He will stay.
I'd bet my life on it.
I'd bet my life on it.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
can we recall Wellbeck?
This was never about transfer policy, just a greedy youngster with issues being tapped up during the World Cup.
There's a positive for you. An interesting group-stage CL match.
Nani and Berbatov as our talismen now.
I like it
I like it
errr when were you title favourites? certainly not for the last 2 seasons...
he wouldn't go to city. he just wouldn't. real or barca.
Who the feck is tapping him out? Surely it has to be only City. On another note, i wonder if Mourinho would still be keen to take over once Fergie resigns. There can never be a bigger challenge, ie to rebuilt a dynasty.
Why? Berba, Chicharito, Owen, Macheda is enough.
if he doesn't are you going to commit suicide?
Well you couldn't do much about the ticket increases but when we were plc we had a wage limited which meant we couldn't go for batastuta and probably others. It's not the prices of players but the wage structure
now you're just being silly.
Dont you think things are bad enough as it is!?
Fixed
Why not? They have unlimted money. Balotelli was a coup for them because of his status, imagine how massive it would be for Rooney to go there!
Besides, if this was sorted this summer for next, it gives them ample opportunity to get rid of Adeybeyor.
Yeah muppetry is just an unsophisticated defense mechanism on my part.
Carroll and Joey Barton please Mr Ashley...
I stand by it, still think he's off abroad in all honesty
why not? one player is not going to deter Maurinho. SAF will leave him a darn good team, even without Rooney.
If the club had known about the deal, how could have Fergie not found out?
We sold Ronaldo, we sold Tevez, brought in a bunch of children. He doesn't want to spend his remaining years hunting for that elusive 4th spot. He clearly doesn't believe in the team and wants to move on. It can only be ambition.
I dOn'T tHiNk So...
Fergie's hung him out to dry anyway.
I don't think there's anyway back for Rooney even if he did want it, and I reckon the Press conference and interview were more about appearing diplomatic than anything else.
Inwardly Fergie would have to be fuming to come out and say anything like that about one of his own players, but he's worded it all carefully because he's still got to keep the squad undivided and such while Rooney is still there.
We wont get the juicy stuff until after Rooney's fecked off.
I don't think there's anyway back for Rooney even if he did want it, and I reckon the Press conference and interview were more about appearing diplomatic than anything else.
Inwardly Fergie would have to be fuming to come out and say anything like that about one of his own players, but he's worded it all carefully because he's still got to keep the squad undivided and such while Rooney is still there.
We wont get the juicy stuff until after Rooney's fecked off.
It has to be shitty. If it were one of the foreign lot, it'd have been played out all over their papers for the last year or so.
There has been talk of Rooney to Madrid/Barca, but not enough to make it one of those inevitable transfers.
I personally couldn't give two shits about maureen. However, it will take a certain mentality to take us on after SAF goes. Either that or we invest the Rooney and Ronaldo money in research to stop the ageing process.
Yes. Samurai style. I have my grandfather's sword in my living room, it's a bit rusty but it'll do for now, next time I'll get the new platinum crusted swords
Even the fans lack Ambition by the looks of here!! Jeezzz
The guy has been a cnut about it that is for sure and like i've always thought he'll be finished by the time he's 28 and feck Englands fans too. However he needs to be replaced with 'QUALITY' not no bloody Welbeck.
The guy has been a cnut about it that is for sure and like i've always thought he'll be finished by the time he's 28 and feck Englands fans too. However he needs to be replaced with 'QUALITY' not no bloody Welbeck.
Not a hope in hell. Once a blue always a red...That's what Loyal support is.
Re-read it, I never said the club knew about the deal.
Yep, I pretty much agree with all that.
The United home page on facebook says: United were prepared to offer Rooney a recrod deal....the door is still open for Wayne to remain with the Reds.
I think there is a game of brinksmanship being played out through the media - it started with Rooney's agents feeding the news that he 'wants to leave' and has been escalated by his silence. Rooney's silence on his 'private life' and now his deliberate manipulation of the contract negotiations don't reflect at all well on him. Manchester United supporters now need to ask themselves the same question you ask - 'do we want a character like this at our club?'. Personally, I'm not sure I do - I said that to you a couple of weeks ago.
However, Ferguson's words today indicate they do want him, they are 'leaving the door open' - unprecedented from Ferguson in a stand-off between player and boss. So the big question for me is 'just how bad a state is the squad in?'. In a sense, despite Rooney's awful behaviour, Ferguson seems to be allowing the club to be held to ransom. I know Rooney is a unique talent, I know he was on fire last year, I know he is the best player we have. Arguably he is the only truly world class player we have. And therein lies the problem. United's all around squad, like it or not, is weak.
Our two best midfielder's are in their twilight, as is our keeper. Our defence is under-performing - perhaps because of lack of competition in the full back positions? Ironically, our forwards (including Nani) are delivering. So you could be forgiven for asking do we need Rooney that badly. I think Ferguson's statement today is a deliberate move to reassert his own power whilst also signaling to Rooney that 'we need you' - a delicate balancing act for any manager. And, despite all of my better instincts on Rooney's character, as a club we may need him for reasons of perception - as an expression of our financial resolve.
Losing Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney two and a half years on from Moscow might actually be a signal to the footballing world that a demonstrable power-shift has taken hold in the EPL pecking order. And this time it could be viewed as a permanent power-shift. One that could be fatal to Ferguson's legacy. Of course all of this is tied up in the club finances. Personally I am not worried about the finances, in the medium term. Last year's bond issue takes the pressure off for the foreseeable future.
The real issue is our continued ability to challenge for the top two honors. Any sense that United might slump to forth place (or worse) would simply be unacceptable - particularly in financial terms. And, I think, that is where the Rooney issue really matters. If United start to be seen as second class citizens due the financial might of Chelsea and City the rot could set in pretty quickly.
So this saga is actually a battle of perceptions. Think of the chronology of events:
Jul 2003 - Chelsea are taken over by a Russian oligarch, an unprecedented spending spree ensues
Aug 2003 - United sign unknown teenager Ronaldo
Aug 2004 - United flex their continued financial strength and sign Wayne Rooney
May 2005 - United are taken over by the Glazers
May 2008 - United beat Chelsea in the Champions League Final in Moscow, balance to universe is restored
Sept 2008 - City taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group for Development
Sept 2008 - United sign Berbatov, flexing their financial strength despite City's best efforts
May 2009 - City sign Tevez from United, the first signs of financial weakness at United underscored by the subsequent sale of Ronaldo
May 2010 - United sign Chicarito, another masterstroke akin to the Aug 2003 signing of an unknown teenager?
Sept 2010 - Rooney plunges United into crisis.....
The key figure in all of this is Ferguson, his ability to manage how the club is perceived. At the heart of that perception is the view of Manchester United as the top club in England where youth, flair and flamboyance triumphs. The question is does Ferguson think Rooney still has more to give at the ripe old age of 24 or is Rooney to be condemned to history as 'another one of the footballing mercenaries'.
I honestly believe if he is to leave then he should be let go to City to undermine, devalue and demystify any tainted title they win. In the meantime United can rebuild around the youth and by replacing our evergreen midfielders. Yes it might be barren couple of years but the heart of the club is at stake here. Will this happen? Based on what I've heard from Ferguson in the press today, no I don't. I think Ferguson views securing Wayne Rooney's signature for another four years as a statement of intent with the current crop.
Sadly, this episode could be Ferguson's final major act at Manchester United. He tried to manage the Tevez situation via the media but should have learned that ultimately money talks with the modern day footballer - hardly surprising given the seemingly bottomless pit of cash available at City. My fear, is not around the finances, but that the changes in the game outside of Manchester United could actually spell a sad end for the great man. His legacy should be a squad of players young enough to have great futures and aware enough of the privilege it is to play for Manchester United. In the end his legacy may be that he leaves behind a squad of average young talent and a hodge podge of mercenaries - leaving United in the just the same place as the rest of the Premier League...
I think there is a game of brinksmanship being played out through the media - it started with Rooney's agents feeding the news that he 'wants to leave' and has been escalated by his silence. Rooney's silence on his 'private life' and now his deliberate manipulation of the contract negotiations don't reflect at all well on him. Manchester United supporters now need to ask themselves the same question you ask - 'do we want a character like this at our club?'. Personally, I'm not sure I do - I said that to you a couple of weeks ago.
However, Ferguson's words today indicate they do want him, they are 'leaving the door open' - unprecedented from Ferguson in a stand-off between player and boss. So the big question for me is 'just how bad a state is the squad in?'. In a sense, despite Rooney's awful behaviour, Ferguson seems to be allowing the club to be held to ransom. I know Rooney is a unique talent, I know he was on fire last year, I know he is the best player we have. Arguably he is the only truly world class player we have. And therein lies the problem. United's all around squad, like it or not, is weak.
Our two best midfielder's are in their twilight, as is our keeper. Our defence is under-performing - perhaps because of lack of competition in the full back positions? Ironically, our forwards (including Nani) are delivering. So you could be forgiven for asking do we need Rooney that badly. I think Ferguson's statement today is a deliberate move to reassert his own power whilst also signaling to Rooney that 'we need you' - a delicate balancing act for any manager. And, despite all of my better instincts on Rooney's character, as a club we may need him for reasons of perception - as an expression of our financial resolve.
Losing Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney two and a half years on from Moscow might actually be a signal to the footballing world that a demonstrable power-shift has taken hold in the EPL pecking order. And this time it could be viewed as a permanent power-shift. One that could be fatal to Ferguson's legacy. Of course all of this is tied up in the club finances. Personally I am not worried about the finances, in the medium term. Last year's bond issue takes the pressure off for the foreseeable future.
The real issue is our continued ability to challenge for the top two honors. Any sense that United might slump to forth place (or worse) would simply be unacceptable - particularly in financial terms. And, I think, that is where the Rooney issue really matters. If United start to be seen as second class citizens due the financial might of Chelsea and City the rot could set in pretty quickly.
So this saga is actually a battle of perceptions. Think of the chronology of events:
Jul 2003 - Chelsea are taken over by a Russian oligarch, an unprecedented spending spree ensues
Aug 2003 - United sign unknown teenager Ronaldo
Aug 2004 - United flex their continued financial strength and sign Wayne Rooney
May 2005 - United are taken over by the Glazers
May 2008 - United beat Chelsea in the Champions League Final in Moscow, balance to universe is restored
Sept 2008 - City taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group for Development
Sept 2008 - United sign Berbatov, flexing their financial strength despite City's best efforts
May 2009 - City sign Tevez from United, the first signs of financial weakness at United underscored by the subsequent sale of Ronaldo
May 2010 - United sign Chicarito, another masterstroke akin to the Aug 2003 signing of an unknown teenager?
Sept 2010 - Rooney plunges United into crisis.....
The key figure in all of this is Ferguson, his ability to manage how the club is perceived. At the heart of that perception is the view of Manchester United as the top club in England where youth, flair and flamboyance triumphs. The question is does Ferguson think Rooney still has more to give at the ripe old age of 24 or is Rooney to be condemned to history as 'another one of the footballing mercenaries'.
I honestly believe if he is to leave then he should be let go to City to undermine, devalue and demystify any tainted title they win. In the meantime United can rebuild around the youth and by replacing our evergreen midfielders. Yes it might be barren couple of years but the heart of the club is at stake here. Will this happen? Based on what I've heard from Ferguson in the press today, no I don't. I think Ferguson views securing Wayne Rooney's signature for another four years as a statement of intent with the current crop.
Sadly, this episode could be Ferguson's final major act at Manchester United. He tried to manage the Tevez situation via the media but should have learned that ultimately money talks with the modern day footballer - hardly surprising given the seemingly bottomless pit of cash available at City. My fear, is not around the finances, but that the changes in the game outside of Manchester United could actually spell a sad end for the great man. His legacy should be a squad of players young enough to have great futures and aware enough of the privilege it is to play for Manchester United. In the end his legacy may be that he leaves behind a squad of average young talent and a hodge podge of mercenaries - leaving United in the just the same place as the rest of the Premier League...
If a deal's been agreed for next summer (contracts signed) it can't be pushed through earlier.
Also after Ferguson going to the media saying that Rooney's disrespected us, what's stopping Rooney's camp from exposing the deal then? As a way to hit back at SAF and United?
Not sure if there is a deal in place or Fergie was just responding to Rooney's lack of form, going to the press about the injury and fecking hookers. Sounds like he's just had it with the bullshit. Rooney is acting like a child. Fergie told him to respect the club. He didn't. So, Fergie is showing him how to really play the PR game.
Rooney comes out looking like shit when he scurries off. And now Fergie doesn't have to put him on the pitch to watch him flounder around.
To be fair, he's kissing the back of the badge....that's bound to mean something cnutish.
I can't fecking believe this. I was absolutely certain Rooney was red through and through. I wonder how much of this the players knew. Macheda seemed to be quite free in his somewhat verbal assault on Wayne
Just seen Sir Alex's press conference. He handled it with class and dignity. He was clearly disappointed in Wayne but he remained respectful throughout. It makes me proud that this man represents our club and it contrasts with the complete lack of respect Rooney has shown for everyone associated with the club.
I trust Sir Alex to deal with this matter in the best interests of the club, whether Rooney stays or leaves
I trust Sir Alex to deal with this matter in the best interests of the club, whether Rooney stays or leaves