Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid

Spurs have improved, mostly from the fact that they got rid of a lot of squad players which Harry seem to feel obliged to give time too, Parker is more consistent than anyone else they've had next to Modric, and Adebayor is the best striker they've had since Berbatov.

Problem is they needed Cahill to be anywhere near on par with a HUGELY improved Liverpool team.
 
WireRed said:
Course they have, Jenas and Palacios have made way for Parker which makes them weaker in depth(and Parker is hardly the type of player that's going to lift them to the next level is he?), Adebayor is an improvement on Crouch but again, they needed to add to that area, not swap like for like with Adebayor offering no guarantee of even being there after this season. Friedel is a decent buy but without strengthening the defence, he'll be exposed anyway and it's not like Gomes or Cudicini were shit options for GK position anyway was it?

Even if they have improved by 1 or 2%(I don't think they have tbh), it's not enough when everyone else they are competing with has improved their squad tenfold with the exception of Arsenal. Liverpool have improved on the back of finishing the season better than Spurs, Chelsea have improved, City have improved, United have improved, and I'd still back Arsenal with every penny to my name to finish above Spurs.
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Jenas was crap and I honestly believe that someone like Livermore can replace him adequately.They've also signed that Spaniard from Juventus on loan who can also midfield. Parker over Palacios is an improvement IMO particularly with the latter's family troubles and the fact that Parker will play his skin to cement his position at the Euros next year.

Harry is a moron for not signing a central defender early in the market so agree with that, but Freidel will give them the stability atleast for the short term in the goal keeping area. Whereas Adebayor is twice the player of Peter Crouch. They've also signed that young Ivory Coast lad who was brilliant at the recent U17 world cup.

I guess they're still lacking in the defense area and one signing would've made it a brilliant window for Spurs, however still it's a pretty good window for them.
 
fatboy said:
This whole episode will come back to haunt you guys this season. Not that it's entirely Spurs' fault, Chelsea had a part to play by not putting down enough money early, for the player they really wanted. But I think if Levy had played a slightly different game, he could have had the money he wanted earlier.

You are not likely to get the same level of performance from Modric now, and next season he may well be sold for a lot less than the alleged final offer. It's not about pride, it's about prudence.
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I don't really agree to be honest mate. Modric won't play up imo, he has the Euros at the end of the season and unlike Fabregas, Torres and Ronaldo, he'll have to continue performing at the same kind of level to rekindle Chelsea's interest next season.

Modric still has 5 years left on his contract and if he's had a shit season by next summer, he'll still have 4 seasons left, a number that will hardly have Levy shaking with regards to the potential loss of income.


And if Modric has anywhere near the same kind of final seasons as Ronaldo and Fabregas did, then we'll have no problems.
 
Am I the only one who think Chelsea doesn't need Modric? I mean, let's just look at their midfield trio.

------------Mikel/Meireles---------------
Essien/Ramires---------Lampard/McEachren

Very strong and balance indeed. I do think McEachren will become their next big thing, and signing Modric would only hinder his progress.
 
Team Brian GB said:
In a summer where Arteta went for £10.5 Million, Meireles for £12 Million, Nasri for £23 Million and Fabregas for £32 Million, you believe that the first offer that was acceptable was £40 Million? That £22 Million and £27 Million were not?
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Injury prone and ageing, not all that good anymore. Being sold by a club with zero money.
Wanted to be sold on by the club. Club wanted to sell him. Handed in transfer request.
Had one year left on his contract. Another moneybags club.
Arsenal got shafted for that, everyone knows it. Barcelona played dirty.

I didn't say that the first acceptable offer should have been 40 million. No one would have offered that. But if you were serious about buying him, don't wait until the penultimate day to offer something approaching what may have been acceptable to us.

As I said when the first offer came in, if Abrahmovich wanted a player on a cheap from a club who'd be easily bullied by him, he came to the wrong club.
 
KM said:
Jenas was crap and I honestly believe that someone like Livermore can replace him adequately.They've also signed that Spaniard from Juventus on loan who can also midfield. Parker over Palacios is an improvement IMO particularly with the latter's family troubles and the fact that Parker will play his skin to cement his position at the Euros next year.

Harry is a moron for not signing a central defender early in the market so agree with that, but Freidel will give them the stability atleast for the short term in the goal keeping area. Whereas Adebayor is twice the player of Peter Crouch. They've also signed that young Ivory Coast lad who was brilliant at the recent U17 world cup.

I guess they're still lacking in the defense area and one signing would've made it a brilliant window for Spurs, however still it's a pretty good window for them.
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I think Arry would disagree that it's been a good window tbh. He wanted in his words "three top class additions" and didn't get them and has spent most of the summer pissed at his chairman, and is now left with a player who's none too happy with Levy and clearly has no desire to be at Spurs. Redknapp said it was the worst window he's ever had after the City game, and I don't think swapping Parker for Palacios and Jenas is enough to turn it from that to a good, productive window for him and Spurs tbh.
 
WireRed said:
Course they have, Jenas and Palacios have made way for Parker which makes them weaker in depth(and Parker is hardly the type of player that's going to lift them to the next level is he?), Adebayor is an improvement on Crouch but again, they needed to add to that area, not swap like for like with Adebayor offering no guarantee of even being there after this season. Friedel is a decent buy but without strengthening the defence, he'll be exposed anyway and it's not like Gomes or Cudicini were shit options for GK position anyway was it?

Even if they have improved by 1 or 2%(I don't think they have tbh), it's not enough when everyone else they are competing with has improved their squad tenfold with the exception of Arsenal. Liverpool have improved on the back of finishing the season better than Spurs, Chelsea have improved, City have improved, United have improved, and I'd still back Arsenal with every penny to my name to finish above Spurs.
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To be honest, we don't need players who'll lift us to the next level right now. We need players who'll get us back into the CL. Last season, we picked up 11 points from the bottom 5. That's 11 points from 30 against the five worst teams in the league. That was for two main reasons. An appalling strikeforce, that couldn't score, hold up play, make runs in some of these games to save their lives. And being outfought in the centre occasionally.

Adebayor is a big improvement on the three donkeys we had up front last year, even if only for a year and Sandro and Parker allow us more 'combative' options in the centre.

I don't think we'll finish top 4 this season (I'm a bit pessimistic at the moment so probably 6th I'll go for right now) but I don't think top 4 is as out of the question as people are making it out to be.
 
africanspur said:
To be honest, we don't need players who'll lift us to the next level right now. We need players who'll get us back into the CL. Last season, we picked up 11 points from the bottom 5. That's 11 points from 30 against the five worst teams in the league. That was for two main reasons. An appalling strikeforce, that couldn't score, hold up play, make runs in some of these games to save their lives. And being outfought in the centre occasionally.

Adebayor is a big improvement on the three donkeys we had up front last year, even if only for a year and Sandro and Parker allow us more 'combative' options in the centre.

I don't think we'll finish top 4 this season (I'm a bit pessimistic at the moment so probably 6th I'll go for right now) but I don't think top 4 is as out of the question as people are making it out to be.
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You seem one of the more sensible Spurs fans to be fair, and you summary of the situation is about right apart from the bit where you said you don't need the calibre of player to take you to the next level. I think you do and I think your manager does aswell. I see Spurs right now as a banker for top 6 but just short of top 4(I think you've stood still since finishing 4th in 2009-10 whilst others have moved forward), 2-3 world class players(a CB and a forward for sure)would change that and take you into not only CL contention but title contention aswell. You've made enquiries for Aguero, Diarra, and Cahill in the last 12 months without success, had you got them then you'd be certs for CL and title challengers, and that's what I'm trying to get at.
 
Very true. Obviously we had injuries in cm but 8 of the players that started the thrashing against City started the match at Manchester when we sealed CL. Only 3 of theirs had started that match.

Agree about the 2-3 world class players comment as well, especially in those positions. Its frustrating, we're not that far off competing for the title but we've done nothing since qualifying for the CL. I think we may actually have made a net profit in the transfer market since we qualified, which is absolutely disgraceful. What on earth is Levy playing at? I also get the feeling that Redknapp isn't particularly comfortable at this level of transfer dealings. Suarez wanted to come in January but Redknapp thought he'd be too similar to VDV. Ruiz wanted to come this summer, Redknapp said no. When we played Villarreal last summer, we were quoted 18 million for a player now worth 40 and he again said no. Instead, we've gone for the safer, premier league proven option. He seems to be 'bottling it' to a certain extent.

Our season now imo hugely depends on how Adebayor performs. If he's crap or injured for a long period of time, we're stuffed. We'll effectively be exactly where we were last year. Same as if we're unable to wheel Gallas and maybe King out for more than a few games in the season.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Am I the only one who think Chelsea doesn't need Modric? I mean, let's just look at their midfield trio.

------------Mikel/Meireles---------------
Essien/Ramires---------Lampard/McEachren

Very strong and balance indeed. I do think McEachren will become their next big thing, and signing Modric would only hinder his progress.
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Lampard is 33. They need him to replace Lampard. Mikel and Essien are defensive mids while Ramires is a box to box mid. Lampard and now Meireles are the only real playmakers and if they get Modric, he will be their main playmaker.
 
Just as a footnote, it was claimed by some in this thread that Levy's tough stance over Modric would deter any potentially rising stars at Spurs from signing new, long term contracts.

Well, Sandro has just signed a new 5 year contract, as announced today, running until 2016.
 
Footballers turning down the offer of more money?

Nah, can't see it myself.

Shit start to the season for Spurs, eh Glaston? And 'Arry won't hang roung much longer if keeps on being prevented from scratching his transfer itch. It seems you owner and your manager have very different ideas on the best way to run the club.

Just so long as you keep on winning the bickering in the off-season, that's the main thing though. What with Spouds' inevitable return to mediocrity an' all.
 
Chelsea should have tried to sign sneijder - would be the perfect player in a midfield 3 behind the striker and a much better fit for them than modric
 
Pogue Mahone said:
... Shit start to the season for Spurs, eh Glaston? And 'Arry won't hang roung much longer if keeps on being prevented from scratching his transfer itch. It seems you owner and your manager have very different ideas on the best way to run the club.

Just so long as you keep on winning the bickering in the off-season, that's the main thing though. What with Spouds' inevitable return to mediocrity an' all.
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Not a great start, true. But then again we've played 2 of the 3 most difficult fixtures we'll face all season (away to Man. City being the 3rd) and would probably have some points on the board already had our opening fixture (home to Everton) not been postponed due the London riots.

So basically, with the Modric saga now over, with Parker and Adebayor on board and Sandro not too far away from being back, our league season has a chance to properly get going with our 3rd game, this Saturday.

As for Harry, there's a good chance anyway this will be his last season at Spurs due the England job coming up for grabs. This is possibly the main reason why Levy has largely kept his powder (transfer cash) fairly dry ... with maybe one eye on giving any replacement manager a good wadge to work with. We shall see ...
 
That's a new one, Spurs screwed themselves making last minute deals because Levy wanted to hold out cash for players for a manager he may bring in but, has no clue on what he'll want in terms of players and how much they'll cost.

Could the main reason possibly be that Levy is shit at buying quality players for Spurs and he waits too long to make things happen so the club can have a proper pre-season with the happy/content squad that can hit the ground running at the start of the season?

My bet is that Levy didn't find it as easy to sell some players as he thought he would and tried to squeeze every penny out of clubs, once again leaving Spurs to scramble on deadline day to make any deals happen.
 
Levy is shit at buying quality players for Spurs? Do you remember where we were before ENIC and Levy came to the club?

Maybe the reason he is 'shit at buying quality players' or that he waits for things to happen is because of the 5 or so clubs we're trying to compete with, 2 are bankrolled, the other 3 can all offer higher wages, a larger matchday income due to larger stadia while 2 of those 3 can also offer regular Champions league football.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Just as a footnote, it was claimed by some in this thread that Levy's tough stance over Modric would deter any potentially rising stars at Spurs from signing new, long term contracts.

Well, Sandro has just signed a new 5 year contract, as announced today, running until 2016.
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If we're resurrecting threads as footnotes of people being proved wrong I'd like to add a footnote about you being way of the mark with Spurs making £40m selling fringe players. How much was it? Remember, regular starters aren't fringe players.
 
And maybe Sandro was smart enough to demand some sort of get out clause. Anyhow, at 22, a new five year contract (worth a lot more money, I'm sure) is not so bad anyway.
 
acnumber9 said:
If we're resurrecting threads as footnotes of people being proved wrong I'd like to add a footnote about you being way of the mark with Spurs making £40m selling fringe players. How much was it? Remember, regular starters aren't fringe players.
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32 - 33m, which is only just shy of the 35m I cited in one post ... and hardly "way off the mark" in relation to even 40m.

If you add in loan fees we've almost certainly received for Bentley, Jenas, Naughton, Caulker, Khumalo, Mason and several others (and subtract any we've paid for Adebayor) - all unknown sums - then the total is even less "way off the mark".

And yes, a regular-ish starter from last season (Crouch) is a fringe player if they are sold and replaced with an upgrade (Adebayor).
 
GlastonSpur said:
32 - 33m, which is only just shy of the 35m I cited in one post ... and hardly "way off the mark" in relation to even 40m.

If you add in loan fees we've almost certainly received for Bentley, Jenas, Naughton, Caulker, Khumalo, Mason and several others (and subtract any we've paid for Adebayor) - all unknown sums - then the total is even less "way off the mark".

And yes, a regular-ish starter from last season (Crouch) is a fringe player if they are sold and replaced with an upgrade (Adebayor).
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Still chest-pounding over a poor summer for your club are you? Dear oh dear, ask Mr Redknapp himself whether he was happy with the net result of Spurs activities during the summer and you'll get a big fat "NO" and a droopy expression from him.

As for Sandro, he's a good player with further potential to improve, potential that will be killed under Arry and his penchant for signing flavours of the month, the latest being Parker who'll deny Sandro the chance to build on an impressive 3 month spell at the back end of last season.
 
WireRed said:
Still chest-pounding over a poor summer for your club are you? Dear oh dear, ask Mr Redknapp himself whether he was happy with the net result of Spurs activities during the summer and you'll get a big fat "NO" and a droopy expression from him.

As for Sandro, he's a good player with further potential to improve, potential that will be killed under Arry and his penchant for signing flavours of the month, the latest being Parker who'll deny Sandro the chance to build on an impressive 3 month spell at the back end of last season.
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Actually I was responding to the question posed to me a couple of posts above - but perhaps, like with a goldfish, that's too long ago for it still to register with you.

It strikes me that, as with many posters, your only real interest is in attacking and sneering rather than discussion and fair comment. Everything is a pre-determined "negative" for you. Hence:

* Signing Parker is merely translated into "denying Sandro his chance to develop" (despite the rather obvious point that Palacios was sold).

* Signing Parker, Adebayor and Friedel, bring Walker back from loan, keeping Modric, moving on (and off the wage bill) a fair amount of deadwood and signing several young players with real promise ... is all translated into "a poor summer".
 
GlastonSpur said:
Actually I was responding to the question posed to me a couple of posts above - but perhaps, like with a goldfish, that's too long ago for it still register with you.

It strikes me that, as with many posters, your only real interest is in attacking and sneering rather than discussion and fair comment. Everything is a pre-determined "negative" for you. Hence:

* Signing Parker is merely translated into "denying Sandro his chance to develop" (despite the rather obvious point that Palacios was sold).

* Signing Parker, Adebayor and Friedel, bring Walker back from loan, keeping Modric, moving on (and off the wage bill) a fair amount of deadwood and signing several young players with real promise ... is all translated into "a poor summer".
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Nah, not really, I've nothing against you, I'm just waiting for the day you find anything remotely negative about your club and become objective when discussing them. No matter what THFC do, it's dandy, Arry is a genius, sun shines out of Levy's arse, got the bestest players at the bestest club in London etc, try giving it a rest before you bitch about people having an agenda against your agenda(again highlighted by your bumping of this thread because you feel the need to tell everyone you are right about yet another THFC issue). If you wanted to just pass on news of Sandro's deal, bump the thread about that player not a thread dedicated to Modric just so's you can tell us all "told you so" about Spurs being able/unable to retain or attract the top players.

Palacios was a squad player towards the end of his time at Spurs, Parker has been brought in as much more than that and you know it. What with Sandro being injured, Parker being the marquee signing of your summer, and Modric being as good as you say he is, I'll bet that Sandro is the biggest loser in the whole sorry saga of holding onto the unhappy Modric and buying a 31 year old, overrated, flavour of the month player.

Dress it up all you like, Friedel, Parker, and gobshite aren't going to get you to where you aspire to be or where Harry says you should be(challenging for the title apparently:lol:), nor is Walker who although has potential, probably won't even be 1st choice RB. You may see Walker and some of the young players that you've signed bear fruit in the future but they won't deliver CL this season nor will they in future unless you have better summers than this one which despite your protests to the contrary, has been a poor one for Spurs, especially in the context of what the other club's around you have done.
 
GlastonSpur said:
32 - 33m, which is only just shy of the 35m I cited in one post ... and hardly "way off the mark" in relation to even 40m.

If you add in loan fees we've almost certainly received for Bentley, Jenas, Naughton, Caulker, Khumalo, Mason and several others (and subtract any we've paid for Adebayor) - all unknown sums - then the total is even less "way off the mark".

And yes, a regular-ish starter from last season (Crouch) is a fringe player if they are sold and replaced with an upgrade (Adebayor).
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A fringe player is a player on the fringes. Not a regular starter. You claimed you would raise £40m selling fringe players. You even listed them and didn't include Crouch. You were wrong. You should just admit it.
 
Poor Glaston gets unfair abuse here - at least Spurs are a proper team and it's not even as if they are a real rival to United. They are just suffering the knock on effects of the player-greed culture instilled by clubs like the Renties and Shitty (whose 'fans' should be the real target of any scorn)
 
Crustanoid said:
Poor Glaston gets unfair abuse here - at least Spurs are a proper team and it's not even as if they are a real rival to United. They are just suffering the knock on effects of the player-greed culture instilled by clubs like the Renties and Shitty (whose 'fans' should be the real target of any scorn)
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Finally some sense!

To many posters with post transferwindow opinions and less knowledge how to run a football club. Tottenham and Levy kept their star players, Arsenal and Wenger didn't. I prefer the way Tottenham handle their business.
 
wenger and arsenal held on to fabregas for a couple of seasons though. he had made up his mind quite some time back. i'd be amazed if modric is a spurs player in 2-3 yrs time.
 
7even said:
Finally some sense!

To many posters with post transferwindow opinions and less knowledge how to run a football club. Tottenham and Levy kept their star players, Arsenal and Wenger didn't. I prefer the way Tottenham handle their business.
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I think Miereles and Liverpool are a better comparison.
 
7even said:
Finally some sense!

To many posters with post transferwindow opinions and less knowledge how to run a football club. Tottenham and Levy kept their star players, Arsenal and Wenger didn't. I prefer the way Tottenham handle their business.
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Do you think Tottenham will finish above Arsenal?

Arsenal have a team where their top players actually want to be there. Tottenham dont. This will pay off
 
Ekeke said:
Do you think Tottenham will finish above Arsenal?

Arsenal have a team where their top players actually want to be there. Tottenham dont. This will pay off
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Can you be sure about that? That statement goes against the culture which has been evident at the club since the nineties
 
Ekeke said:
Do you think Tottenham will finish above Arsenal?

Arsenal have a team where their top players actually want to be there. Tottenham dont. This will pay off
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Fabregas and Nasri disagree with this
 
Crustanoid said:
Can you be sure about that? That statement goes against the culture which has been evident at the club since the nineties
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It's players want to play in winning teams. You look at players like Szczesny who will become a world class keeper - if he's not winning things here, he'll leave at some point. RVP clearly loves Arsenal, but his loyalty shall come into question soon.

A lot is made of the loyalty shown by United players, and indeed, players like Scholes, Giggs and the like showed loyalty given that they had won everything yet still decided to see out their careers there. But it's easier to be loyal to a side that satisfies your ambitions. Valencia, for example, looks the sort who'll stay at United for life, but he wouldn't stay at Wigan for life, would he? It's a two way street - a player has to show loyalty, but a club has to show him the ambition to ensure the loyalty remains.
 
alastair said:
It's players want to play in winning teams. You look at players like Szczesny who will become a world class keeper - if he's not winning things here, he'll leave at some point. RVP clearly loves Arsenal, but his loyalty shall come into question soon.

A lot is made of the loyalty shown by United players, and indeed, players like Scholes, Giggs and the like showed loyalty given that they had won everything yet still decided to see out their careers there. But it's easier to be loyal to a side that satisfies your ambitions. Valencia, for example, looks the sort who'll stay at United for life, but he wouldn't stay at Wigan for life, would he? It's a two way street - a player has to show loyalty, but a club has to show him the ambition to ensure the loyalty remains.
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I completely agree. Arsenal have had a mixture of glory hunters who have left when the team was actually contending for trophies (ie Anelka or Cashley) and some more recently who you feel might have left because they perceive the chances of Arse being at the top grow slimmer. I think Nasri is probably an example of this - compare him to Thierry Henry who stayed at Arsenal during his peak years when you were winning stuff regularly. Unfortunately a major factor is the financial doping of City and Chelsea. It's not really Wenger's fault
 
alastair said:
It's players want to play in winning teams. You look at players like Szczesny who will become a world class keeper - if he's not winning things here, he'll leave at some point. RVP clearly loves Arsenal, but his loyalty shall come into question soon.

A lot is made of the loyalty shown by United players, and indeed, players like Scholes, Giggs and the like showed loyalty given that they had won everything yet still decided to see out their careers there. But it's easier to be loyal to a side that satisfies your ambitions. Valencia, for example, looks the sort who'll stay at United for life, but he wouldn't stay at Wigan for life, would he? It's a two way street - a player has to show loyalty, but a club has to show him the ambition to ensure the loyalty remains.
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I think thats pretty spot on.

Look at ourselves, and the "mystery" player Ferguson talked about not willing to wait for Rooney and Ronaldo to mature. Ruud left when the trophies dried up, but in doing so missed our richest spell.
 
Ekeke said:
Do you think Tottenham will finish above Arsenal?

Arsenal have a team where their top players actually want to be there. Tottenham dont. This will pay off
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You just don't sell your two best players at the same time. It sends the wrong message and no matter of the circumstances it's badwil and bad business.

It will take Arsenal many many years to become a force again.
 
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