2 decisions but we've had many go against us.
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Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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2 decisions but we've had many go against us.
You said we focus on a 'big man first' strategy that we need to get away from.
Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Matic, Valencia and Jones are all 'big men', yet are some of our best players and are on the same level as the top City players.
We have quality players like Martial, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, De Gea, Rashford, Matic and Lukaku who could all play for City, so people need to stop moaning and being negative.
Fellaini and Lingard are of course squad players that should and will get limited minutes.
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De Gea and Pogba yes. The rest no.
Martial is as good as Sane.
Matic would start ahead of Fernandinho.
I'd easily have Jones and Bailly ahead of Otamendi and Stones. Jones has a poor injury record, but when he plays he's a better player.
Valencia is level with Walker. There is probably no difference between the two.
Rashford could easily replace Sterling in the City squad and I think has a higher ceiling.
Anyway I won't get into squad comparison in depth as they are silly but just because City are in great form, doesn't mean people should be so negative about United.
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Look, it was more about you rarely responding at all when people answer your posts - I’m still waiting for you to respond to my riposte to your laughable post way back in August or whenever that City are to blame for all the problems at Arsenal
You’re right about one thing though - we’re not going to change each other’s minds so let’s get back to the football.
In which case it just highlights how much better Pep is than Jose. Either the squad is well ahead, or the manager, or both. The difference between the two sides is significant at the moment.
City are in great form atm of course, I've written that down clearly. I'll judge it at the end of the season though, if Pep actually manages to win anything, as being well ahead in November means rather little. The nice Christmas period will be the first point of interest.
Lots of things and decisions have also been going Citys way, Kompany not being sent off today and off side goals v Arsenal as recent examples.
Jose is a few trophies ahead with United if you really wanted to do a manager comparison though.
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You're conflating success on the field with commercial success. Of course they are linked, but someone said that I think United are financially illiterate. I don't think that's the case, but given their success on the field, I think they could have done more off the field than they have. In the same way Rooney had an incredible football career at United, but I don't think he was as good as he could have been if he had fully maximised his potential. That's doesn't mean he wasn't an amazing footballer. But he could have been even better. There;s not much to say on your final sentence that hasn't been said on here by myself & others over the last few pages - people keep saying our profits are artificially inflated, but they can't give a single factual example to support the allegation.
Struggling to see where they drop points.
I don’t think any of those players could play for City, unless Guardiola is ready to throw his possession and pressing games out of the window. It isn’t that your players lack skill or pace, they don’t, but four of them don’t have sufficient mobility or cover sufficient ground, and the two wide men are not as good at that job as ours.
You have a great keeper, but he can’t sweep and distribute as well as Ederson does.
Yes because the people that artificially inflated these figures know how to hide it. It's the same thing with the 'paradise papers' and 'panama papers'. That was the proof how rich people get away without paying taxes. Similarly everyone kept saying without proof that the US had a survielance programme. Snowdens leaks showed it.
Just think of it logically. Your growth is bigger than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea and Bayern Munich. Is that possible?
Injuries and/or poor finishing, otherwise they will be difficult to beat. They will not get complacent and they deal with adversity like you'd expect from a champion caliber side. Stones injury will complicate things for them but they look the team to beat atm. A lot will have to go against them to come out on the losing end. Still, I fully expect them to fortify in the winter as well as continue to improve
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What a weird thing to say, so if ADUG can skew figures successfully without any consequences, why can't the Glazers? Please explain now Im curious
Hopefully in the winter they'll tire. Somehow.
Glazers don't need to as we can already comply with FFP. Plus for Glazers this is a business not a PR exercise. They are not going to be putting any money into the club.
If you are talking about skewing figures to get out of paying taxes, I am sure they do some hocus pocus there; but we are not talking about that.
Pep's setup is so good that I truly believe they can play two midfielders (Yaya and gundogan) instead of defenders and still comfortably win games without much input from said midfielders. That is unique to Pep.
Luckily for them If De Bruyne gets injured they have great players behind me, with United when Pogba got injured we had fecking Herrera and Fellaini. If we had players like the both silvas in our team when Pogs was injured I think we would've been much closer to City.
The difference is due to us being without our best player for an extended run of games. This coupled with you having a lot of luck with injuries, & contentious decisions has enabled you to build a lead.
Will be very interesting how you fare when KDB is out for a few games. I know you supposedly have cover but i don't think either of the Silvas are on his level ATM. Much like us without Pogba you will struggle to open up teams.
Don't talk nonsense!
You think top players such as Matic, Pogba and Martial, who have played to a high level under several different managers, in several different teams/leagues and on the international stage, could not play for Pep in this City side?
What can Fernandinho do that Matic can't?
What can Silva do that Pogba can't?
What can Sane do that Martial can't?
Jones and Bailly are both better than Stones and Otamendi, so I'll not even ask you that question.
Those players would easily play for City. Also Matic and Pogba have better mobility than Silva and Fernandinho, so don't spin such bullshit.
Herrera would do fine under Pep IMO. It's different systems. Mourinho's makes us very reliant on personnel in an attacking sense, while being more about defensive organization, while Peps gets everyone needing to be very technical players and playing the same way. Of course they'd feel it big time if De Bruyne got injured, but they'd still dominate teams as it's their style. No need to underrate our own players. Herrera was our player of the season last year and I'm sure Pep would use him plenty if he had him, as he fits that play style pretty well. Excellent short passer of the ball, very good touch, can pass and move all the time, and presses like crazy. He just doesn't fit that much in Mourinho's system as a Pogba back up as that's not his game.
You weren’t saying that before the international break
I think you're exaggerating a little but I do generally agree. Both started from more or less the same point squad wise, spent the same amount and have been at the clubs the same amount of time, in the same city, but Pep's system is just way more entertaining and when it all clicks, makes it hard to go at them from a defensive stand point. Mourinho's been successful here too of course, and both sides with no injuries over the course of a full season I'm pretty sure would be pretty close points wise. Pep's would just have like a +30 goal difference over Mou's and probably that bit extra points for being brave in tougher away games where Mourinho settles for goalless draws and sometimes loses.
Well tbh, regardless of ref decisions, they are probably the best team in Europe right now.
That someone says Martial is better than Sane is quite literally insane.
Maybe somehow Martial can kick on and start putting in match winning performances like Sane has been. But he hasn’t yet.
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You clearly can't read.
'As good as' means on the same level.
What's insane about that? Or do you just want to blow smoke up the City players arse and ignore the sheer quality of Martial? Typical from you.
Martial has put in plenty of match winning performances for United over the last few seasons, so take the blinkers off.
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For me( and i know that many will argue about this)- no way. English teams and managers are scared of them but others will not be . They still don't know how to defend or to say it better, their game plan and lineup is set too much offensive. Because every manager in league thinks like you. It is mighty city, lets defend whole game and wait for counter.
Can't wait their games against real, barca , bayern or psg. These games will show how to play against city.
Edit: i think that pep is a fraud so maybe i am not objective here
Martial is better than sane.
Huh? Didn't you watch France vs Germany? Martial is much better than Sane. The problem is he is playing for United that is not attacking team, City is attacking team, it makes sense of why sane looking good with his stats.
Martial has 8 goals and 5 assists and Sane has 8 goals and 8 assists. Hardly that much of a difference, is it?
Sane is playing in the free flowing City side and Martial has played 447 less minutes also.
It’s a response to the point he made and nothing to do with my thoughts. I think Pep and Jose are very similar in ability but thrive with different squads. Pep will take a better squad further but Mourinho would be more effective with a less talented squad.
If Martial is let off the leash and plays every week i.e. at city, he would be flying like debut season.
Bernardo Silva had no issues opening up and running teams in the CL last season. Silva for me is more magical than Kevin.
You didn’t mention Bailly first time round. I don’t include Bailly.
I wasn’t having a go at any of your players, just stating that heavyweights are less mobile than lightweights, and if you can’t see such a difference between Pogba and Silva, Lukaku and Aguero, Ibrahimovic and Jesus, what the heck are you watching?
Matic is a closer call. I think Fernandinho comes closer to Kante’s style, which is why I prefer him.
Nah. Just watch the two teams play and it’s clear to anyone without bias that City are leagues ahead.
That is just BS. Clearly, you haven’t watch him properly.
Loving the BBC orgasm for City, it's fantastic.
They are predicting City to finish on 108 points - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42038034
"If Man City continue to win points at an average of 2.83 per game, they are on track for 108 points."
QUICK MATHS
They are predicting City to finish on 108 points - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42038034
"If Man City continue to win points at an average of 2.83 per game, they are on track for 108 points."
QUICK MATHS
So now we have managed to build a lead because of luck and contentious referee decisions. Alright mate!
Some absolute drivel on here.
Some absolute drivel on here.
Well their form is the same in CL though, beating Napoli convincingly (by far the best team in Italy at the moment, better than Juventus who was CL finalist last season) whereas the likes of Spur beating Madrid in CL (champion last season) proves there's no point to discredit English team being inferior.
Martial, Matic, and Pogba are all class, but I do not think they would make City's starting lineup because of how the team is set up though Matic would be awfully close.
The comparison between Pogba and Silva is flawed because of how different they are. Silva isn't a flair player what he does though is completely control the possession game of city and is remarkable at finding those little gaps between the lines. He keeps possession ticking. The better comparison would be KDB vs Pogba because both of them play with a touch of risk to make play open up. Having both of them in together would cede too much possession for Pep's system. In a comparison of pogba vs kdb have to give it to kdb. Enough has been said about both where I don't feel I need to explain why, but in some teams I can see the comparison going pogbas way.
Between Martial and Sane there is one thing that Martial will never be able to offer that Sane can and that is his blistering pace. Our counter happens so quickly because of it. Also, KDB can just play those passes of his into a much wider window of space because he knows Sane will get there first. Not going to get into any comparisons of dribbling, passing, or shooting. Both are very skillful in all departments, but the addition of the pace of Sane makes him incredibly scary to defend against.
Fernandinho vs Matic is so close could call it a toss up. You have your red tinted and I have my blue tinted glasses. Think Fernandinho is just a slightly better passer of the ball and better aerially.
For those defenders you say there is no comparison I would just say Pep values certain charecteristics more so then most when evaluating defenders and the plaudits Stone has had recently both for City and England are a reflection of how much he has improved this year.
I’m already sick of the media arse licking of them and Pep.
BBC today ‘the best football in Premier League history’, ‘their players are artists’, ‘this could be another invincibles season’.
Maybe it’s all part of the media hype these days but the season is still only 12 games through.
Yesterday Kompany should have been sent off in the first minute. Arsenal they had an offside goal and a soft penalty. Burnley their first goal was a dive by Bernardo Silva for a penalty. That opened Burnley’s defence and eventually finished 3-0. Silva didn’t receive a ban. These are all big decisions in their favour.
I’ll give some credit to Guardiola as they are playing great football and even made Sterling look like a footballer. But after a terrible season last year he has bought his way out of a hole. That isn’t football genius, that is simply having more resources than anyone else.
This is the first season that the oil money has finally taken over. Both City and PSG are favourites to win the Champions League for one reason only, they can blow anyone out the transfer window now.
BBC today ‘the best football in Premier League history’, ‘their players are artists’, ‘this could be another invincibles season’.
Maybe it’s all part of the media hype these days but the season is still only 12 games through.
Yesterday Kompany should have been sent off in the first minute. Arsenal they had an offside goal and a soft penalty. Burnley their first goal was a dive by Bernardo Silva for a penalty. That opened Burnley’s defence and eventually finished 3-0. Silva didn’t receive a ban. These are all big decisions in their favour.
I’ll give some credit to Guardiola as they are playing great football and even made Sterling look like a footballer. But after a terrible season last year he has bought his way out of a hole. That isn’t football genius, that is simply having more resources than anyone else.
This is the first season that the oil money has finally taken over. Both City and PSG are favourites to win the Champions League for one reason only, they can blow anyone out the transfer window now.