Liverpool

retardman5 said:
Our good form started with the signings of Coutinho & Sturridge back in January. In fact I think our league form in the 2nd half of last season was 2nd only to Arsenal. Most people dismissed us (including a lot of Liverpool fans tbh) as potential top 4 candidates based on our 7th place finish in the league. But not many took into account the amount of work Rodgers had to do in the first place by getting rid of a lot of dross, & getting the side to play the way he wanted them too. Any side that can score 42 goals in 17 league games needs to be taken seriously. Even if one man has largely been responsible for a lot of those goals. But having said that, Daniel Sturridge hasn't been doing too badly himself. It's easy to forget that he's not played the past few games. & it's also easy to forget he was instrumental in us winning 7, drawing 2, & losing just 1 of the 10 games Suarez missed through suspension.

There's a massive air of incredulity on here at seeing Liverpool doing aswell as they are. It's probably been compounded by United's less than flattering start under new manager David Moyes. Some people are reassuring each other that Liverpool's sudden rise is only a temporary thing, & the normal cycle of us falling away will soon take place (albeit a bit later than usual). They may be proved right in the long-run, because none of us know the future. However, considering how far we've come in just a short space of time, & looking at the way we play the game. The evidence suggests that the we're very much moving in the right direction. I'd be interested to know exactly why people are so sure we can't be competing for major honours anytime soon.
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I for one am not surprised at Liverpools current position. I think they will finish right up among the money. They have the best striker in the EPL at present, they have signed some very talented players, Coutinho being one of them and Rodgers has got them playing quality football, I think the slagging off of Liverpools current position is a mixture of ignorance and blindness. I dont think this is a temporary thing and I dont think their squad is as weak in depth as others think. I remember the days when Liverpool were top of the pile and right now is the first time in over 20 years I have felt they are playing in a way which reminds me of back then. Add in the Anfield factor to a decent squad and a decent manager and Liverpool fans for the first time in a long time have every reason to be optimistic.
Decent manager, decent squad, the team is confident, they will have their off days but they are a serious danger this season.
 
MrMarcello said:
Clutching at straws, per usual by LFC fans. Clear as day a top four finish following the retirement of the GMOAT and a horrendous start to the season would be a fantastic achievement. Especially taking into account how shit Moyes is according to all the ABUs (and United fans too).

Also worth pointing the true laughter in my post would be again denying Liverpool a spot above United. Perhaps you missed that hidden meaning.
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99% of posters were expecting a title challenge when Moyes took over. Those expectations have been lowered after seeing him at work.
 
What's amazing about Ferguson's work at United though is that there is still something in the back of your mind that says, despite all of the flaws in the side and the fact they're in 8th, 'maybe they just could.'
 
SER19 said:
i agree, but if i could somehow isolate my thoughts to football reasons only, liverpool and arsenal should be ok. I dont think there is anything quite like a liverpool fan, they are just awful. paranoid, self righteous, angry, bitter, venomous, repulsive idiots. could be fantastic people in day to day life but once football is involved they are right up there among the very worst groups humankind has offered,
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Christ. :lol:
 
alastair said:
What's amazing about Ferguson's work at United though is that there is still something in the back of your mind that says, despite all of the flaws in the side and the fact they're in 8th, 'maybe they just could.'
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United will remain successful despite the Ferguson era coming to an end and there will be a point where some may have to admit that the greatest manager the English leagues have ever seen could actually sign a decent player and make a decent squad that could play football without his mystic trickery.
 
Red Dreams said:
they never were good enough to be our rivals...

now Everton are your worthy rivals...they have huge history.

read up on history.
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Sure you're a manc? Not good enough to be a rival?....from the same town? Christ.
As an LFC supporter it's either Everton or united that are the rivals. It was Everton as the main rival till united became successfull. Now it's split. Before that (1990s) united were irrelevant.
As a manc, you should know that City will always be your hated rivals.....unless you're not a manc.:D
 
BarneyLFC said:
99% of posters were expecting a title challenge when Moyes took over. Those expectations have been lowered after seeing him at work.
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you did a poll did ya? stop making up stuff....most expected some hiccup...and they were not wrong. It will be difficult because City look a lot more worth the team that is worth the money spent on them. But Moyes is getting his bearings...
 
njred said:
Sure you're a manc? Not good enough to be a rival?....from the same town? Christ.
As an LFC supporter it's either Everton or united that are the rivals. It was Everton as the main rival till united became successfull. Now it's split. Before that (1990s) united were irrelevant.
As a manc, you should know that City will always be your hated rivals.....unless you're not a manc.:D
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just say I never really respected them...except that one team late 60s. the fact is the current team is not really City...that is the point. Heck they could have pumped all that money into Fulham and they would be up there.
 
Red Dreams said:
you did a poll did ya? stop making up stuff....most expected some hiccup...and they were not wrong. It will be difficult because City look a lot more worth the team that is worth the money spent on them. But Moyes is getting his bearings...
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No, but I can read and estimate. The majority expected 1st or 2nd.
 
Red Dreams said:
nonsense. those I know expected us to finish in the top 4...and that would have been a good enough for a new manager. To win the title in the first year for a new manager is being highly optimistic. We all hope of course.
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See above. Most posters expected 1st - 3rd.

To win the league with a new manager is optimistic? Funny that, the three clear favourites before the season were City, Chelsea and United. Guess what all three had in common... they all had new managers!
 
BarneyLFC said:
No, but I can read and estimate. The majority expected 1st or 2nd.
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How can you be so sure that position still wont be United's finish ?

I expected the ship to become unsteady and also feared we may struggle to stay with the pack, as soon as the fixtures where released our position became a lot more of a concern and that was mirrored by the majority I feel. Top four was/is the aim this year but despite the poor start everyone else that will eventually challenge has also stuttered and Liverpool are taking advantage so far, as the fixtures even out and the challengers new managers feel the way business as usual will resume and the table is starting to look a little more that way and come the turn of the year you would expect a familiar pattern to start emerging. I fancy Moyes united to finish above Liverpool easily and Arsenal too, they are the Champions of England and have the experience of winning titles to call upon once the going gets tough, I have posted earlier that Ferguson actually could make a decent squad of players and at some point that point might have to be conceded.
 
gasmanc said:
How can you be so sure that position still wont be United's finish ?

I expected the ship to become unsteady and also feared we may struggle to stay with the pack, as soon as the fixtures where released our position became a lot more of a concern and that was mirrored by the majority I feel. Top four was/is the aim this year but despite the poor start everyone else that will eventually challenge has also stuttered and Liverpool are taking advantage so far, as the fixtures even out and the challengers new managers feel the way business as usual will resume and the table is starting to look a little more that way and come the turn of the year you would expect a familiar pattern to start emerging. I fancy Moyes united to finish above Liverpool easily and Arsenal too, they are the Champions of England and have the experience of winning titles to call upon once the going gets tough, I have posted earlier that Ferguson actually could make a decent squad of players and at some point that point might have to be conceded.
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I can't be. I wasn't arguing that point though. I was saying that your (your support in general) expectations this season was a title challenge. The notion that top four would be a "fantastic achievement" is a myth.
 
I fully expect united to easily be in the top 4. The talent will overcome the mistakes by moyes.
 
BarneyLFC said:
See above. Most posters expected 1st - 3rd.

To win the league with a new manager is optimistic? Funny that, the three clear favourites before the season were City, Chelsea and United. Guess what all three had in common... they all had new managers!
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missing the point I made earlier then. City and Chelsea would have been among the favourites with Micky Mouse as manager. That is why I dont give a feck if City win it...they are not City.
 
njred said:
I fully expect united to easily be in the top 4. The talent will overcome the mistakes by moyes.
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They easily could. I have them finishing 5th at the moment, but in a month's time it'll probably have changed. It's just one of those seasons.
 
njred said:
I fully expect united to easily be in the top 4. The talent will overcome the mistakes by moyes.
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Having lived through the Fergie era and all those that came before him, I would be darn happy if Moyes turned out to be close to Fergie as a manager. But the same accusation I hurled at City and Chelsea will come back to us too. I honestly think if Moyes or whoever succeeds him does not get the job done the club will eventually be sold to some money rich feck...and the United I grew up loving will cease to exist. as much as I consider Liverpool our main rivals...what would be the point of defeating all comers with a bus load of mercenaries....United, Liverpool and Arsenal have earned what we have.....
 
Red Dreams said:
nonsense. those I know expected us to finish in the top 4...and that would have been a good enough for a new manager. To win the title in the first year for a new manager is being highly optimistic. We all hope of course.
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Take a look around the forums from before the season started. A lot more than usual did expect us not to win the title, but a shitload were still thinking we would and very few people had us down as any lower than 3rd. I can remember a thread in the football forum with the pundits predictions, and none of them had United to win, with most predicting 3rd place for us. Our fans were saying how it was another example of people writing United off as always. Don't get me wrong, some didn't think we'd have a good season at all, but there was still an air of people underestimating us like in many previous cases, when in actual fact we're performing even worse than a lot who thought we'd struggle under Moyes expected us to.
 
BarneyLFC said:
:D

In fairness, the highest I've predicted is 3rd.
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Well there was that points prediction that was your finest hour yet. :lol:
I think United fans generally expect a title challenge, it's become ingrained in our nature due to being spoiled with success, the change in manager saw some of us realists fall in line with reality yet for some it took the bad results to hammer it home, the FF threads on Moyes early doors I don't even enter into anymore as it was laughable.
Top four for me is expected, my expectations are still quite high of this group of players and I still haven't ruled out a title challenge, see Alastair above for signs it's being realized by opposition fans, Arsenal are always the first to start shitting it though.
 
gasmanc said:
Well there was that points prediction that was your finest hour yet. :lol:
I think United fans generally expect a title challenge, it's become ingrained in our nature due to being spoiled with success, the change in manager saw some of us realists fall in line with reality yet for some it took the bad results to hammer it home, the FF threads on Moyes early doors I don't even enter into anymore as it was laughable.
Top four for me is expected, my expectations are still quite high of this group of players and I still haven't ruled out a title challenge, see Alistair above for signs it's being realized by opposition fans, Arsenal are always the first to start shitting it though.
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Indeed.

Aye, I agree United supporters have come to expect title challenges (and you should with the squad you have).
 
Definitely. Ed Wood's job is also on the line, so we have to make some great signings in the next couple of windows. We've got a lot of passengers in the squad at the minute, but a decent core group of players. Similar to Liverpool in the last few years, the only difference being that our players are used to winning trophies and know what it takes to perform over a whole season.
 
Goooose said:
It's not the best, by a long way. I reckon top 4 with Moyes leading this squad would be a great finish.
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It's by no means the worst the top four (as it stood last year) has to offer, defensively and in attack United are contenders, midfield is becoming less of a problem with emergence of Jones looking able to paper of the obvious cracks, even with a shit January window as usual I expect us to be in the mix.
The Summer window will be where united can be judged and the ability of Moyes.
 
Goooose said:
It's not the best, by a long way. I reckon top 4 with Moyes leading this squad would be a great finish.
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Anything out of the top 4 should be considered a disaster for united given the fact they won the title last season by ELEVEN POINTS. Same players.
 
gasmanc said:
It's by no means the worst the top four (as it stood last year) has to offer, defensively and in attack United are contenders, midfield is becoming less of a problem with emergence of Jones looking able to paper of the obvious cracks, even with a shit January window as usual I expect us to be in the mix.
The Summer window will be where united can be judged and the ability of Moyes.
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If you're looking for the best "proven" players (ie. Gundogan) then I wouldn't expect any January business to be done.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Apparently Sevilla are asking for £40m. He's a good player, but that's a bit much.
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I have come to the conclusion we are going to have to pay these ridiculous fees or remain desperate to solve our midfield woes, clubs will be well aware that our need is greater, and feck it, the fee's irrelevant if the player solves a 4 year old problem.
 
BarneyLFC said:
See above. Most posters expected 1st - 3rd.

To win the league with a new manager is optimistic? Funny that, the three clear favourites before the season were City, Chelsea and United. Guess what all three had in common... they all had new managers!
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Right. And guess who isn't in the CL, which makes playing in the PL quite a bit easier
 
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