) permanently because of this and would give him a chance again. He's still a young man learning his way and under Jose, that way will be very different to what he's had before.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Pretty sure he is not on his any side. I dont think its an attitude problem with Mkhi anyways. Its all about adapting.

I hope you're right but no denying he has had a torrid start to his Utd career. I expected him to be playing regularly after 3 months.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Wasn't Klopp pissed off with Sturridge's imaginary injures too?

He was wrong too.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Jose's statement is very similar to Klopp's one on Sturridge last season. Interesting to see if the media afford Jose the same ride they gave Klopp, I very much doubt it.

 

[ti vu]

During the treble season he was able to fit in 4 strikers.

But lookign at starting line up, Yorke and Cole pretty much start more then OGS and Sheringham. The main point is for those who being used as substitute under SAF, they're commuted to the cause and happy to play apart even as substitute. Similar thing can be said about Mourinho and this going through wall for the team mantra.

Also noting that we played purer 4-4-2 back then. Later on, there were seasons we went into the season with less than 4 senior/ first team central forwards. Had to loan Larsson, when Saha's fitness went uncertain mid season. Also Rooney's season as an out out no9, where his injury and dropped form led to our season goals failed as our other main first team forward in Berbatov failed to deliver

Edit:

Fergie set the standard in 98-99, keeping four strikers hungry and happy at the same. He was the original master of rotation. Others like Benitez tried and failed to get the same out of so called back up players.

 

[K2K]

would take shaw and love martial.

please arrange. thanks.

We wouldn't even sell you that awful Heinze.

 

[togg]

As usual this is all controlling the media. Unfortunately football has become the bitch for the general media which means it's becoming more about sound bites and click bates that it ever has before, even in Fergies time and it was pretty bad then but so much worse now. I don't really trust anything that is interpreted or analysed by the general media anymore. I'm sure there are some truths..but generally I feel it's a journalist trying to get on the back page. And to fair...I would do it if I had that job. There is no doubt that Mourinho is certainly controlled to a certain extent by the cooperate machine that is United, more so now than even recently in LVG's era. It's no longer a football club.....it's a huge business, mafioso time. I know to a certain extent because I work in the media to a small degree.

 

[clarkydaz]

There is a big difference between being physically and mentally strong. When people talk about "the United way", to me that was not the style of football or attacking play but the mental strength of the team. It was something Fergie built over a quarter of a decade and Moyes destroyed in a quarter of a season.

It's why United won leagues ahead of more talented squads, why they scored so many late goals, why they won so many big games and what no other team had in England until Chelsea under Mourinho. This is the reason I wanted Mourinho at United and if he can bring that back to the club it will lead to a successful era.

I don't normally get angry watching United any more but Shaw's performance in Turkey infuriated me. Being tentative after such a bad injury is justifiable and if he's not ready to play, that's fair enough. But it may cost him his place in the first team long term.

this really jumped out at me. The late goals, winning leagues with supposedly shit squads. Different teams, players, same manager

 

[Ban]

Jose's statement is very similar to Klopp's one on Sturridge last season. Interesting to see if the media afford Jose the same ride they gave Klopp, I very much doubt it.

Whatever Klopp says is cool and funny you know.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

This is not a big deal.

His players aren't performing up to scratch, so he is questioning them to make them angry at Mourinho. Anger is a great motivator. He wants them to prove him wrong, so he's saying this in the media. If they don't perform after this then he knows who is and who isn't mentally weak.

If that was really true, he has mistimed it horribly. I'd rather he did that after the international break

 

[sunama]

If it's Shaw, I'd much rather keep him than Mourinho. I expect him to last more than 3 years in a best case scenario

So, you would rather we keep an overweight 20 year old, who barely played in his first season, because he was too unfit.
In the next season, he was injured (fair enough).
And in his 3rd season, he is over-weight.
Somebody said that he hired a personal trainer, to get him in shape. Well, why is he so overweight right now?

Since Fergie left, the players have more power than the manager and we can't win games consistently, because players think they are too special to give their all in some matches. They know that if things get really bad, the manager will take the fall (sack), while they will continue to rake the money in. Under Fergie, the players knew that Fergie would never get sacked, so the players would either succeed or be sold. In 2015, if the players perform badly, the manager gets sacked. Hopefully, Jose will change this.

 

[SkeppyRed]

I believe it was the Fat Spanish Waiter who revolutionized the squad rotation. Then Wenger with playing reserve/ U21 squad in easier league Cup/ FA Cup games. SAF is more of a great adaptionist. he learned new methods, then adapt to his management. Before the mid 00s, we didn't rotate that much. Pretty much same line up weak in week out.

He upped his game and followed the good. Nothing is perfect in the end.

Fergie set the standard in 98-99, keeping four strikers hungry and happy at the same. He was the original master of rotation. Others like Benitez tried and failed to get the same out of so called back up players.

 

[liamp]

Hiring Mourinho was the worst decision your club could have possibly made.

Imagine a scenario where Bayern didn't have a Reschke (or Sammer before him) and if Rummenigge was mostly oriented towards the commercial side of the club. Imagine you're hiring a coach not just to coach the first team, but to also do the job of Reschke and part of the job of Rummenigge. Could United have hired anyone else who was available capable of doing that?

 

[donkeyfish]

Mate, there is no "if" about it. Have you not watched us over the last 3 seasons?

I just dislike the absoluteness when talking about other people and their minds. It is not easy to infer traits of personality from the outside.

I agree with you in that it is exactly what it looks like, but sometimes the world is deceptive.

 

[Hammerfell]

Hiring Mourinho was the worst decision your club could have possibly made.

It's pretty obviously not, but carry on.

 

[Smores]

Im with him on this, if there's players who think they can just have a rest when not 100% and then walk back into the team then feck em. This isnt a club to play at being a top player its about winning things.

 

[K2K]

I'm starting to hate these little digs at our own players in public by Mourinho. They're becoming way too many.

Just like we ask of players to show strength and character in these though times, the same should be asked of our manager.

Clear and sort your issues privately. We and the world don't needs to know about all the ugly things going on with certain players.

The manager feels hurt and he's quick to whine about it in public. He should be leading by example and show character in these dreadful periods.

This is like the 5th dig Mou has had about some of his players.Stop that nonsense ffs, that's how rifts start.

One dig was understandable. Ok some players need a kick then it became constant which show a poor attitude from the manager himself.

Sort yourself out first Mourinho.

Van Gaal protected some of this players.

Said players then threw him under the bus in media interviews just a few weeks after Louis had left.

Our players get away with far too much.If we don't nip it in the bud,we'll need another manager soon.And this players will get another reprieve because ''players need a chance under new management''

 

[gulli_G]

Love it , since Keane we haven't had someone who says it how it is, we have some right softies in our team. I think we were fantastic today, even Rooney was better than usual.

 

[Ban]

Hiring Mourinho was the worst decision your club could have possibly made.

Bollocks.

 

[K2K]

i get what everyone is saying that he needs to change the culture.

But why does he have to do it infront of the camera?

Shouldn't he be addressing this behind closed doors?

Feels it's hypocritical by him continuously airing this publicly.

Klopp did the same with Sturridge.

Pep has done it with Nasri.

Managers do criticize players in public for different reasons.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Klopp did the same with Sturridge.

Pep has done it with Nasri.

Managers do criticize players in public for different reasons.

I did not like when those guys did it either. We need to stop doing that thing where any criticism of Mourinho is praise of Pep or Klopp eff those guys. The cult following those two is nauseating.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Klopp did the same with Sturridge.

Pep has done it with Nasri.

Managers do criticize players in public for different reasons.

It has not done Nasri any harm in the end. He has got himself into shape and is playing really well for Seville. He took it the right way and has reinvented himself.

 

[K2K]

You guys are so hive-minded and reactionary and this is the exact reason why Jose keeps throwing players under the bus every time the results go wrong. Did this at Real, did this at Chelsea and now he is repeating the same pattern.

I get it, results are going bad so we all need to grab our pitchforks and throw someone into the fire and he's obliging those fans by giving them your scapegoats.

What exactly does he gain by questioning the commitment of a player in the media? He's trying to deflect the blame off of himself when every other new manager has brought optimism and strong results to their clubs despite lesser transfer budgets than him and he is doing his best to deflect pressure and get the fans on his side. You don't see Conte or Pep calling out their players, hell Moreno shit himself nearly every minute he's been on the pitch, costing Liverpool all the points they dropped so far this season and Klopp has been nothing short of supportive of him.

We've had one of the greatest man managers of all time managing this club and even at his direst hour, he never ever threw his players out to media criticism. The closest we got was when Rooney was being an utterly unbelievable twat mongering for a contract extension. Yet you cannot identify a desperate manager when you see one.

The players are perfectly fine, they need to be managed for what they are. Otherwise, if its Shaw and Mkhitaryan today, who knows who's going to be next when the results falter and those players are not at the club anymore?

is this the same Pep that was calling out Nasri 3 months ago?

Or is that a different Pep?

 

[K2K]

I did not like when those guys did it either. We need to stop doing that thing where any criticism of Mourinho is praise of Pep or Klopp eff those guys. The cult following those two is nauseating.

Fergie did the same with Nani.

Sometimes it's a necessary evil.

 

[bosnian_red]

I did not like when those guys did it either. We need to stop doing that thing where any criticism of Mourinho is praise of Pep or Klopp eff those guys. The cult following those two is nauseating.

Fergie did it plenty of times with other players though. Van Gaal did the same thing with Shaw. Some people need handling in different ways. Doesn't really matter if you like it or not (not sure why you wouldn't anyway), they're professional footballers and should be able to handle criticism and should have the mentality to fight back. Otherwise, they really aren't cut out for a club like United. I personally like the tough love approach more and feel like it tends to bring out stronger personalities out of players and a squad as a whole. If they can't handle it, then why would we want them at the club? That's a sure fire way to not ever be successful, having a squad full of weak personalities.

 

[sammsky1]

Im liking these recent comments from Mourinho. Making clear that he is the boss, that its his way or out. I dont care if the victim is Luke Shaw, Paul Pogba or any other young starlet with ideas above his abilities.

Our players needs to jump off a cliff if it benefits the team, toughen up mentally and be the hardest working squad in English football.

Fully behind the manager in every and any decision he thinks is right.

 

[JPRouve]

Van Gaal did the same thing with Shaw

Do people remember that Van gaal blamed England's staff?

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Fergie did the same with Nani.

Sometimes it's a necessary evil.

We also need to stop that "Ferguson is exactly the same as Mourinho" thing people have been doing.

 

[K2K]

It has not done Nasri any harm in the end. He has got himself into shape and is playing really well for Seville. He took it the right way and has reinvented himself.

Our players are really soft.

Once you fire manager after manager and players know they will be retained,you are just asking for trouble.

People make it sound like Fergie mollycoddled players when he first got here.He had people spy over the players to keep them in check. He changed a drinking culture which will not have gone down well either.

There is something obviously wrong with this group. We need a change in culture.

 

[R'hllor]

Chelsea's extra-time hero Branislav Ivanovic was singled out for special praise by Jose Mourinho after the Serbian defender's display during the Blues' Capital One Cup semi-final victory over Liverpool.

Mourinho claimed Ivanovic has the mentality of a champion and will tell the Chelsea defender to present his blood filled boot to the young academy players to show them how to be a winner.
‘He has lots of blood and the boot is completely full of red blood and it should go straight to the academy,' Mourinho explained.

Chelsea captain John Terry says he has not been fully fit for five years and is no longer willing to spend his retirement in a wheelchair counting his medals.

It was revealed this week that Terry could be out for months due to a nerve problem in his right leg and he now believes that he must remedy the problem before resuming his career.

“The last time I played fit? Maybe five years, maybe more,” he told the Daily Mail. “I can’t really remember.

“If you can take an anti-inflammatory and struggle through, you do. A lot of players would tell you that, and it happens most weeks. Games are not so bad because the adrenaline keeps you going, but training on a daily basis when every time you move it hurts – that is a real battle.

“The pain from this injury is the worst I’ve had. There is no way I can continue but, even on Sunday against Sunderland as the goals were going in, I was thinking, ‘If I had played one more game, could I have made a difference?’

“I know a lot of people thought I was just ducking out of England but would be back to play for Chelsea against Birmingham, but no. I’m 30 next month and I’ve got to start looking after myself.

“It’s funny – I was reading what I said about ending up in a wheelchair the other day and I thought to myself, ‘You know what, mate? That’s probably not your best plan’. I still say if the ball is there to be won I will go for it, whether with my head or whatever, and if it means us scoring or stopping a goal I won’t think twice.

“But counting medals in a wheelchair? I’d rather play with my kids in the garden, thank you very much. I hope people will appreciate that. I’d like to rethink the wheelchair idea, please.”


He relayed an anecdote when, in a 3-0 victory over Manchester United on the day Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea won the title in 2005-06, Wayne Rooney caught Terry’s ankle.

“It was pouring with blood,” he said. “I had ten stitches at half-time and an injection to numb it. I didn’t really want to go off, but every now and then I’d have a sly look at the bench, thinking he might want to take me off because we were winning well by then.

“[Mourinho] wouldn’t even look at me. Didn’t give me the time of day. He was in one of those moods – ‘Nobody can mess with us, nobody can compete with us, nobody can mess with our heads’. By the end, I had the same attitude.

“I took pride staying on. I thought, ‘I’m going to get through this. I’m going to be there right until the end’, but by then I was out of it. I couldn’t walk. I could barely stand up.”...

Even tho i understand the demand but not sure that way is 100% positive for long term relationships with players. Guess players react differently,some would like more to see that their managers care for their well being,dunno.

 

[K2K]

We also need to stop that "Ferguson is exactly the same as Mourinho" thing people have been doing.

Hes not.

That's why I gave two other separate examples of world class managers doing the same thing.

 

[dogwithabone]

Love it , since Keane we haven't had someone who says it how it is, we have some right softies in our team. I think we were fantastic today, even Rooney was better than usual.

Agree. The club needs shaking out of its slumber and in my opinion it was only a matter of time before he comes out with this sort of stuff. Without really knowing most of the players on a personal level he couldn't really lay into them until about now but his feet are under the table now and it will be a case of fastening your seat belt because this ride is going to get rockier until he has his own team.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

This is why Mourinho never stays at a club for more than 3 years. His attitude is too intense for some players and those players then spread their hateful feelings to the rest of the team until everyone gives up.

Fergie was able to manage that expertly. I don't think Mourinho has learnt to do the same.

 

[ti vu]

Even tho i understand the demand but not sure that way is 100% positive for long term relationships with players. Guess players react differently,some would like more to see that their managers care for their well being,dunno.

Sound like 2 most successful PL managers (up to this date) share a similar trait, demand for their players.

This is why Mourinho never stays at a club for more than 3 years. His attitude is too intense for some players and those players then spread their hateful feelings to the rest of the team until everyone gives up.

Fergie was able to manage that expertly. I don't think Mourinho has learnt to do the same.

You could have been talking about Real madrid and Chelsea here, 2 clubs with trigger happy person in power.

Mourinho left Porto and Inter on the high, chasing supposed bigger challenges. There is no evidence, he would fail at Porto and Inter had he stayeed the third year with the right backing.

At Chelsea and Real, Mourinho was not afforded full backing.

 

[littlepeasoup]

In lots of ways, it's to our detriment that we didn't bring in Jose sooner, especially if the board was planning to bring him in anyway.

He would have had a half season to properly work with the players and before even one transfer window properly assess the ones he wanted to work with. I've got a feeling that there would have been a few more players that would have made way if he had had even a few months with them before the summer.

 

[R'hllor]

Sound like 2 most successful PL managers (up to this date) share a similar trait, demand for their players.

Its not even close to be the same.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

In lots of ways, it's to our detriment that we didn't bring in Jose sooner, especially if the board was planning to bring him in anyway.

He would have had a half season to properly work with the players and before even one transfer window properly assess the ones he wanted to work with. I've got a feeling that there would have been a few more players that would have made way if he had had even a few months with them before the summer.

He kept a big squad because of Europa League. He has made that obvious.

 

[ti vu]

Its not even close to be the same.

Reading older generations of SAF's players: Bruce, Keane, Ince, Robson... it's similar mentality.

 

[littlepeasoup]

He kept a big squad because of Europa League. He has made that obvious.

Not to say that he couldn't have replaced the players he wanted to get rid of.