Clearly Jose doesn't think so. Else he wouldn't come on in games when we need to defend.
Marouane Fellaini gets 12 month contract extension clause triggered
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Clearly Jose doesn't think so. Else he wouldn't come on in games when we need to defend.
Definitely can see us selling him off in the summer. This is just to get a decent money on the transfer. No player in their 20's gets 1 year extensions.
Well clearly, but it still baffles me. There was a whole run of games rigt before we started our winning run where we'd bring Fellaini on to help defend a lead and then we'd get scored on. It wasn't always Fellaini's fault but he clearly wasn't doing much to help us defend the lead either.
Really not pleased with this. He's not good enough for a team that should be fighting to be the best in the World. He probably wouldn't have even got past the first January transfer window (January 2014) unsold if this was Madrid or Barca.
If he is to stay though, I just hope it's to come on as a late Striker rather than a midfielder
If he is to stay though, I just hope it's to come on as a late Striker rather than a midfielder
7 goals in 4 years here and he's mostly been used in a more advanced midfield position... Not sure where to find his assist numbers but either way that's not exactly a great return.
A ready made scapegoat. All good United sides gave one. Bring on the good times.
Closer to 2-3 months mate he was preferred in the first few games of the season, that didnt last long.
Since late Nov/Dec Jose has decided which formation and players he prefers. And its shown in results.
Yep.
I mean only the last month that Schneiderlin had decided to leave. Or did Jose say the situation had been like that for some time?
Mourinho never spoke of a specific date mate but we can guess from the fact Schneiderlin hasn't started a game since early November and hasn't even had a 5 min cameo since the middle of the same month. That he probably asked to leave around mid November if i had to put money on it.
To be fair, he has scored some decent goals along the way:
If your only going to judge him on one league game and a charity Shield match I can say without his Fa cup semi final goal and his assist in the final we wouldn't have win a trophy .
It's easy to knock a player you don't like on one or two errors..De Gea has probably made more mistakes . The fact three successive managers and the players rate him and want him to play is more than enough for me however.
it baffles you because your view is different from reality
the games he featured on as a sub this season(from whoscored)
3-1 vs northampton - played last 17 mins and conceded a goal through a Pen in first half. we actually scored a goal
0-0 vs Burnley - 17 mins (brought on after we looked vulnerable post herrera sending off)
1-1 vs west ham - last 5 mins (west ham goal scored in 1st minute)
1-1 vs everton - last 5 mins (conceded a penalty)
2-0 vs zorya - last 20 mins
1-0 vs spurs - played maybe 2 mins of injury time
2-0 vs wba - last 6 mins
3-1 vs sunderland - last 6 mins conceded through a wonder goal from borini. made no difference to us as we were winning anyway
2-0 vs hull - last 11 mins and he scored.
everton and sunderland game aside, we didnt concede in a single game he was brought on. Sunderland game its harsh to blame him for the goal as it was a goal nobody could have really done anything for that. you have just proved the issue here many have. People blame him for things they think he did and not things he has actually done.
Perhaps you should see my other post just above your post before you wrongly claim I have judged him on one play
We didn't do that with Evra.
We extended his contract because we wanted him to stay, he didn't want to and we allowed him to leave for a minimal fee.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-United-captain-urges-Juventus-sign-Nani.html
Well I can't really argue with that and respect the time you took to look all that up. You're right, I was mostly basing it off apparently incorrect memories.
That said, I still think despite him being an alright player that he is just distinctly not good enough for us and that we should be aiming much higher, even just for someone to come off the bench.
TFM might be able to do it really well in the future and I have high hopes for him, but he's a kid isn't he. Also TFM's positional awareness always seems a bit off, which I'm not saying he won't improve, but he needs to do before he can have that trusted role that Fellaini has right now.
Hopefully within three ish maybe four years Fuso Mensah can come into the position Carrick is in now and play full matches, but I think Mou would still fancy a big "donkey" type player to bring on late.
I'd like to see TFM get matches at left back this season, since we don't have one that is pulling up any trees, it would be great for teaching him to be disciplined for if he does ever move to midfield.
Reading his Wikipedia entry this stood out for me and summarises why I think we should be OK with this contract extension:
"He made his debut for the club on 14 September, in a 2–0 home win against Crystal Palace, coming on as a 62nd-minute substitute for Anderson";
There is an irrational tendency to dislike some 'squad' players on the Caf but the fact is that, as the Fergie years should have taught us, squad depth and player management are key for successfully challenging on several fronts concurrently and that is where Manchester United aspires to be. Mou knows this even if we fickle fans chose not to see it.
In the past players like Anderson, who was also happy to sit on the (straining) bench, have been loved by the fans seemingly for no other reason than a jolly disposition. Fellaini is a combative and reasonably skilful player who keeps fit, always gives 100 %, doesn't grumble about often being a fringe player and who chips in with the odd (and vital) goal.
There is also an element of being tarred by the Moyes brush of incompetence here: It is not Marouane's fault that dithering Dave managed to pay more for him than his release clause and then did not seem to know what to do with him once he got him into the club.
At the time of his signing it was well documented that Fellaini had forgone some payments he was due in order to get the transfer pushed through but he has garnered no good will from this, the association with Moyes seemingly being too damning in most fans' eyes.
He is an international level player with multiple caps (and goals) for a quality Belgian side. He has qualities that no other player in our squad has and brings a plan B to the table that otherwise we'd lack - witness the second, possibly decisive, goal in a semi-final this week.
Yes he looks like a cross between a bog brush and jar jar binks on ice sometimes. You try not looking as awkward and uncoordinated as Peter Crouch occasionally when you are 6 foot 11 or whatever he is. Yes he looks rusty and struggling to keep up with game pace sometimes. He never gets much of a consistent run in the team after all. Get over it - he is a decent squad player and has done more for United than Morgan Schneiderlin (or Anderson) ever did and I for one think we United fans should give him a break.
"He made his debut for the club on 14 September, in a 2–0 home win against Crystal Palace, coming on as a 62nd-minute substitute for Anderson";
There is an irrational tendency to dislike some 'squad' players on the Caf but the fact is that, as the Fergie years should have taught us, squad depth and player management are key for successfully challenging on several fronts concurrently and that is where Manchester United aspires to be. Mou knows this even if we fickle fans chose not to see it.
In the past players like Anderson, who was also happy to sit on the (straining) bench, have been loved by the fans seemingly for no other reason than a jolly disposition. Fellaini is a combative and reasonably skilful player who keeps fit, always gives 100 %, doesn't grumble about often being a fringe player and who chips in with the odd (and vital) goal.
There is also an element of being tarred by the Moyes brush of incompetence here: It is not Marouane's fault that dithering Dave managed to pay more for him than his release clause and then did not seem to know what to do with him once he got him into the club.
At the time of his signing it was well documented that Fellaini had forgone some payments he was due in order to get the transfer pushed through but he has garnered no good will from this, the association with Moyes seemingly being too damning in most fans' eyes.
He is an international level player with multiple caps (and goals) for a quality Belgian side. He has qualities that no other player in our squad has and brings a plan B to the table that otherwise we'd lack - witness the second, possibly decisive, goal in a semi-final this week.
Yes he looks like a cross between a bog brush and jar jar binks on ice sometimes. You try not looking as awkward and uncoordinated as Peter Crouch occasionally when you are 6 foot 11 or whatever he is. Yes he looks rusty and struggling to keep up with game pace sometimes. He never gets much of a consistent run in the team after all. Get over it - he is a decent squad player and has done more for United than Morgan Schneiderlin (or Anderson) ever did and I for one think we United fans should give him a break.
Nothing wrong with that, solid squad option, better than plenty of the top 6's squad options. Probably the best plan B in the league when you are desperate for a goal.
He has also done a pretty decent job in midfield every time he has been called upon.
Seems to be some very irrational hatred of Fellaini. Is he perfect? No. Is he a decent option to have? Yes.
He has also done a pretty decent job in midfield every time he has been called upon.
Seems to be some very irrational hatred of Fellaini. Is he perfect? No. Is he a decent option to have? Yes.
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Fair play to him. He's a good player to have in the squad. Not in my starting 11 but good for plan B
He will be gone this summer.
This..... hopefully
This squad option thing is not how I remember it. A squad player is player that though isn't guaranteed a starting berth in the best XI when they all are fit and in form is able to slot in into the first XI as soon as there is an opening. That's means he must capable and adapt at football to a high standard of at least what the team and to achieve. Under Fergie, we had squad players like Wes Brown, O'Shea, OGS, Butt et al, players who anyone would be happy to start of even have an extended run of games it required. Jones, Romero, Blind, Rashford and to a lesser extent Mata are all what I would call squad players. Fellaini is anything but a squad player imo, he's nothing more than a plan C or D when A and B or C have failed. Such are poor standards that we have set for ourselves that we have an international player that is good for one thing, a battering ram and nothing more. What's even worse is that we are ok because he doesn't moan for being on the bench. That's stuff that's acceptable for a youth player on the fringe of the first team and not an experienced player who's just happy to be an extra. I don't see how Fellaini will be applying any sort of pressure on the likes of Pogba, Herrera and Carrick. I'm almost certain that it TFM gets an extended run, Fellaini will not bother him in the slightest.
Until we are ready to move Fellaini on, we would continue to settle for less.
Until we are ready to move Fellaini on, we would continue to settle for less.
Whether we wanted him to stay or not is a moot point mate. The club took up the option they had on his contract so they could recoup a fee if he left. Which they did i think it was £2-3m from Juve, these 4+1 year contracts are designed to protect the club not the player.
That isnt true either(It's Juventus, the biggest cheapskates on the market)
Less than that actually(1.2mil) Hardly amounts that United would greatly benefit from.
What else wasn't true?
Anyway seeing as we are being exact here, it was £1.2m rising to £1.5m if they qualified for the 15/16 CL (which they did).
And it did benefit United, it benefited the club to the tune of £1.5m more than the £0.0m they would have got had they not extended his contract for the extra year.
Hopefully this is a way to get some money from him when we sell him because otherwise I'm baffled he is still at the club
I'm fine with fellaini if we use him correctly. Someone like Mata & even Lingard should be miles ahead of him in terms of importance.
The thing with Fellaini is that I don't even think a club like stoke would buy him because his move to us has skewed his value in terms of wages & transfer fee.
The thing with Fellaini is that I don't even think a club like stoke would buy him because his move to us has skewed his value in terms of wages & transfer fee.
The thing is that a club like Stoke will not want Fellaini now, at least not under Mark Hughes. Fellaini will never get ahead of Imbula or Allen or Whelan or Adam in midfield. Look at the type of players they have in forward positions, Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri, Bony and they are looking at Berainho. How can they fit a player like Fellaini in that system, even Crouch, a better and bigger goal threat hardly plays. The only club I can see him going is Sunderland under Moyes and even they don't have the money.
The only way to offload him is by selling to foreign clubs but we will have to small a very small fee.
This is nonsense. Players get criticised when they play poorly, or when they aren't good enough. This has mostly been what's happened with Fellaini. When he's played well, he's received praise.
He's hardly the only figure in the side who's been criticised over the past year or so. Rooney's been slated (again, because he's not been very good), and hell, even the likes of Ibra and Pogba have come in for plenty of criticism this season when we were in poor form, despite the number of goals the former of those two has given us.
You ever watched them play mate.
Being Irish I unfortunately have.
Fellaini would be Stoke's best player bar an in form Arnautovic and Shaqiri and perhaps Allen.
I seriously doubt that mate. Not even with the way they play. Maybe Stoke of a few years ago but not today's Stoke
You ever watched them play mate.
Being Irish I unfortunately have.
Fellaini would be Stoke's best player bar an in form Arnautovic and Shaqiri and perhaps Allen.
Stoke have played woeful football this season with their so called top players like Bojan, Shaqiri, Imbula and Afellay often not selected to start and sometimes not even in the eighteen.
Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch are consistent starters and all are abysmal bar Walters who is mediocre.
Their better players have poor attitudes and are benched for far lesser players.
Fellaini is a good player with a great attitude and would instantly be one of if not Stoke's best player as he was at Everton.
The team in poor does not equate to poor players. You are just making up stuff that their best players have been dropped because of poor attitudes, to which you have no evidence for. Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri, Walters, Imbula, Adam, Bony, Allen etc on their day will bring more to the table than Fellaini. All fit and firing, who will Fellaini displace?
It's your opinion that Fellaini is a good player but as far United is concerned he is bang average.
I don't remember any season where Fellaini was the best player at Everton. This is just the second half of the myth that United fans hold having been scarred by that game where Fellaini played well when we played with no defenders. Tim Cahill, Baines, Jagielka, Coleman have always outperformed him in his time there.
Had a very good game changing cameo today, cementing his status as a plan B at least.
Not sure Jose will be ready to offload in the summer as some are suggesting...
Not sure Jose will be ready to offload in the summer as some are suggesting...
Good reaction to new contract, would have dropped the point today if not for his big head
If you wanted a manager that would do the thing that doesn't work for 94 mins and lose, well city got him, we got mou
If you wanted a manager that would do the thing that doesn't work for 94 mins and lose, well city got him, we got mou
Gives us options and to be honest was good today when he came on. Seems a decent guy as well.
He did alright today, to his credit. But he just looks like he's 'in the way' all the time.
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