Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

[Feed Me]

As I read it, I think he definitely didn't. Now, both of them are inconsistent as anyone you would see. Aguero isn't that great in the build-up play and we know RVP can be inconsistent, mostly due to injuries.

Ronaldo can also vary some, but he usually bags a goal or two regardless. When Rooney is off form he goes long spells without scoring and having completely lost his touch. Nani seems to lose interest and flair when he is off form and he doesn't take on his man enough. Ronaldo never stops trying - Messi is just Messi.

I saw a stat floating around on Twitter - from OptaJoe, I believe - that showed that in the past few seasons, Nani had been one of the most productive players in the Premier League in terms of goals and assists combined.

Must be more consistent than he's credited for.

 

[Rossa]

I saw a stat floating around on Twitter - from OptaJoe, I believe - that showed that in the past few seasons, Nani had been one of the most productive players in the Premier League in terms of goals and assists combined.

Must be more consistent than he's credited for.

Definetely. There were stats showing that in their first 100 games, Nani was more productive than Ronaldo. Ronaldo was younger playing those 100 games, but still. To me, Nani is a bit underrated - hell, he isn't even a speedster on Fifa12

 

[Ash_G]

I think people think he's inconsistent due to his style. He's a flair player, the nature of his game is that it's risky. He'll try to take on players in tough situations, or try a shot from far etc, when that doesn't come off in a match we struggle in then you notice it, the crowd start getting frustrated and you can see it in the players as well. However regardless if this he still will keep at it, it might end up with him being taken off or he might well pull something out of the bag be it a great ball in to the box, a chance created out of nothing or maybe he'll win a got set piece. Nani is a game changer, he has it in his locker and that's why he's so dangerous on a bad day, the consequence of that though is that there will be games where he frustrates you.

Valencia in contrast is a safer player, if he can't beat his man he'll pass the ball back and wait for another opportunity. He doesn't take on as many players either. Valnecia's stats show that he is a fair bit better at retaining the ball than nani, which is a consequence off his approach. You won't get a annoyed with Valencia because he isn't given the ball away, you're more likely to be more frustrated with the team as a whole if we're struggling to create. Valnecia's style is very good for us, he'a a reliable supply from that side and a hard worker. But he doesn't have that same opportunity to pull out a game changed on a regular basis as nani imo.

That's why we need nani imo, he's a match winner, a game changer. Those are hard to come by. I can't see why we would sell him without having a replacement and we missed out on two players who could have done that in hazard and Lucas. Also it doesn't make sense to want to sell him and then completely dropping him from the squad. Doesn't look good from a bargaining stance. We didn't need to put nani in the shop window against everton because he's coming of a good euro tournament. So in hoping at least it's all hot air and nani can show any doubters what a class player he is.

 

[Tomalonge]

Apparently Anderson's said he's staying on Instagram or something.

Can someone check this? Brilliant news if so.

 

[Burrow]

That's not gonna go down well with Fergie if true. Didnt he ban all players from talking about anything related to the club on these sorts of sites?

 

[Randall Flagg]

At this stage it really does not look like he will move in this window.

But the worries and rumours will remain until he signs that contract

 

[Donut]

Apparently Anderson's said he's staying on Instagram or something.

Can someone check this? Brilliant news if so.

Nani vai fica no Manchester

I guess it means, Nani's not leaving Manchester. Maybe he's going to City

 

[Tomalonge]

That's not gonna go down well with Fergie if true. Didnt he ban all players from talking about anything related to the club on these sorts of sites?

This is the best I've got, I didn't take the screenshot but Ctrl and + should help if the text is too small.

It roughly translates as "Nani no go Manchester".

And to be fair, I'm a lot more worried about Nanis career here than Andersons.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Thats some good news, i would amagine anderson and nani are pretty tight, so he should know whats going on.

 

[Name Changed]

I saw a stat floating around on Twitter - from OptaJoe, I believe - that showed that in the past few seasons, Nani had been one of the most productive players in the Premier League in terms of goals and assists combined.

Must be more consistent than he's credited for.

He is like Rooney though, he does his stuff in streaks. The stats show Rooney as consistent as well, I wouldn't call him consistent. Just my opinion.

 

[OGkush]

most of you guys fail to remember one simple thing: you watch our players pretty much every game the entire game, and with the added bonus of actualy giving a feck about what happens on the pitch ofcourse you're going to be more aware of every little thing they do, while most of us don't give a flying feck about other teams, and more or less watch other players' highlights, and we all know that youtube can make even Bebe look like a class player.

So get off your high horse and be thankful that we've got Rooney and Nani playing for us, because other teams' fans would kill to have them in their team, yet all some of you seem to do is bitch and moan about them "not delivering", and how you've "lost respect" after contracts weren't signed without any dissagreements.

 

[Trigg]

He is like Rooney though, he does his stuff in streaks. The stats show Rooney as consistent as well, I wouldn't call him consistent. Just my opinion.

He's consistent on a season by season basis though. What do you consider consistant?

 

[Name Changed]

He's consistent on a season by season basis though. What do you consider consistant?

A player who puts in good performances most weeks.

 

[Rossa]

A player who puts in good performances most weeks.

Yeah, but what does that mean? Does it mean that he should score one goal in each match or make one assist per match for a winger?

Stats are interesting because it showed that Berbatov scored in just as many, if not more matches than Tevez two years ago - and he didn't take the penalties like Tevez did. Yet, people somehow argued that Berbatov was the inconsistent one who only scores in streaks.

All players have a bit of inconsistency, especially flair players - it is to be expected. If you try to do things to the limit, you will crash and burn at times. Colin McRae drove on the limit and crashed more cars than the other drivers combined, almost. Richard Burns drove more safely and won quite a bit too, but he is nowhere near regarded as being close to what McRae was. I suppose it's a bit the same with Nani for me - when he ticks, he is brilliant, but sometimes the impossible IS impossible (not for Ethan Hunt, but...)

 

[SkeppyRed]

The accusations of inconsistency and the frustration with Nani stem from his really poor decision making on the pitch. His ability is as good as anyone in the league and on the days he gets things right he is devastating, but despite gradually improving his decision making since he joined us he still hasn't ironed that flaw out of his game. When he finally does he will reach the levels we all know he is capable of. The only thing is will the boss run out of patience with him before that happens?

 

[AARRONB06]

Must. Not. Sell.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm not saying this necessarily applies to Nani but just because a player has a good record of creating or scoring goals over the course of a season doesn't mean the team plays better with them in it than with another player who might not have as impressive individual stats.

Even in a game where this player creates or scores a goal they might not do their job defensively, persistently waste possession, waste great attacking situations by making poor decisions and generally hinder the overall performance of the team. If they didn't play the team might miss that one moment of brilliance which led to a goal but the overall team performance could have been much better. The difference between, say, a scrappy 1-1 draw and a comfortable 3-0 victory, even if the above players replacement doesn't get a single goal or assist.

Like I said, I'm not saying this necessarily applies to Nani and I'm using an extreme example to make my point. I do think, though, when he's not on his game Nani has tendency to be extraordinarily wasteful. His short passing, in particular, is often incredibly slack for a player of his ability. This can even happen in games where he produces a fantastic assist or (much less frequently) goal.

What makes it so frustrating is that on the relatively infrequent occasion when he really plays a blinder for 90 minutes every aspect of his game is spot on. He makes all the right decisions, passes the ball quickly and accurately and generally looks a world-beater. He's a real all or nothing player. Not enough average to good performances IMO.

 

[Tomalonge]

Must. Not. Sell.

This x10.

It'd be incredibly disappointing to lose who, in my opinion, has been our second most deadly goal-threat.

And inconsistancy crept into the conversation again, has this seriously not been put to bed yet? He's not only one of the most consistent in our team but also one of the most consistent in the league for the past few seasons. I mean come on guys, give it a rest.

 

[Rossa]

I'm not saying this necessarily applies to Nani but just because a player has a good record of creating or scoring goals over the course of a season doesn't mean the team plays better with them in it than with another player who might not have as impressive individual stats.

Even in a game where this player creates or scores a goal they might not do their job defensively, persistently waste possession, waste great attacking situations by making poor decisions and generally hinder the overall performance of the team. If they didn't play the team might miss that one moment of brilliance which led to a goal but the overall team performance could have been much better. The difference between, say, a scrappy 1-1 draw and a comfortable 3-0 victory, even if the above players replacement doesn't get a single goal or assist.

Like I said, I'm not saying this necessarily applies to Nani and I'm using an extreme example to make my point. I do think, though, when he's not on his game Nani has tendency to be extraordinarily wasteful. His short passing, in particular, is often incredibly slack for a player of his ability. This can even happen in games where he produces a fantastic assist or (much less frequently) goal.

What makes it so frustrating is that on the relatively infrequent occasion when he really plays a blinder for 90 minutes every aspect of his game is spot on. He makes all the right decisions, passes the ball quickly and accurately and generally looks a world-beater. He's a real all or nothing player. Not enough average to good performances IMO.

I agree with a lot of this. Imo, United's play improved after Nistorooy left, even though he was undoubtedly a terrific goal scorer.

I don't agree on Nani's short passing being poor - I actually rate his one touch short passing play much higher than say Rooney's (which can be atrocious at times). So yeah, when he is playing poorly, his passing is worse, but not more so than any other player who is off form (except Scholes who would dip from 95% completion to 88%)

 

[Godfather]

I'm not saying this necessarily applies to Nani but just because a player has a good record of creating or scoring goals over the course of a season doesn't mean the team plays better with them in it than with another player who might not have as impressive individual stats.

Even in a game where this player creates or scores a goal they might not do their job defensively, persistently waste possession, waste great attacking situations by making poor decisions and generally hinder the overall performance of the team. If they didn't play the team might miss that one moment of brilliance which led to a goal but the overall team performance could have been much better. The difference between, say, a scrappy 1-1 draw and a comfortable 3-0 victory, even if the above players replacement doesn't get a single goal or assist.

Like I said, I'm not saying this necessarily applies to Nani and I'm using an extreme example to make my point. I do think, though, when he's not on his game Nani has tendency to be extraordinarily wasteful. His short passing, in particular, is often incredibly slack for a player of his ability. This can even happen in games where he produces a fantastic assist or (much less frequently) goal.

What makes it so frustrating is that on the relatively infrequent occasion when he really plays a blinder for 90 minutes every aspect of his game is spot on. He makes all the right decisions, passes the ball quickly and accurately and generally looks a world-beater. He's a real all or nothing player. Not enough average to good performances IMO.

Although I agree with a lot of this I think this "he has not enough average to good performances" only applied to the Nani of 2 or 3 years ago. He had them a lot last year imo and seemed to have been able to have a decent game even when it's not his day.

Which makes his performance against Everton even more surprising. I really thought he had cut out those kind of performances. Hopefully it was just one of those days.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Although I agree with a lot of this I think this "he has not enough average to good performances" only applied to the Nani of 2 or 3 years ago. He had them a lot last year imo and seemed to have been able to have a decent game even when it's not his day.

Which makes his performance against Everton even more surprising. I really thought he had cut out those kind of performances. Hopefully it was just one of those days.

I think it applied last season but not the season before.

Actually, that's wrong. He finished the season before last with much the same patchy form he showed through last season.

He was really excellent for almost an entire calendar year in 2010. By far his most consistent spell in a United shirt. Since then, he hasn't kicked on as hoped, with Fergie repeatedly dropping him for important games and generally looking a lot more like the frustrating player he used to be before January 2010. Which is really disappointing because it looked like he was on the verge of greatness. It's a shame that he's still dividing opinions 2 years later.

 

[Godfather]

I think it applied last season but not the season before.

Actually, that's wrong. He finished the season before last with much the same patchy form he showed through last season.

He was really excellent for almost an entire calendar year in 2010. By far his most consistent spell in a United shirt. Since then, he hasn't kicked on as hoped, with Fergie repeatedly dropping him for important games and generally looking a lot more like the frustrating player he used to be before January 2010. Which is really disappointing because it looked like he was on the verge of greatness. It's a shame that he's still dividing opinions 2 years later.

Well my memory for such things isnt the best so it might well be that you are right. It's just how I feel about those performances now.

It is indeed.
I really like him as a player but I think that certain frustrating aspects of his game will always remain. (a bit like Giggs used to be, or to a lesser extent Rooney). I just hope that an utter shit performance like the one against Everton won't happen again. (although he didnt look nearly as bad in the first half as he did in the second).
Those kind of games shouldnt happen to him anymore.

 

[Chabon]

Actually, that's wrong. He finished the season before last with much the same patchy form he showed through last season.

He was our standout player until Jamie Carragher cut him in half a couple of months before the end of the season, and he never seemed to bounce back from it. However his form until the injury was so fantastic that he won our player of the year award. Similarly, last season he was largely brilliant until he got injured, it just happened to come much sooner this time. He appears to have the same problem as Rooney does with bouncing back from injuries.

 

[Damien]

This is the best I've got, I didn't take the screenshot but Ctrl and + should help if the text is too small.

It roughly translates as "Nani no go Manchester".

And to be fair, I'm a lot more worried about Nanis career here than Andersons.

Anderson's uploaded another picture since then and on that picture someone else asked him if Nani was leaving United in English and he said no again.

And here's his most recent photograph (and by recent I mean uploaded, the picture itself looks around a year old)

http://web.stagram.com/p/268807015814404568_190354101

 

[MUFC07]

I guess it means, Nani's not leaving Manchester. Maybe he's going to City

He missed an r, "Nani vai ficar no Manchester" Nani will stay in Manchester (actually, the use of 'no' instead of 'em' means he refers to Manchester the club, rather than the city)

 

[Name Changed]

Yeah, but what does that mean? Does it mean that he should score one goal in each match or make one assist per match for a winger?

Stats are interesting because it showed that Berbatov scored in just as many, if not more matches than Tevez two years ago - and he didn't take the penalties like Tevez did. Yet, people somehow argued that Berbatov was the inconsistent one who only scores in streaks.

All players have a bit of inconsistency, especially flair players - it is to be expected. If you try to do things to the limit, you will crash and burn at times. Colin McRae drove on the limit and crashed more cars than the other drivers combined, almost. Richard Burns drove more safely and won quite a bit too, but he is nowhere near regarded as being close to what McRae was. I suppose it's a bit the same with Nani for me - when he ticks, he is brilliant, but sometimes the impossible IS impossible (not for Ethan Hunt, but...)

I think what Pogue says above is what I think about Nani's performances.

Berbatov and Tevez isn't a great example. Tevez is as hard working is anybody in the league, so when he is off form or not scoring, he gives 100% (when on the pitch) and fans respond to that.

I agree with what you're saying about consistency. Flair players are streaky sometimes. Pogue explains it with Nani above.

 

[adexkola]

I think what Pogue says above is what I think about Nani's performances.

Berbatov and Tevez isn't a great example. Tevez is as hard working is anybody in the league, so when he is off form or not scoring, he gives 100% (when on the pitch) and fans respond to that.

I agree with what you're saying about consistency. Flair players are streaky sometimes. Pogue explains it with Nani above.

If fans have a problem with Nani's streaky, inconsistent style of play, despite his impressive output, it's them that has the problem, surely?

 

[Rossa]

I think what Pogue says above is what I think about Nani's performances.

Berbatov and Tevez isn't a great example. Tevez is as hard working is anybody in the league, so when he is off form or not scoring, he gives 100% (when on the pitch) and fans respond to that.

I agree with what you're saying about consistency. Flair players are streaky sometimes. Pogue explains it with Nani above.

Berbatov and Tevez is a wonderful example. I'm going to get on my literary high horse and explain why:

If any mediocre author, let's say Terry Goodkind, writes and publishes 100 books, is he then more hardworking and automatically better than what J.R.R Tolkien was? Imo he certainly isn't. It's all about quality, not quantity. If a striker runs 14km in a match, I would assume he was a schizo - why on Earth would he run as much and waste energy?

Berbatov actually ran about as much per match as Tevez AND made as many successful tackles as Tevez in their last season together. So if what fans appreciate is some headless chicken running about the pitch impressing the olympic marathon staff then good by them, but I won't say that is what we should be after.

Hell, Rio Ferdinand said that Tevez was lazy in training, but after all he did give it all in matches. Now, would everyone say that Ronaldo was the most hardworking player based on matches? He isn't renowned for tracking back, but boy have we heard that he gives it all at the training grounds.

If what fans are after is a Park who is constantly running about, then fans are shallow!

(Off my high horse now, back to crawling about)

 

[VoetbalWizard]

Berbatov and Tevez is a wonderful example. I'm going to get on my literary high horse and explain why:

If any mediocre author, let's say Terry Goodkind, writes and publishes 100 books, is he then more hardworking and automatically better than what J.R.R Tolkien was? Imo he certainly isn't. It's all about quality, not quantity. If a striker runs 14km in a match, I would assume he was a schizo - why on Earth would he run as much and waste energy?

Berbatov actually ran about as much per match as Tevez AND made as many successful tackles as Tevez in their last season together. So if what fans appreciate is some headless chicken running about the pitch impressing the olympic marathon staff then good by them, but I won't say that is what we should be after.

Hell, Rio Ferdinand said that Tevez was lazy in training, but after all he did give it all in matches. Now, would everyone say that Ronaldo was the most hardworking player based on matches? He isn't renowned for tracking back, but boy have we heard that he gives it all at the training grounds.

If what fans are after is a Park who is constantly running about, then fans are shallow!

(Off my high horse now, back to crawling about)

not a great analogy because not only is tevez graft more on the pitch, he has a higher ceiling of talent IMO as an attacking forward than berbatov. Overall tevez is just a better forward/striker in my opinion and I would reckon most elite clubs in europe would agree with that assessment.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Yeah, but what does that mean? Does it mean that he should score one goal in each match or make one assist per match for a winger?

Stats are interesting because it showed that Berbatov scored in just as many, if not more matches than Tevez two years ago - and he didn't take the penalties like Tevez did. Yet, people somehow argued that Berbatov was the inconsistent one who only scores in streaks.

All players have a bit of inconsistency, especially flair players - it is to be expected. If you try to do things to the limit, you will crash and burn at times. Colin McRae drove on the limit and crashed more cars than the other drivers combined, almost. Richard Burns drove more safely and won quite a bit too, but he is nowhere near regarded as being close to what McRae was. I suppose it's a bit the same with Nani for me - when he ticks, he is brilliant, but sometimes the impossible IS impossible (not for Ethan Hunt, but...)

I see what you are getting at, but Richards Burns was the better driver & was destined for true greatness if he hadn't been so cruelly struck down.

 

[Rossa]

not a great analogy because not only is tevez graft more on the pitch, he has a higher ceiling of talent IMO as an attacking forward than berbatov. Overall tevez is just a better forward/striker in my opinion and I would reckon most elite clubs in europe would agree with that assessment.

Higher ceiling of talent? That is absolutely your opinion. Had you argued more consistent then OK. To me, he has and always will be slightly overrated. Quality, but not much more than that. Berbatov is a player who is a bit hit and miss in terms of which team he plays for. For United, it was at times a hit, but at times a miss. Tevez' last year for United was a miss, and he has been a bit of a miss at City too due to his off the pitch behaviour.

The analogy I drew was that of fans being too simple minded if all they watch for, as you put, is about running around and seemingly making an effort for the team.

 

[Rossa]

I see what you are getting at, but Richards Burns was the better driver & was destined for true greatness if he hadn't been so cruelly struck down.

Was he really a better driver? See, I used to watch rally, but not anymore. I seem to remember that Collin McRae was the greatest driver, on his day, but that he was too inconsistent because he tried to pull off something his car, and sometimes himself, just wouldn't let him. Burns was more a safe driver, but very, very good at that. To me, a bit like Nani and Valencia respectively.

 

[Nate Dogg]

If Nani did leave in this window i got a feeling his replacement will be Gaitan.

Not a better player but more intelligent?

 

[Cheesy]

not a great analogy because not only is tevez graft more on the pitch, he has a higher ceiling of talent IMO as an attacking forward than berbatov. Overall tevez is just a better forward/striker in my opinion and I would reckon most elite clubs in europe would agree with that assessment.

I would agree with you that Tevez is comfortably a better striker than him now, but back then I don't think he was. They were on the same level then, however a lot of fans preferred to praise Tevez for his bulldog like approach, as pundits like to say.

 

[Tomuś]

If Nani did leave in this window i got a feeling his replacement will be Gaitan.

Not a better player but more intelligent?

That wouldn't be difficult. Saying that I hope Nani's staying and I'm sure he will. I like his lack of brain. When on top form we wouldn't get an equal replacement anywhere in the world.

 

[Top]

It's a bit surreal reading this thread. You'd think it was 2009 by some of the posts.

 

[All 3 United]

Selling Nani makes no sense whatsoever, other than balancing the books. That's the end of the debate.

 

[Name Changed]

If fans have a problem with Nani's streaky, inconsistent style of play, despite his impressive output, it's them that has the problem, surely?

I didn't say the fans had a problem with it, I just said he is streaky. I also said previously that he is a quality player and we shouldn't sell him.
That doesn't mean I would regard him as consistent.

 

[puNANI]

I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but Anderson just replied (6 hours ago) to a comment saying "Nani is leaving Man United?" with a "no".

 

[decorativeed]

No shit.