Liverpool

[johnny boy]

This!

Hope their amusing comments disappear as quickly as the Arsenal brigade's earlier this season who wanted to convince everyone how RvP made a mistake and if only he had stayed a bit longer. Well yeah, if only. Then he wouldn't have won a PL trophy after all but would be competing for the glorious 4th place trophy again. But tbf those Arsenal fans were still nowhere as many as the Liverpool fans at the moment or let's say those Arsenal fans are always posting and not only on their honeymoon period like most of these Liverpool posters.

Up to City to end their honeymoon!

Many of the Liverpool fans you refer to have been posting for some time, not just this season. So forgive us if we enjoy our current situation having had to endure the mockery of our recent failures - albeit fair enough on a United forum.

As for City - quite a sign of the times the newly acquired support for your local rivals.

 

[redman5]

The key phrase that you ignored in his post was 'feck load'. And it's hard to argue against, which is why you didn't I suppose.

I've been posting on here for over 7 years & there's always been a highish amount of Liverpool supporters on here: Davo, Murphman, Sam, B9 (as he was known back then)NJRed, Dumpstar, MnM, myself, have been regular posters during a period when United were the best in the land. Now all of a sudden, there's too many of us.

I don't post nearly as much as I used to on LFC related threads, because the 'new breed' put down some very good points. So what's the difference between me putting down an opinion & one of the newish guys putting down something similar ? You still have the option of challenging it or moving on.

 

[B20]

Anyway, I don't think he the best leader/captain. I will put JT higher for example.

Nah. Gerrard has the ear of every ref in the league, 'captain of england' and all. His 'intangible' influence is much greater.

 

[united_99]

Many of the Liverpool fans you refer to have been posting for some time, not just this season. So forgive us if we enjoy our current situation having had to endure the mockery of our recent failures - albeit fair enough on a United forum.

As for City - quite a sign of the times the newly acquired support for your local rivals.

Tbh I have been reading this forum for a few years and can't remember that many Liverpool fans in recent years (fair enough some of them, for example B20 have always posted), but now a lot of the others are coming out of all corners and everywhere.

As for "supporting City", it's not a surprise at all, is it? If it was between United and Everton you lot would be "supporting" one or the other, too I guess.

 

[johnny boy]

Tbh I have been reading this forum for a few years and can't remember that many Liverpool fans in recent years (fair enough some of them, for example B20 have always posted), but now a lot of the others are coming out of all corners and everywhere.

As for "supporting City", it's not a surprise at all, is it? If it was between United and Everton you lot would be "supporting" one or the other, too I guess.

I can't comment on the number of Liverpool fans on here, I have posted fairly regularly for a couple of years (if anything I posted more last season than this). It's not for me to say who is and isn't promoted to full status on here. Yes there have been some new one's of late I wasn't familiar with.

To a degree I get the last point, it would be less than ideal for us to choose between Everton & United as it is for you to between City & Liverpool.
For me it's a lose - lose situation either way hence I wouldn't be saying "I really hope Everton win" or be really rooting for them.

I just don't quite get the gusto many seem to be posting in favour of City that's all.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I can't comment on the number of Liverpool fans on here, I have posted fairly regularly for a couple of years (if anything I posted more last season than this). It's not for me to say who is and isn't promoted to full status on here. Yes there have been some new one's of late I wasn't familiar with.

To a degree I get the last point, it would be less than ideal for us to choose between Everton & United as it is for you to between City & Liverpool.
For me it's a lose - lose situation either way hence I wouldn't be saying "I really hope Everton win" or be really rooting for them.

I just don't quite get the gusto many seem to be posting in favour of City that's all.

Why is it so hard to understand? City have a long long way to match United's league trophy count, whereas Liverpool are just 2 behind. That said the egging on of city wouldn't be at these levels if they were still looking for their first trophy in 4 decades.

 

[united_99]

I can't comment on the number of Liverpool fans on here, I have posted fairly regularly for a couple of years (if anything I posted more last season than this). It's not for me to say who is and isn't promoted to full status on here. Yes there have been some new one's of late I wasn't familiar with.

I get the last point, it would be less than ideal for us to choose between Everton & United as it is for you to between City & Liverpool.
For me it's a lose - lose situation either way hence I wouldn't be saying "I really hope Everton win" or be really rooting for them.

I just don't quite get the gusto many seem to be posting in favour of City that's all.

Well can't speak for the others, but as far as I am concerned if it's between City and Liverpool firstly City have already won the league in 2012. No league title they will win from now on will be as painful as a United fan than the one in 2012. And they'll win some more PLs anyway, if not this year then maybe next or in a couple of years.

Liverpool however have their best chance this year by far, it's the closest you have come and although you will improve there's no guarantee which teams will fight for the title next year (apart from maybe City and Chelsea with Mourinho). In addition you will close the gap to our 20 titles if you win this year, so for me it's a no-brainer to choose City in that situation.

 

[johnny boy]

Why is it so hard to understand? City have a long long way to match United's league trophy count, whereas Liverpool are just 2 behind. That said the egging on of city wouldn't be at these levels if they were still looking for their first trophy in 4 decades.

I didn't say I didn't understand - I just don't get the enthusiasm (probably the wrong word!), behind it that's all.

 

[Varun]

I can't comment on the number of Liverpool fans on here, I have posted fairly regularly for a couple of years (if anything I posted more last season than this). It's not for me to say who is and isn't promoted to full status on here. Yes there have been some new one's of late I wasn't familiar with.

To a degree I get the last point, it would be less than ideal for us to choose between Everton & United as it is for you to between City & Liverpool.
For me it's a lose - lose situation either way hence I wouldn't be saying "I really hope Everton win" or be really rooting for them.

I just don't quite get the gusto many seem to be posting in favour of City that's all.

I speak for myself but I consider you lot a proper club, a club I hate but one I respect. City are someone who won the lottery to put it bluntly. Also, you are on 18 titles, City are nowhere close. Add to that the fact that City's money means their success is inevitable, be it this year or the next whereas its not the same for you and you see why I'd much rather City win it than you. Easily.

EDIT:

Regarding the enthusiasm bit, Chelsea are the one am rooting for. City are just the lesser evil.

 

[johnny boy]

Well can't speak for the others, but as far as I am concerned if it's between City and Liverpool firstly City have already won the league in 2012. No league title they will win from now on will be as painful as a United fan than the one in 2012. And they'll win some more PLs anyway, if not this year then maybe next or in a couple of years.

Liverpool however have their best chance this year by far, it's the closest you have come and although you will improve there's no guarantee which teams will fight for the title next year (apart from maybe City and Chelsea with Mourinho). In addition you will close the gap to our 20 titles if you win this year, so for me it's a no-brainer to choose City in that situation.

I speak for myself but I consider you lot a proper club, a club I hate but one I respect. City are someone who won the lottery to put it bluntly. Also, you are on 18 titles, City are nowhere close. Add to that the fact that City's money means their success is inevitable, be it this year or the next whereas its not the same for you and you see why I'd much rather City win it than you. Easily.

EDIT:

Regarding the enthusiasm bit, Chelsea are the one am rooting for. City are just the lesser evil.

okay fair enough.

 

[moses]

I've been posting on here for over 7 years & there's always been a highish amount of Liverpool supporters on here: Davo, Murphman, Sam, B9 (as he was known back then)NJRed, Dumpstar, MnM, myself, have been regular posters during a period when United were the best in the land. Now all of a sudden, there's too many of us.

I don't post nearly as much as I used to on LFC related threads, because the 'new breed' put down some very good points. So what's the difference between me putting down an opinion & one of the newish guys putting down something similar ? You still have the option of challenging it or moving on.

Besides the point, there is a huge influx of Liverpool fans registering and a good few have been promoted, and while some oppo fans are good for the site, too many is counterproductive.

 

[johnny boy]

Besides the point, there is a huge influx of Liverpool fans registering and a good few have been promoted, and while some oppo fans are good for the site, too many is counterproductive.

Surely they have been promoted because they are good posters, at least on the newbies. And in that respect they have deserved promotion to the main forum just like anyone else. If there are too many, why promote them?

The influx of new people registering would be treated like any others who do not make the grade wouldn't they?

 

[Stick]

Well it's not an absolute pittance in comparison, but I take your point.

I never said spending money is key to all things. All I am disputing is the assertion that Mr. Bullshit has done it scrapping the barrel bottom. He has spend a significant amount of money since he joined Liverpool. Some managers would give their left nut for a chance to spend £100m in 2 seasons.

Also, you cannot dispute that you have had the fortune of managerial changes at all three top clubs. All credit to Mr. Bullshit for taking the full advantage of it and for Liverpool's performances this season. Neither I, or anyone else can deny it.

Although forgive me if I am not ready to hail him as some kind of Robinhood, who has come as a messiah for the poor and the downtrodden Liverpool fans.

I think what has impressed me most about Rodgers is that he's picked up in the transfer market players that some big clubs felt wouldn't be of top 4 quality like Sturridge and Coutinho and he's instilled a belief in them to prove they are capable of getting to the top. He's spent the going rates for these players which many balked at and has pretty much doubled their value in some cases. He was never going to be scrapping the barrel at Liverpool but compared to the revenue of our current top 4 rivals and the market of players available to him I think he has done particularly well.

You can say that Liverpool have been fortunate in the managerial changes that took place at the big clubs but I would argue that the changes that took place have strengthened those clubs. Pellegrini has brought a more structured look to City and Mourinho is a proven winner no matter where he goes. Granted Moyes has hardly impressed this year but he inherited a bit of a poisoned chalice imho.

I think most Liverpool fans are delighted with Rodgers because he has us challenging for the title while playing a great brand of football. With the amount of goals being scored it doesn't surprise me that some fans are hailing Rodgers as a messiah but consistency is the key. He needs to consistently deliver this for the next few years and then we'll see. It's the same reaction some united fans have had with Moyes and that banner that was flown over OT for the Villa game. I'd say that made some united fans cringe but there is always an element of the support that takes things too far.

 

[PickledRed]

What has that got to do with what I said? Facts will not change no matter what people think. But something like captaincy and leadership cannot be based on facts. Just based on what your perception is. That obviously will vary from one person to the next.

Facts cannot change but their use are manipulated to present a particular case so can be skewed and portray a false picture so the argument becomes as subjective as something like leadership and effort.

 

[Stick]

Its' all set up really isnt it?

Stevie G's first title.
Massive bellsniffery on the pitch with ex players et all and sky and bt collectively having an orgasm over it.

If the Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania isn't a sign of this happening i don't know what is.

Same stuff happened back in 93. Fergie and Kidd jumping on the pitch vs Sheffield Weds when Bruce headed in those vital goals. There is always a story to spin and a few former pros to comment on it. Did Robson get his first title then too? A bit like the Gerard scenario.

 

[Stick]

Sturridge didn't show up against West Ham.

Yeah but even when he doesn't show up he's still a threat. So much pace and a great shot. Nightmare to mark.

 

[brewlio]

Surely they have been promoted because they are good posters

A few have been promoted as the repping scouts can't follow simple orders. The prospect of a post-season dipper cull is making me a little hard in my pants though tbh.

 

[B20]

A few have been promoted as the repping scouts can't follow simple orders. The prospect of a post-season dipper cull is making me a little hard in my pants though tbh.

Depending on where we finish, it could be a bloodbath a la May 2005, the month of long knives.

 

[PickledRed]

Well it's not an absolute pittance in comparison, but I take your point.

I never said spending money is key to all things. All I am disputing is the assertion that Mr. Bullshit has done it scrapping the barrel bottom. He has spend a significant amount of money since he joined Liverpool. Some managers would give their left nut for a chance to spend £100m in 2 seasons.

Also, you cannot dispute that you have had the fortune of managerial changes at all three top clubs. All credit to Mr. Bullshit for taking the full advantage of it and for Liverpool's performances this season. Neither I, or anyone else can deny it.

Although forgive me if I am not ready to hail him as some kind of Robinhood, who has come as a messiah for the poor and the downtrodden Liverpool fans.

The bitterness is seeping out.

 

[KM]

Just a fellow hint for the scousers in here, anyone who doesn't appreciate Brendon or Liverpool this season doesn't necessarily have to be bitter. If you're looking for a site which will constantly praise Liverpool then feck off back to RAWK.

Ta.

 

[rio's upper lip]

Just a fellow hint for the scousers in here, anyone who doesn't appreciate Brendon or Liverpool this season doesn't necessarily have to be bitter. If you're looking for a site which will constantly praise Liverpool then feck off back to RAWK.

Ta.

It's amazing, isn't it. Some of them seem perplexed and slightly offended that a few United supporters want City to win over them. They're playing the best football the land has ever seen you know, how can you not support them? It's not like they're on a fecking United forum or anything!

 

[Snipers Breath]

Jesus Snipe, you are a parody of Liverpool fan of the previous era. Every Liverpool player is best ever. In other thread you are going about Gerrard being better than Scholes, Keane, Vieira etc.. now Coutinho has more talent than Oscar because of half a season.. Sterling probably the best young player about as well.

Remind of the time when Pool fans claimed Dudek was best GK about, Hyppia best CB in the league, Owen best forward, Gerrard best CM etc.. yet you never won the league.

I give every player their fair dues, when a small number of united fans were talking about the over hyping of Januzaj, i was in the thread talking him up the same way i've been talking up Coutinho, If a player is good i will say, and i said Gerrard was better than Scholes and Keane as a Liverpool fan who's grown up watching him, at the same time i never played down Scholes or Keanes ability, i don't see what the problem is?

Maybe i've confused what a forum is, every post i've made i've at least try back it up?

 

[johnny boy]

It's amazing, isn't it. Some of them seem perplexed and slightly offended that a few United supporters want City to win over them. They're playing the best football the land has ever seen you know, how can you not support them? It's not like they're on a fecking United forum or anything!

Personally I wasn't "offended", I was just surprised by not necessarily people rooting for City but firstly trying to understand why (see recent posts), and secondly the perceived strength of that new found support. It has to me come across as almost seeing Liverpool not win the league as kind of saving United's season and almost a little desperation creeping in.

Yes if we can't take a little bit of banter we shouldn't be posting on here.

 

[Talking Vulture]

Personally I wasn't "offended", I was just surprised by not necessarily people rooting for City but firstly trying to understand why (see recent posts), and secondly the perceived strength of that new found support. It has to me come across as almost seeing Liverpool not win the league as kind of saving United's season and almost a little desperation creeping in.

You lot should understand - you've supported anyone but United for the past 25 years or so.
I recall Anfield being full of Bayern flags/scarves/shirts in 1999

 

[thegregster]

I was just surprised by not necessarily people rooting for City but firstly trying to understand why (see recent posts), and secondly the perceived strength of that new found support. It has to me come across as almost seeing Liverpool not win the league as kind of saving United's season and almost a little desperation creeping in.

Yes if we can't take a little bit of banter we shouldn't be posting on here.

You lot have been like that since 1990. Every time United didnt win the league eg 2010,2012 or lost a cup final you lot would be on here straight away gloating.

Pretty much your biggest highlights in the last 8 years. Mickey mouse league cup aside.

 

[rio's upper lip]

Personally I wasn't "offended", I was just surprised by not necessarily people rooting for City but firstly trying to understand why (see recent posts), and secondly the perceived strength of that new found support. It has to me come across as almost seeing Liverpool not win the league as kind of saving United's season and almost a little desperation creeping in.

Yes if we can't take a little bit of banter we shouldn't be posting on here.

There is one thing that can save our season, and that hinges on tomorrow night - fecking Liverpool not winning the title won't save shit. It will be funny though, since Liverpool supporters have been flying high for quite a few months now. City have won it recently, and it'll be less dramatic if they win it. Most of us expected them to. Liverpool's form has been a major surprise to everyone, and given the rivalry over the last few decades, it shouldn't really be surprising if the vast majority of United fans never want to see Liverpool lift another title.

It seems like this whole issue is an excuse for finally being able to call US desperate and riling us up, not the other way around like it usually is. It's really quite obvious why most of us support City over Liverpool.

That being said, if Liverpool win it, it will be thoroughly deserved. They've played some fantastic football over the course of the season. But that's not the issue, is it.

 

[johnny boy]

You lot have been like that since 1990. Every time United didnt win the league eg 2010,2012 or lost a cup final you lot would be on here straight away gloating.

Pretty much your biggest highlights in the last 8 years. Mickey mouse league cup aside.

I don't gloat when you lose a game, let alone a final - so you mixing me up with someone else there. United lose = stay away is my motto.

EDIT - Okay I might gloat - but not on here!

 

[NK86]

Nah. Gerrard has the ear of every ref in the league, 'captain of england' and all. His 'intangible' influence is much greater.

So you mean to say his influence has got more to do with his position as England captain rather than some trait which makes him better than JT?

 

[johnny boy]

There is one thing that can save our season, and that hinges on tomorrow night - fecking Liverpool not winning the title won't save shit. It will be funny though, since Liverpool supporters have been flying high for quite a few months now. City have won it recently, and it'll be less dramatic if they win it. Most of us expected them to. Liverpool's form has been a major surprise to everyone, and given the rivalry over the last few decades, it shouldn't really be surprising if the vast majority of United fans never want to see Liverpool lift another title.

It seems like this whole issue is an excuse for finally being able to call US desperate and riling us up, not the other way around like it usually is. It's really quite obvious why most of us support City over Liverpool.

That being said, if Liverpool win it, it will be thoroughly deserved. They've played some fantastic football over the course of the season. But that's not the issue, is it.

Not trying to rile anyone up. I get why you don't want Liverpool to win - what (and as I said earlier) I don't understand is the strength of the support for your local city rivals that's all.

If Everton won something it would be unbearable.

 

[redman5]

Besides the point, there is a huge influx of Liverpool fans registering and a good few have been promoted, and while some oppo fans are good for the site, too many is counterproductive.

The fact is, over the past 4 years Liverpool have been something of a non-entity when it comes to The Premiership. As such the amount of LFC related threads have been minimal, & those that did exist were generally ones mocking our position, & the overall delusional qualities of the average Liverpool supporter. It's all a bit different this year of course. Now we have a chance to have our say, & to challenge opinions, suddenly all is not fair on The Caf.

The only difference having more Liverpool supporters on board makes is that people like me can post less.

It's said that there are only excuses when things go wrong, but reasons when things go right. From what I can see, there are a few United fans on here using excuses - no European football etc - for Liverpool's unexpected rise to prominence. That's been countered by reasons - Brendan Rodgers, attacking football etc - by the Liverpool supporters on board.

 

[Stick]

You're a loon.

Perhaps the difference between this season and last is that he has proven he can walk the walk as well as talk the talk. This season has actually proven that all the "cringeworthy stuff" he was coming off with was actually far from cringeworthy as he was telling it like it is.

I look forward to hearing the man speak. He is charming, intelligent and articulate and he is proving himself to be a heck of a tactician too.

Keep taking the pills bud.

Ah this is a cross all Irishmen must bear.......

 

[B20]

So you mean to say his influence has got more to do with his position as England captain rather than some trait which makes him better than JT?

It's part of it. Being English, senior one club man and not a thundercnut like Terry. Who can say why really? At any rate, refs are fawning over him this season. His demeanour has matured to fit the role as well. He's an excellent leader on the pitch and takes proper care of his teammates out there.

 

[NK86]

It's part of it. Being English, senior one club man and not a thundercnut like Terry. Who can say why really? At any rate, refs are fawning over him this season. His demeanour has matured to fit the role as well. He's an excellent leader on the pitch and takes proper care of his teammates out there.

JT himself drives his team. He is many a times the last man between the goalie and the striker. His team mates respect him a lot.

Wait, I cannot do this anymore. I don't care who is better between JT and Gerrard!

 

[SteveJ]

He is many a times the last man between the goalie and the striker.

Pah, he only does that for the photo opportunities.

 

[B20]

He is many a times the last man between the goalie and the striker.

Being a centreback does not = a strong leader.

 

[Stick]

Being a centreback does not = a strong leader.

(does not =) = (/=)

 

[moses]

Surely they have been promoted because they are good posters, at least on the newbies. And in that respect they have deserved promotion to the main forum just like anyone else. If there are too many, why promote them?

The influx of new people registering would be treated like any others who do not make the grade wouldn't they?

No, it's a Manchester United Forum and a balance is important. Don't for one minute think you are anything but a guest at a private party.

 

[moses]

The fact is, over the past 4 years Liverpool have been something of a non-entity when it comes to The Premiership. As such the amount of LFC related threads have been minimal, & those that did exist were generally ones mocking our position, & the overall delusional qualities of the average Liverpool supporter. It's all a bit different this year of course. Now we have a chance to have our say, & to challenge opinions, suddenly all is not fair on The Caf.

The only difference having more Liverpool supporters on board makes is that people like me can post less.

It's said that there are only excuses when things go wrong, but reasons when things go right. From what I can see, there are a few United fans on here using excuses - no European football etc - for Liverpool's unexpected rise to prominence. That's been countered by reasons - Brendan Rodgers, attacking football etc - by the Liverpool supporters on board.

The FACT is that's not anything near the point I'm making. If the admins of the site think there are too many scousers there is only one outcome and the more you bitch and moan the more likely you're volunteering yourself to be out the door. This is a United site and we only need a handful of oppo fans to keep it interesting. You are merely a guest at our party.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

Besides the point, there is a huge influx of Liverpool fans registering and a good few have been promoted, and while some oppo fans are good for the site, too many is counterproductive.

As a newbie Liverpool fan who's been recently promoted, from your perspective as a united fan I would also find it overbearing if it seems there's too many in one discussion. I can fully understand that and respect where your coming from.

As of late I have found it reluctant to post as frequently as I did in the newbs, which has been disappointing because I thoroughly had some great discussions with some united supporters there, some of whom have also been recently promoted themselves.

I can understand many regular posters here are annoyed by my introduction and have a right to complain and bring it up with the mods. At the moment it is difficult to post in the main threads, as I know my newly found presence would come to the attention of many regulars here and I would have to find myself time & time again repeating what I'm saying now.

I've never signed up to this site with the intention of purposely getting myself promoted to rile up united fans. No way. I've been reading these boards since early 2011, and signed up as a member last summer before I even knew we would have this dream of a season. So I can understand now why the timing of my promotion has infuriated many.

Im not always going to be in agreement or come to the defence of the fellow Liverpool posters here, there's been times where I've read the mains in the past that I totally disagree with and wish I could have my say. If there are discussions particularly on Liverpool and many of them share the same opinions as I do, then I will refrain myself from constantly sharing the same input, as that can look dominating.I want to involve myself in many football discussions besides talking about my team all the time.

I follow united very closely, not because they're a rival, my father is Manchester born and a lifelong united fan, I've been more times to OT than Anfield, and I lived in the city for 3 years during my uni days and loved it. I'm not a scouser or didn't know what the hell RAWK was until I saw the RAWK goes into 2010/2011 meltdown thread which made for difficult reading but I respect many regulars on here and share their views on their club and it's direction.

I respect what your saying though Moses. I just hope others see my promotion as just deserving as the fellow new ones and not the fact that my name has Liverpool fan written underneath somehow has begun to raise question marks.

 

[moses]

Many of the Liverpool fans you refer to have been posting for some time, not just this season. So forgive us if we enjoy our current situation having had to endure the mockery of our recent failures - albeit fair enough on a United forum.

As for City - quite a sign of the times the newly acquired support for your local rivals.

Boo fecking hoo. Enjoy away, just not here, en masse. I have never felt the need to 'enjoy' any of our success by going to an oppo forum and rubbing people's noses in it.