Let's all Laugh at England

Okay. Here is what English fans need to understand. There are supporters of Manchester United outside England (surprised!) and we have our national team too which we support.
This doesn't make us lesser fans of united than you lot.
Frankly , I don't give a flying feck about England team apart from United players but traveling English fans are a nightmare. I usually like British people and their sense of humor but I don't know what is it about football that they turn into absolutely cretin.

So all in all we don't hate English team but it's okay if they lose while still being an United fan.
 
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mariachi-19 said:
You’re being laughed at... nobody gives a flying feck about the English football team or their deluded fans. You’ve been the overrated laughing stock of world football for the past 52 years.

You literally had a generation of world class players in every position (bar keeper) and completely fecked it, and this World Cup, had the easiest possible route to a final you’re ever likely to have, and fecked that too. All the while crapping on about “football coming home”. England fans are literally the Liverpool fans of world football.

Perhaps if your lot didn’t take themselves so seriously you might actually get some respect.
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Yes you are somewhat correct in that we didn't take our chance with an easyish route, that said it allowed the country to fall in love with football again and actually believe in the manager and see players working together outside of their club cliques, now stop being such a bitter cnut and wind your neck in, twat.
 
Nikhil said:
You say England had a generation of world class players in every position, which isn't exactly true. They were very good players, but not world class. World class in 2006 would be Pirlo, Henry, Zidane. England had Peter Crouch, Hargreaves, Joe Cole, Sol Campbell amongst others. Good yes, but not world class.
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So you're saying Rio wasn't world class? Gerrard and Lampard were not? Rooney wasn't? cAshley Cole and Gary Neville not world class at the time?

It's as if you picked backups and compared them to genuine world class performers from other nations to make some kind of bizarre supporting point.

Meanwhile, Hargreaves 2006 version was not the 2009 United hospice version. He was quite fecking good, good enough to be a regular for Bayern and England. World class perhaps not but it's not like he's some random Panamanian bloke slogging it in MLS or wherever.
 
AgentP said:
As far as Germany and Spain are concerned, there's one huge difference. Half of the players in the respective teams come from Bayern, Barca and Real. For England, it's just Young and Lingard starting from United. The key players in the English team are from Spurs and City.
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Good point. Reminds me of the time when England used to field the Nevilles, Beckham, Scholes and Sheringham, or G. Neville, Ferdinand, Beckham and Rooney. I was basically a de facto England fan.
 
I am disappointed, but not angry for a change. I feel really optimistic that at long last England have a future and a good one. Onwards and upwards Gareth.
 
Giggs86 said:
Good point. Reminds me of the time when England used to field the Nevilles, Beckham, Scholes and Sheringham, or G. Neville, Ferdinand, Beckham and Rooney. I was basically a de facto England fan.
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Yeah exactly. This is the first tournament that I'm supporting some other team. Even in the Euros, we had Rooney as captain.
 
In the end, Southgate cost you the game with his inability to change tactics after acroatia started dominating midway through the first half.

Forget Kane's one-off chance, your lack of change cost you the game.
 
Slevs said:
In the end, Southgate cost you the game with his inability to change tactics after acroatia started dominating midway through the first half.

Forget Kane's one-off chance, your lack of change cost you the game.
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I didn't get to see the match but an ESPN FC post-match mentioned something about this tactical change.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-wor...thrive-in-extra-time-to-reach-world-cup-final

---The break refreshed the Croatians, and they started the second half with greater energy and purpose. At that stage, Southgate missed the chance to make the change that would enable England to regain control of midfield.

Jordan Henderson was being asked to do the job of two men, and it was punishing work, with Luka Modric and Ivan Rakitic dictating play. When Southgate finally made the change late in the second half, it was to replace Henderson with Eric Dier rather than support him.---
 
However, it's nice to see an England team play with a system after so many years of throwing world class players together and hoping they create magic. Almost all the previous England teams had little to no actual gameplan for specific games.

This team looks like it has a plan of how it wants to play. Quick interchanging passes through the front 3 to free up Kane. It's a good plan that worked in almost all the games but change was needed when Croatia figured out how to counter the system.
 
MrMarcello said:
Didn't the 98 squad have six players from United?

Like 30% of the squad that.
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IIRC just 4 or 5 - G. Neville, Beckham, Scholes and Sheringham. Maybe i'm forgetting someone.

But still, I don't know how any United fan could cheer against a team that had 4/5 United players in the starting 11.
 
MrMarcello said:
I didn't get to see the match but an ESPN FC post-match mentioned something about this tactical change.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-wor...thrive-in-extra-time-to-reach-world-cup-final

---The break refreshed the Croatians, and they started the second half with greater energy and purpose. At that stage, Southgate missed the chance to make the change that would enable England to regain control of midfield.

Jordan Henderson was being asked to do the job of two men, and it was punishing work, with Luka Modric and Ivan Rakitic dictating play. When Southgate finally made the change late in the second half, it was to replace Henderson with Eric Dier rather than support him.---
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True. Henderson was covering 2 CM positions. It's great and will work when you're controlling the game and not under immense pressure in central midfield but against a world class midfield that is slowly starting to take control, you need two in there along with the help of Lingard (energy player who will cover and hastle the third midfielder). Instead, Southgate changed a like for like (Henderson vs Dier)
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Really :confused: You're not happy that our main summer resigning business is already done?
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If our business is done we are well in trouble. Back to England, think this should be it for Young. The Euros are in two years and Gareth should now be trying to get some more younger players in and let the progress together.
 
Laugh as much as you want. We reached a semi final and you bitter lot didn’t.

You can say we had an easier route. (Which we did) but them teams were there on merit. The likes of Sweden qualified over Italy and the Netherlands.

You can quite clearly see improvement under Southgate. We’re actually passing and playing out from the back, and are a team again.

If we had that bit more experience we would of beat Croatia. We should of been a few up at half time, and we dominated that first half. Against a team that was supposed to pass us of the field.

Things are looking good after the Hodgeson era. Well done England. Let the haters hate. I’m proud.
 
mariachi-19 said:
You’re being laughed at... nobody gives a flying feck about the English football team or their deluded fans. You’ve been the overrated laughing stock of world football for the past 52 years.

You literally had a generation of world class players in every position (bar keeper) and completely fecked it, and this World Cup, had the easiest possible route to a final you’re ever likely to have, and fecked that too. All the while crapping on about “football coming home”. England fans are literally the Liverpool fans of world football.

Perhaps if your lot didn’t take themselves so seriously you might actually get some respect.
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:lol:

Are you okay? You seem a little angry. The ability to miss the irony in "It's coming home" is amazing.
 
cyril C said:
But do Italy/Spain/German talk up their chances and expect winning the WC even before tournament started? Beside, Italy/Spain/German did win the Cup before in past 20 years, when was England? Do you expect Sweden talk about bringing WC home?
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Literally no-one in England thought we would win the World Cup before the tournament, revisionism at its best.

We thought Italy or The Netherlands were more likely to win it than us.
 
I think there were some positives but some of the old BS cropped back into it. England are NOT a great footballing team. Even if they had have won the World Cup, it would be questionable whether they've changed much. Southgate done well but England lack energy. They lack a buzz. They lack fight. You get there 'oh we're going to win the cup' type bs which only adds pretty even if it's semi serious. A complete change needs to Occur in regards to England. There are no magicians. No tricky wingers that actually PLAY well for any sustained period for England. There are not great passing movements. Often they are happy to pass back then to always seek. England have ZERO football identity because there is very little you can rely on re England. Some good players but there's no spark at all and maybe winning a penalty shootout for the first time in the world cup will help them but Belgium beating Brazil didn't help them...There is no real reason why England couldn't have beaten Croatia but Croatia were probably one of the good teams they faced. England LACK someone like Perisic - who some don't rate but in Championships for Croatia, he's valuable with his pace and his direct play while England pick names and persist with them for too long even if they just don't perform
 
tenpoless said:
The next time England NT is doing well in major competition, people need to shut up. Only go crazy when the team is actually in the final, not QF, not SF and definitely not during the fecking group stage. Hyping your team and placing huge expectations on them will only add unnecessary pressure and make you look stupid when the team gets knocked out.
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Nope, not having that. Getting to a world cup Semi Final for the first time in nearly 30 years when we've gotten used to going out in the group stages or not even qualifying for tournaments is worth getting excited about.
 
Striker10 said:
I think there were some positives but some of the old BS cropped back into it. England are NOT a great footballing team. Even if they had have won the World Cup, it would be questionable whether they've changed much. Southgate done well but England lack energy. They lack a buzz. They lack fight. You get there 'oh we're going to win the cup' type bs which only adds pretty even if it's semi serious. A complete change needs to Occur in regards to England. There are no magicians. No tricky wingers that actually PLAY well for any sustained period for England. There are not great passing movements. Often they are happy to pass back then to always seek. England have ZERO football identity because there is very little you can rely on re England. Some good players but there's no spark at all and maybe winning a penalty shootout for the first time in the world cup will help them but Belgium beating Brazil didn't help them...There is no real reason why England couldn't have beaten Croatia but Croatia were probably one of the good teams they faced. England LACK someone like Perisic - who some don't rate but in Championships for Croatia, he's valuable with his pace and his direct play while England pick names and persist with them for too long even if they just don't perform
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We might have picked names in the past, but that is not the case now. Also most of this side are pretty young and in footballing terms pretty inexperienced. I do think Gareth should have made changes earlier, but the anti-England fans were saying it was strange how Croatia didn't make changes either. I am really proud of this team and I think other countries are now going down the former England route of picking players who really should be put out to grass or do not justify their selection apart from being a big name.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
We might have picked names in the past, but that is not the case now. Also most of this side are pretty young and in footballing terms pretty inexperienced. I do think Gareth should have made changes earlier, but the anti-England fans were saying it was strange how Croatia didn't make changes either. I am really proud of this team and I think other countries are now going down the former England route of picking players who really should be put out to grass or do not justify their selection apart from being a big name.
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Well from the games I saw? I don't think Alli or Sterling especially deserved to play as much as they did because these are key players who offered very little in any game. For me it's not just about squad selection. During a tournament, if someones playing poor? You have to give someone else a chance. Sterling was a big disappointment especially because he's meant to run at players and offer a threat and he didn't do it so England suffered offensively and become more reliant on set pieces. Perisic gets stick etc - but put him in this England team and they would be in the final. A great player always knows what's required and a top manager would tell these players to change their natural ways because they don't work. Sterling will score 15 plus for city next season and maybe play well but for England? Just don't see that same player
 
Fantastic tournament from England. They should all be proud of themselves and I don't see any harm in fans singing "it's coming home". It's a fecking song you cretins. Do United fans actually believe that they are "the pride of all Europe" while they're stinking out the Premier League with Louis Van Gal, David Moyes and a not very impressive three European Cups? Of course we don't. It's a song.
 
fergies coat said:
Laugh as much as you want. We reached a semi final and you bitter lot didn’t.

You can say we had an easier route. (Which we did) but them teams were there on merit. The likes of Sweden qualified over Italy and the Netherlands.

You can quite clearly see improvement under Southgate. We’re actually passing and playing out from the back, and are a team again.

If we had that bit more experience we would of beat Croatia. We should of been a few up at half time, and we dominated that first half. Against a team that was supposed to pass us of the field.

Things are looking good after the Hodgeson era. Well done England. Let the haters hate. I’m proud.
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caaam on ingurland, scoore sam fakiin goool
 


Why were Lingard and Rashford trying to score while Croatia were celebrating? :lol:
 
Striker10 said:
Well from the games I saw? I don't think Alli or Sterling especially deserved to play as much as they did because these are key players who offered very little in any game. For me it's not just about squad selection. During a tournament, if someones playing poor? You have to give someone else a chance. Sterling was a big disappointment especially because he's meant to run at players and offer a threat and he didn't do it so England suffered offensively and become more reliant on set pieces. Perisic gets stick etc - but put him in this England team and they would be in the final. A great player always knows what's required and a top manager would tell these players to change their natural ways because they don't work. Sterling will score 15 plus for city next season and maybe play well but for England? Just don't see that same player
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The Sterling thing might come to a head, but for that to happen Rashford really does need to step up. He blows too hot and cold for me at times. I think Alli is carrying a knock and I would have brought RLC in, so I do agree with you there.
 
kps88 said:


Why were Lingard and Rashford trying to score while Croatia were celebrating? :lol:
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If every player from a single team is outside the pitch, the opposing team has the right to start the game and attack immediately or something like that.

I swear i read it here (think it England vs Panama)
 
RedChisel said:
If this is the level of ridicule you receive for reaching a semi final I dread to think what it would have been like If we didn't make it out the group or got beat on pens by Colombia. We really are despised the world over aren't we.
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Indeed. All because one of our songs is a bit annoying or something.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Nope, not having that. Getting to a world cup Semi Final for the first time in nearly 30 years when we've gotten used to going out in the group stages or not even qualifying for tournaments is worth getting excited about.
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Indeed. It's been a great tournament for us. Even lifted the curse of the penalty shootout! Plenty for England fans to be happy about.
 
Incredible how joviality and carnival atmosphere are being confused with arrogance. It's a unbelievable miscalculation of what was happening in England over the past couple of week. Also, daring to believe with 2 games to go isn't a crime.

There's nothing to laugh at.

Though I am slightly tickled by the vitriol and nastiness in some of these comments. Especially from people obsessed with an English club. We're a welcoming bunch here in Manchester, but if you're going to be a fan of our club without ever having stepped foot in the Arndale, at least have the decency to not be a cnut.
 
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