Evra typefies United of the past few years for me. Very talented without being a world beater, attack minded, insufferable and always seems to do well against us. Probably why I dislike him.
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He definitely was a world beater. He was consistently the leagues best if not one if the top two left backs.
Basically it's because he made fun of your team a couple of times being "boys facing men".
I criticised him in the week for being a bit cocky, and because he reads Redcafe religiously, he took my advice, stuck his head down(figuratively), and got two wonderful assists today. The second one was amazing - the weight of the pass and the vision to see it was even there. There's so much more to come as well. Incredible.
his first was also class. still gutted we missed out.
That was a shot.
I'm sorry, alastair, but that's a pretty run-of-the-mill assist (the one you've linked above) that you'd expect to see at the top level.
His first was more impressive in my view.
His first was more impressive in my view.
I'm just embarrassing.
The first one was great but it still required an immense header to stick it away.
Bollocks. You'd have to trawl through 5 years of Man Utd goals to find a better one.
So, in other words, you're deliberately trolling?
I love when Arsenal fans start to get bullish.
This has no relevance to the thread, but I just wanted to post it.
this has no relevance to your post but I just wanted to post it.
feck OFF
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It's all so good natured until it gets to March.
Like I said before, he is still improving and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Despite that he just oozes class and his passing and vision is cut above anyone in our side.
You must have some high standards if that is your definition of run of the mill. The weight and the angle of the pass is perfect.
You must have some high standards if that is your definition of run of the mill. The weight and the angle of the pass is perfect.
That's a run-of-the-mill assist for Özil, tbf.
Not the same player now, but he definitely typified us at his best. Best left back in the league often by a distance for 4 years straight at a time when United were pissing the league.
As for the assist up there, it's a nice pass but nothing special. He's pulled off better than that.
Cole has been the best LB in the league throughout Evra's peak. Both are two of the modern great LB's.
Cole wasn't as good as Evra was during his peak. He was a one-man left hand flank for us at a time. Cole probably better defensively, but Evra was amazing going forward. Cole definitely more consistent over a longer time period though.
Never mind the assist, what about the finish from the Sleeve Butcher.
Evra was considerably better than Cole during that period of 2006-2010; that was Evra's peak, where as there was a lot of mixed form from Cole, particularly in the opening stages of his Chelsea career when he underwhelmed. Your Clichy was the only player in the league that had a season to rival one of Evra's then - the man was a colossus.
Cole was then better during 10/11 and 11/12, and the pair along with Baines have been of a similar standard since then - something you could say goes to show that neither player are currently that near the form they used to be at. Baines is good but Evra absolutely shat on him at his best.
Can a loss be a win?
Of course it can.
What does the tweet say, Al? I can't read it at work.
Sometimes a lost game can be like a victory. Tough game.
He capitalised 'victory'. Stylish.
In Mesut's world United must be running away with the league at the moment.
I forgot about Ozil. Inevitable Arsenal will get Madrid now.
Oh well at least he's won enough silverware to last him a lifetime.
Funny this. I'd argue if you look at the whole picture, you can see why people like when Flamini plays. People quote stats when it comes to Arteta v Flamini. But there are things Flamini does that you cant put down to stats. You shouldn underrate rate that. Both Flamini and Arteta will be key for you this season.
A lot of arsenal fans on twitter favor Arteta over Flamini but Flamini is the much better organiser. I may go into detail another time but I think it's surprising that Arsenal fans think Arteta is superior to Flamini. I just dont see that at all and Arsenal has been the team I've watched the most this season outside of United.
I wish we went for flamini. His tactical intelligence is very very underrated.
I've preferred Flamini's performances to Arteta's this year.
Arteta is good when it comes to the midtable Premier league midfield battles. The moment you put someone with pace and invention playing between the lines, he's out of his depth. Especially as he isn't getting younger or faster.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Flamini, I'm glad we bought him and he has a big role to play for us. My point is people see him as more mobile, shouting out orders and a more gritty player and just assume he is the reason behind our revival. That is complete nonsense imo, end of last season we were defensively as good and Arteta was sitting infront of the back four. The reason we look better defensively is because off the ball we are much more compact and better shape. Last season when Arteta got injured or needed a rest we didn't have anyone so Flamini is a fantastic option to have.
As for comparing the players, Arteta is a far better passer of the ball and his reading of the game is better. His performances against Liverpool and Dortmund were top drawer.
Disagree with that. If so, how?
Flamini isn't the reason to your revival but he embodies the solidarity Wenger's been talking about. Although Arteta has been good for you. It's something he doesnt offer as much as Flamini does. This is why i said BOTH will be crucial for you this season.
Actually that's true, I didn't consider his performances against Dortmund and the Pool. However, he's not able to do that on a consistent basis anymore, at least not as well as he did in the last 5 months of last season.
I agree that his reading of the game is much better, but a lot of that is down to him knowing he doesn't have the legs to make up in case of an error.
His initial positioning is usually better, he is able to better anticipate what the opposition will do with the ball. I think he covers spaces left by others better as well. As with more mobile and quicker players they usually are able to get themselves out of trouble whereas Arteta has slowed down in that respect. He is kind of like Busquets (obviously not as good) or like Carrick is for your lot. Flamini is the type of guy who might cover 12km in a match and so it appears he is literally everywhere but Arteta is someone who knows where he can and can't go and hangs around in those areas.
I'm not saying Flamini isn't good but in our first XI Arteta would start and I'd say rightly so. Arteta has off the pitch had a big influence as well, a really big character in the dressing room and well respected.
That is the case with many players, when they are slower physically they make up the yards in their head. Per Mertesacker is another like that and in the past we have had players who don't read the game well enough imo.