Couple good posts tbh. He wants to see a reaction from players like Shaw, Smalling, Mikhi. If he doesn't, then he will filter them out and sell them. He didn't hesitate to throw Jones in the mix and he praised him for it after he has been out for a year. This is Mou's kind of player.
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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Couple good posts tbh. He wants to see a reaction from players like Shaw, Smalling, Mikhi. If he doesn't, then he will filter them out and sell them. He didn't hesitate to throw Jones in the mix and he praised him for it after he has been out for a year. This is Mou's kind of player.
Don't think it will have a negative effect this time. He has backed the team he picked, so that will have given them a boost, Herrera was banned but Jose has shown faith in him. He will be on Jose's side. It's funny that Jones came out after the game and said he wanted to have aches and pains after the game. That it didn't matter. The other players might be of the same opinion as Jose, that sometimes you have to have pain to end up winning. They might be tired of ones who are always moaning about aching limbs. You're a footballer, it is part of the job.
But as I said in an earlier post, who or what has it helped? All it's done is created a sh1t storm. You might be right on the whiney little kids comment, but is this really the best way to fix it? I just think he could have gone about this in a more sensible way. He's showing himself to be no better than the people he's having a pop at who, by the way, know their own bodies better than Jose does.
Where's the sh1t storm?
It hasn't created a shit storm. As he's said, it has helped him learn who he can trust and who he can't. This will toughen up the players in question, and if it doesn't then it makes his job far easier in trimming the squad.
He eluded to a culture - ie not denying they're in pain but having the willingness to play through it. Something Evra, Vidic, even Jones would be well associated with doing. He's not trying to say he knows their bodies better than they do, he's basically saying if they ask to be pulled out because of something soft, they can do one.
Shearer on Smalling and Shaw
Alan Shearer has a theory about Smalling and Shaw.
The game has moved on. Players are paid a hell of a lot more money and don’t have to put themselves under pressure and stress to go out and play.
Alan Shearer has a theory about Smalling and Shaw.
The game has moved on. Players are paid a hell of a lot more money and don’t have to put themselves under pressure and stress to go out and play.
Feck me I didn't realise he'd mentioned those three. I don't have a problem with him giving the players a kick up the backside, but don't go and put your trust in players that are patently untrustworthy.
Nobody can rely on Phil Jones - he'll learn that sooner rather than later. Carrick and Rooney have been leading the dressing room all the time this sense of entitlement has festered within it, and LVG trusted them to his detriment. So I hope to God he doesn't repeat that mistake.
Well, he didn't really had a choice did he? The defence is in shambles (midfielders, wingers, wingbacks are playing there) and 2 of the few natural defenders he's got had decided to pull out because of 'injury'.
I've been saying it for years. Our defence is way overrated. There's a reason why our 'top quality' defenders weren't able to push an ageing Vidic/Rio out of the team and the solution won't be sorted by adding squad players like Rojo/Darmian or move wingers/midfielders there. Its time we have an honest look at the defence. Jones will never recover, Rojo is not good enough, Blind is not a CB, Smalling lacks football intelligence to lead the defense and Shaw is good but not as good not to bring in some solid competition for that role. Mou has a choice between playing a catenacchio sort of game as LVG did or add top quality defenders.
Nah, its human nature. People may become sloppy if they think that they got a job for life and has no competition for their place. I wonder if the oaf would be interested in losing his first team place if he had Bailly and Gimenez breathing at his neck instead of a makeshift left back, a CM and an injury prone defender.
That's true. The options we have in defence are terrible and nobody is under any type of real pressure. That has to change.
This.
I'm not saying every player should be Bryan Robson but c'mon, given how rubbish we've been over the last three years its right we ask for more commitment from our players.
Guardiola at Munich:
On the mole:
It was also rumoured that he played both Boateng and Ribery whilst injured which led to them aggravating their injuries and staying out of the team for longer.
Klopp on Sturridge:
On the mole:
It was also rumoured that he played both Boateng and Ribery whilst injured which led to them aggravating their injuries and staying out of the team for longer.
Klopp on Sturridge:
Pogba wasn't fully fit and was limping when he went back to Manchester after Thursday game. Pogba said it's not gone but he was free enough to play. Also said it's in the head (think he meant mentality).
exactly. Also there's plenty of hype surrounding young players these days. Take Shaw as an example. Everyone speaks about him as the next coming of the Christ. Sure he's got talent however he has not proven anything just yet. Same with Smalling and Jones. They won their first team place not because they were better then competition but simply because the first teamers of the time simply grew too old to do the job. That's not good enough
Problem is they believe the hype and the people surrounding them massage their egos. Jose took a swipe at the hangers on.
I blame the board for not getting Jose in last January when it was inevitable that LVG was heading for the door. Instead of him having half of last season to figure out our squad issues, Mourinho is now stuck doing it this season instead.
Delete these QUICK! Mourinho is the worst manager, the worst!
Lets be honest here, if Wenger, Conte, Klopp or Pochettino were making similar comments we would be talking how they are cracking up. Something is seriously wrong at the club, it's worrying.
Having said that, its a risky strategy. No manager can survive a revolt not even Mou. In my opinion he should just shut up and he should bring new players in. Once Smalling and Shaw have some solid competition then they would have to either step up or fade away on the bench (to minor clubs)
Because it is Mourinho; I'm honestly not even sure I believe the premise that Shaw complained about playing partly injured.
If he has truly identified a lack of commitment from x or y player, then I'd be of the opinion to deal with it in-house, in public say the player is injured for a month. Once he decides the player is not going to show improvement, let him go, and come out with the truth.
If he has truly identified a lack of commitment from x or y player, then I'd be of the opinion to deal with it in-house, in public say the player is injured for a month. Once he decides the player is not going to show improvement, let him go, and come out with the truth.
Reports today should be on the match - instead the BBC headline for United is 'Mourinho questions Smalling and Shaw' while the other sides get praised for their on field performances. Are you happy for us to be constantly discussed in such a negative manner? I'm not.
wtf? Klopp and Pep can never do anything wrong!! This is bullshit.
I really dont care and I dont see it as negative. Players will get the message.
And its hardly a sh1t storm.
In a way, now is the time to say it. Most of the players are away on International duty so it will give the ones who are 'injured' time to get themselves 'fit' while the media are concentrating on England.
I don't think that is a shit storm. Its more of a shit storm if he didn't call them out and we let our culture rot further.
I haven't even quoted him publicly slating Yaya and his agent, or publicly saying Nasri is overweight, that was just a few months ago.
Every manager does it, it's just Jose is made to be the devil incarnate when he does it.
All that's wrong is Mourinho has inherited a few players who don't share his values. Next summer he will rectify that.
All that is wrong at the club is that the players have been allowed to rule the roost in the last three seasons previous to this one. They have forgotten that the manager is the boss and not them. Some are going to learn a very harsh lesson.
This.
Don't use facts to try and change that though. As you highlight, the Mourinho haters have already decided that he's either mad or bad.
Most of our players have not been here for all three seasons.
That's true. However most of the players brought in the past 3 years were their manager's pet. Fellaini (Moyes), Valdes, Depay, Blind and Bastian (LVG) and now Ibra (Mou). We've got this mess up of players, brought by different managers to suit their agenda (rather then for the good of the team) and whom we're struggle to get rid off.
How can people encourage such behavior from the manager toward his own players when we have past occurrences as proof of such erratic behavior only heading for disaster.
He lost both his previous jobs because of shit he's trying to do right now. Fecking useless and petty wars with his own players, trying to annihilate certain players, publicly flogging them. We've seen this script before with the same man twice and they all had a similar ending.
The more I sit here and think how this very day could have been mostly dominated by talks about our performance against Swansea but instead the talks are about shaming some of our players, negative vibe around despite a decent win in a while.
These are the times we should grab at any opportunity to get a positive feel, good headlines about our club after going through countless weeks of dooms. But nope, let's throw the players and everyone effort away after a pretty decent win and turn everything around the club into some drama. An outsider might think "well the media and detractors are really out to get them(United) if they can still find something negative to say about the club after a good victory" but as it turned out IT'S OUR OWN MANAGER THAT JUST STARTED THIS MESS BY RUNNING HIS MOUTH.
People have to stop lying to themselves if they think Mourinho current approach to things ever resulted in some positive reaction from everyone. These things always head for disaster.
Right now he's really not into deep which means things can still be smoothed over. Continue on this war path against your OWN players and it's Madrid-Chelsea all over again.
He lost both his previous jobs because of shit he's trying to do right now. Fecking useless and petty wars with his own players, trying to annihilate certain players, publicly flogging them. We've seen this script before with the same man twice and they all had a similar ending.
The more I sit here and think how this very day could have been mostly dominated by talks about our performance against Swansea but instead the talks are about shaming some of our players, negative vibe around despite a decent win in a while.
These are the times we should grab at any opportunity to get a positive feel, good headlines about our club after going through countless weeks of dooms. But nope, let's throw the players and everyone effort away after a pretty decent win and turn everything around the club into some drama. An outsider might think "well the media and detractors are really out to get them(United) if they can still find something negative to say about the club after a good victory" but as it turned out IT'S OUR OWN MANAGER THAT JUST STARTED THIS MESS BY RUNNING HIS MOUTH.
People have to stop lying to themselves if they think Mourinho current approach to things ever resulted in some positive reaction from everyone. These things always head for disaster.
Right now he's really not into deep which means things can still be smoothed over. Continue on this war path against your OWN players and it's Madrid-Chelsea all over again.
Well, if I was him, I would have kept it quiet until the end of the season (ie when they can do minimum damage). Once a journalist asks me why I've spent 100m in the defense despite having the English Beckenbauer and Maldini available I would simply say that I didn't felt that they were doing enough to justify their first team place.
Remember back when Mourinho was a "tactician"?
Pretty much this.
In fact most people on here weren't seeing any of Mou public slaying of his players at Chelsea acceptable. Closing your eyes and pretending some very bad and unnecessary actions from the manager are what needed to magically resurrect us is downright delusional.
Jose never takes responsibility for his mistakes and blames whomever or whatever is convient.
Just look at his two left back comment the other day. He's telling them they are insufficient yet he's the one that choose to play them at CB.
Just look at his two left back comment the other day. He's telling them they are insufficient yet he's the one that choose to play them at CB.
Well put
feck me @Santoryo... broken record or what? We get it, you don't like things out in public. Well the thing is, a lot of us don't mind.
I accept that some people don't like it, why can't you just give it a rest and accept that not everyone feels the same rather than wasting your time repeating the same points again and again and again?
I think the fact that the comments have been getting worse week by week, it's starting to snowball, Jose looks like a man deeply under pressure and it's getting to him. Sincerely hope he turns it around.
But, but, what about the media?!