Liverpool

[BobbyManc]

Here is a convenient video of the incident too.
https://mediacru.sh/XqOzKiNKTzLC
By the way does the number of laughing emoticons equal your age or your IQ?

The 3 laughing emoticons indicate neither. They indicate that what you posted made me laugh. Pretty simple logic.

In the video you so conveniently post, is Flanagan already basically touching the ground before Adrian makes the grabbing movement seen in the pic?The answer is yes, and as such, it has zero effect on anything, and also he doesn't go to grab Flanagan, it's a natural movement. Of course, when it's slowed down you can interpret it as you please but in real time there is no way it is a deliberate grab and regardless, it has no effect on Flanagan's movements.

 

[holyland red]

When you score more than everyone else, spend more time in the opposition box and have more pace up front than any defense can handle you're bound to get more penalties. Including dodgy ones. Happened for us, and there's little surprise it's happening for the best attacking side in the league this season.

 

[Pippa]

I can't believe there are some people actually suggesting it's not a penalty. Jesus, have you ever tried running at full speed and suddenly have someone slap your foot when you plant it...?

Adrian touches the ball for less than a second and then the rest is all contact against Flanagan. Obviously Flanagan has never been trained on how to make the best out of any form of contact, but there was very clearly more contact made on him than the ball.

He even knocked the ball right before the opponent touched it, just like Sturridge did last time.

is Flanagan already basically touching the ground before Adrian makes the grabbing movement seen in the pic?The answer is yes

"Already basically touching the ground before Adrian makes the grabbing movement"...lol

 

[Robbie Boy]

The 3 laughing emoticons indicate neither. They indicate that what you posted made me laugh. Pretty simple logic.

In the video you so conveniently post, is Flanagan already basically touching the ground before Adrian makes the grabbing movement seen in the pic?The answer is yes, and as such, it has zero effect on anything, and also he doesn't go to grab Flanagan, it's a natural movement. Of course, when it's slowed down you can interpret it as you please but in real time there is no way it is a deliberate grab and regardless, it has no effect on Flanagan's movements.

You are 100% right. Never ever a peno and that picture is just ridiculous; talk about clutching at straws.

 

[Red Harry]

The 3 laughing emoticons indicate neither. They indicate that what you posted made me laugh. Pretty simple logic.

In the video you so conveniently post, is Flanagan already basically touching the ground before Adrian makes the grabbing movement seen in the pic?The answer is yes, and as such, it has zero effect on anything, and also he doesn't go to grab Flanagan, it's a natural movement. Of course, when it's slowed down you can interpret it as you please but in real time there is no way it is a deliberate grab and regardless, it has no effect on Flanagan's movements.

Sure thing.
But you just moved the goalposts, in your "laughing s times" post he didn't grab his ankle, now your saying he did grab his ankle but it didn't make any difference? Do you think the goalkeeper was trying to stop him from diving by grabbing his ankle?

Anyway I am done, mingling with the "too bitter to see" bunch, probably the worst side effect of the Moyes reign is seeing a huge number of our fans lose all perspective.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Takes a bit of ball which stays in play, and then takes out El Flaninho. Still a clear penalty.

 

[BobbyManc]

Nobody can deny Flanagan is falling to the ground before the grabbing motion is made, watch it again, it is clear as day. There is no argument that Flanagan could have stayed on his feet, the momentum was always going to knock him down.

Doesn't matter if Flanagan touches the ball first or how minimal the contact on the ball from Adrian is; what matters is does he touch the ball first? The answer is yes, the contact with Flanagan comes AFTER. No penalty, simple as that really. Unless you're arguing Adrian used excessive force, which he also clearly didn't.

 

[BobbyManc]

Sure thing.
But you just moved the goalposts, in your "laughing s times" post he didn't grab his ankle, now your saying he did grab his ankle but it didn't make any difference? Do you think the goalkeeper was trying to stop him from diving by grabbing his ankle?

Anyway I am done, mingling with the "too bitter to see" bunch, probably the worst side effect of the Moyes reign is seeing a huge number of our fans lose all perspective.

"he doesn't go to grab Flanagan, it's a natural movement"

That's what I put. I never said he grabbed his ankle.

 

[B20]

Definitely touched the ball first, therefore catching the player afterwards is irrelevant provided he didn't use excessive force. It was clear as day from the way the ball moved he simply had to have got something on it, Taylor is just a horrendous ref.

sigh.

Touching the ball does not equal a legitimate tackle. You have to actually win the ball. That doesn't happen here.

 

[B20]

Here is a convenient video of the incident too.
https://mediacru.sh/XqOzKiNKTzLC
By the way does the number of laughing emoticons equal your age or your IQ?

No doubt from that angle. Keeper may touch the ball, but if he doesn't bring down flannagan afterwards, he would continue his run with the ball as if nothing had happened. Clear penalty.

 

[PickledRed]

Here is a convenient video of the incident too.
https://mediacru.sh/XqOzKiNKTzLC
By the way does the number of laughing emoticons equal your age or your IQ?

That's a pen.

 

[BobbyManc]

No doubt from that angle. Keeper may touch the ball, but if he doesn't bring down flannagan afterwards, he would continue his run with the ball as if nothing had happened. Clear penalty.

So every time a player slides in and makes contact with ball it is still a foul if momentum takes him through and he takes out the player? That's what happens on most slide tackles. Adrian touches the ball first, that's what matters. Flanagan was already going down from Adrian winning the ball, the follow through is irrelevant.

 

[Red Harry]

So every time a player slides in and makes contact with ball it is still a foul if momentum takes him through and he takes out the player? That's what happens on most slide tackles. Adrian touches the ball first, that's what matters. Flanagan was already going down from Adrian winning the ball, the follow through is irrelevant.

Flanagan touches the ball first, it hits the goalkeepers arm, and as the goalkeeper comes through he grabs at Flanagans ankle. You can't even see that Flanagan touches the ball first?

 

[B20]

So every time a player slides in and makes contact with ball it is still a foul if momentum takes him through and he takes out the player? That's what happens on most slide tackles. Adrian touches the ball first, that's what matters. Flanagan was already going down from Adrian winning the ball, the follow through is irrelevant.

No, most sliding tackles takes the ball out of the path of the opposition player and robs him of control of the ball. Ergo, legitimate tackle.

Touching the ball but the opposition player retaining control of the ball, but then being taking out by the followthrough = foul.

The point here is, Adrian didn't win the ball, he merely touched it. Flannagan was in control of it even after Adrian touches it, then gets taken down.

 

[Sixpence]

It's never a penalty. Are people not seeing the moment where the keeper knocks the ball away with his hand?

 

[BobbyManc]

No, most sliding tackles takes the ball out of the path of the opposition player and robs him of control of the ball. Ergo, legitimate tackle.

Touching the ball but the opposition player retaining control of the ball, but then being taking out by the followthrough = foul.

The point here is, Adrian didn't win the ball, he merely touched it. Flannagan was in control of it even after Adrian touches it, then gets taken down.

There's no rule stating the ball has to be knocked a certain distance or retained afterwards. All it has to be is touched first providing the challenge is a fair one. Adrian does just that. He connects with the ball before Flanagan.

 

[B20]

It's never a penalty. Are people not seeing the moment where the keeper knocks the ball away with his hand?

By knocking it away you mean touching, but the ball actually continuing along the same path as before (if anything, at a more controllable pace for the opposition player) and the player otherwise free to continue his run, but for the trailing hand on his foot?

 

[Amethyst]

Incidents like the second penalty today show why technology should only be used for the goal line, mistaken identity and maybe offside (though sometimes there's a debate over interference with play). People will still disagree even using 5 different camera angles, slow motion etc.

For what it's worth I think it was penalty.

 

[Sixpence]

By knocking it away you mean touching, but the ball actually continuing along the same path as before (if anything, at a more controllable pace for the opposition player) and the player otherwise free to continue his run, but for the trailing hand on his foot?

I have no idea what this means. All I know is that's never a penalty because the keeper gets a touch on the ball, however slight. He's got the ball.

 

[Bebe]

Let's just not do this, shall we? They're top of the league because they've been playing incredible football. A side effect of always being on the attack is winning more penalties. We're probably the perfect example of that over the past decade or two.

 

[B20]

There's no rule stating the ball has to be knocked a certain distance or retained afterwards. All it has to be is touched first providing the challenge is a fair one. Adrian does just that. He connects with the ball before Flanagan.

According to the rules of the game, you must "gain possession" of the ball for a tackle to be legitimate. In the very least, that entails dispossesing your opponent. That clearly doesn't happen here.

 

[B20]

I have no idea what this means. All I know is that's never a penalty because the keeper gets a touch on the ball, however slight. He's got the ball.

Touching the ball doesn't mean 'getting the ball'.

 

[Sixpence]

Touching the ball doesn't mean 'getting the ball'.

Again, no idea what you mean with this sentence. Sorry.

 

[Skywarden]

Let's just not do this, shall we? They're top of the league because they've been playing incredible football. A side effect of always being on the attack is winning more penalties. We're probably the perfect example of that over the past decade or two.

Aye, I for one will commend them when they lift the Sir Alex Ferguson trophy.

 

[B20]

Again, no idea what you mean with this sentence. Sorry.

It's explained in the other posts too. It's not my fault if you don't comprehend the rules.

 

[BobbyManc]

But temporarily Adrian dispossessed Flanagan. It's sheer luck that it bounced the way it did. If a player slides someone and gets the ball cleanly but the player tackled stays on his feet and comes out with ball it doesn't make the slide tackle a foul, even though the opponent remains with the ball.

 

[B20]

But temporarily Adrian dispossessed Flanagan. It's sheer luck that it bounced the way it did. If a player slides someone and gets the ball cleanly but the player tackled stays on his feet and comes out with ball it doesn't make the slide tackle a foul, even though the opponent remains with the ball.

Yes it does. It may have been sheer luck, but he wasn't dispossessed.

If sheer luck means the defender doesn't dispossess the opponent, it is nevertheless a foul. Unluckiness of the outcome doesn't change the effect.

 

[PickledRed]

I have several bets on with Liverpool fans who I'm friendly with. The bullishness levels are rising constantly and they are barely able to hold it all in. I have a few end of season bets that we/they will finish higher and I have one riskier one that we will be above them come the end of November.

Did you pay out today? The maths now means it's official.

 

[Saoirse.]

Hull, Norwich, West Ham, Tottenham and Cardiff next. Confident we'll get at least 13 points from those games. Four of those are extremely winnable and if we go into the Spurs game in good form, then who knows, they've been awful this season. If we do that and then manage to scrape a couple of points against City and Chelsea after that I'd be absolutely delighted. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we picked up 57 or 58 points against the bottom 10 this season.

Barney, for all the slagging you got for this post at the minute we have 47 against the current bottom 10 with Palace and Norwich still to play again, you weren't far off!

 

[PAW88]

Barney, for all the slagging you got for this post at the minute we have 47 against the current bottom 10 with Palace and Norwich still to play again, you weren't far off!

We did lost to Hull right after he posted that though.

Rodgers was smart to bring Lucas on. We seemed to maintain more control over the game in the second half and I didn't feel like Coutinho could have an impact on the game with the way West Ham were set up. I'd still expect all four of Sturridge, Suarez, Sterling and Coutinho to start against City though. I think we'll try and hit them early like Everton, Spurs and Arsenal. City are obviously a better side than any of those three but I'm optimistic we can get a result.

 

[Barney]

So you reckon it's basically certain you're going to win the league?

I can't imagine anyone picking up 57 or 58 out of 60 against bottom 10 and not win it.

You nutter

Jesus.

This seems to be your year then.

And it has begun again.

57-58/60 ?? Not a single team in the league will achieve that vs the bottom 10.

Am I in RAWK?

You really think it's that easy?

Oh Lord, I was starting to think that there exists a level-headed Liverpool supporter except B20* and a mate of mine, but it looks that I was wrong. Anyway, has it ever happened that a team in this league got 57-58 points against bottom 10?

* numbers after B are subject of change

Ah well, that's amused me on a boring Friday.

The boom bust cycle is a bit delayed this year. We are in November and they still think they have the best team in the all of humanity. They should've started "busting" by now.

Don't give him excuses Irscone. He meant what he said. He's a Liverpool fan, it's what they do.

That means you have 20 games, in which you drop only 5 points out of 60.

You drew away at Swansea, who are bound to finish bottom half, so that's 2 points gone already. Newcastle might well finish bottom half too, so that's another 2 right there.

So you're down to 56 already, in November.

I hate to say it, but you've got a post here that will be quoted for years to come.

It's the stupidest prediction I've seen on the caf. And I've been here for ages.

So you're saying that your prediction on the previous page of 57-58 points against the bottom 10 (since downgraded to 54-57) was completely dependent on no injuries to your 3 or 4 most important players?

Unfortunately, the Premier League operates in reality.

If we beat palace and Norwich then I was 4 off.

Had to do this.

 

[Barney]

Barney, for all the slagging you got for this post at the minute we have 47 against the current bottom 10 with Palace and Norwich still to play again, you weren't far off!

Cheers for the reminder, I was meaning to bump that post.

 

[moses]

The general consensus is that we have too many Liverpool supporting posters. Just saying.

 

[Getsme]

The general consensus is that we have too many Liverpool supporting posters. Just saying.

We really do

 

[United22]

Oh...

 

[PAW88]

The general consensus is that we have too many Liverpool supporting posters. Just saying.

Bloody mods keep promoting us don't they.

You'll have to hope that we have a horrid season next year so that some of us do a Glaston and vanish.

Out of interest how many of us are there? B20, Saoirse, Barney, Sniper's Breath, Cheech Wizard, M'n'M, Shaded Tomato (?), Jonny Boy, Njred (?) and myself. Have I missed any?

 

[Snipers Breath]

Bloody mods keep promoting us don't they.

You'll have to hope that we have a horrid season next year so that some of us do a Glaston and vanish.

Out of interest how many of us are there? B20, Saoirse, Barney, Sniper's Breath, Cheech Wizard, M'n'M, Shaded Tomato (?), Jonny Boy, Njred (?) and myself. Have I missed any?

Malva(?) Dumbster.

 

[moses]

Bloody mods keep promoting us don't they.

You'll have to hope that we have a horrid season next year so that some of us do a Glaston and vanish.

Out of interest how many of us are there? B20, Saoirse, Barney, Sniper's Breath, Cheech Wizard, M'n'M, Shaded Tomato (?), Jonny Boy, Njred (?) and myself. Have I missed any?

Did you not notice the parapet? Shame.

 

[Barney]

Bloody mods keep promoting us don't they.

You'll have to hope that we have a horrid season next year so that some of us do a Glaston and vanish.

Out of interest how many of us are there? B20, Saoirse, Barney, Sniper's Breath, Cheech Wizard, M'n'M, Shaded Tomato (?), Jonny Boy, Njred (?) and myself. Have I missed any?

Dumbstar, redman5

 

[Blasphemy]

This site would be boring without opposition fans.