Mesut Özil
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There are those who are "Magicians", with the ball, Ozil is most certainly a magician when he doesn't have it...
No defence could contend with Wenger taking Flamini off today. No team. I'd like to know of a defence that could deal with 7 top players running at them with no protection.
Ozil did fine. Thought he played well. Lovely assist to Walcott for the goal, very silky. Nothing he could do today.
Ozil did fine. Thought he played well. Lovely assist to Walcott for the goal, very silky. Nothing he could do today.
I'm sure people have talked about Arsenal's defence being pathetic today too. In fact I read a fair bit of criticism for Vermaelen earlier on. It just isn't really that surprising because a) City have made that a bit of a habit recently and b) it's not a great defence. Ozil going missing in almost every big game is a talking point, not sure why you're getting defensive about it. And it's particularly amusing for some because after his first couple of games he was crowned the best player in the league by many.
I'm not getting that magician joke...
His off the ball movement is a thing to behold.
He disappeared.
That what a bit suicidal and a manager should only make that kind of substitution when the other team also made one that shows they will abdicate from attack.
You ruined the magic Barney.
Jesus Christ. I didn't have you down as a knee jerker.
Ozil had flu up at United, so I'm writing that off as a game.
He was one of our best players against Liverpool, and among a bad bunch, was good again today. It's the whole package with him - the passing and the off the ball movement.
Don't forget, he's still in his first season in a foreign country, and he needs to get to grips with the pace of the league - something he's showing signs of doing. He seems humble and willing to work hard, and I'm sure he'll be fine.
Eh? I just think he's magic.
Haters be hating Archie, never listen.
Haters be hating Archie, never listen.
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I think the last bit is actually the crux of the issue. He slid in, got assists and so everyone thought he'd arrived. He's still acclimatising and his stats have been deceiving. He's turned it on a number of times but he hasn't put in a full 90 minutes yet which is why I find this "oh he doesnt do it in big games" beside the point. He hasn't done it in many games full stop to the best of his ability but he can rip some teams apart with the flick of his heel so he's perhaps been getting away with it.
Most of us regular La Liga watchers pointed this out while he was at Real.
Class player but his performances against Bayern in the CL semis a couple of seasons back summed up his (few but important) deficiencies at the top level, in comparison with the busier Kroos who made a point of dropping deeper and helping Bayern retain and regain possession when they were under pressure.
Class player but his performances against Bayern in the CL semis a couple of seasons back summed up his (few but important) deficiencies at the top level, in comparison with the busier Kroos who made a point of dropping deeper and helping Bayern retain and regain possession when they were under pressure.
Wasn't that humble when he fecked off and didn't want to come and applaud your away support, having to be manhandled and shouted at by Mertesacker.
I always find it bizarre when people slate him. Is it just a coincidence that last season we were 9th by now and really struggled to break down basically any team and this season, we've scored lots of goals almost everywhere we've played?
Don't worry Nev, I know you're a beautiful soul.
He wrote on his Facebook that he was upset and he apologised wholeheartedly, saying it was a mistake and he wouldn't do it again.
That's humble. Accepting your mistakes.
He needs to do something with his anger. I think it was you who said he sometimes goes in a strop because the other players aren't on his level, but rather than losing his cool he needs to raise his own game. If he's better than the others, then show us.
Knee jerk? Really? Ozil's been the poster boy for the new Germany since 2010. Elegant, creative and entertaining but ultimately lacking the cojones against the top teams and in games where it really counts. What he's done so far at Arsenal is just a continuation of the trend; if that changes it'll be because he's dealt with a long-standing flaw in his game.
He's a good player Alastair, anyone who has seen him play knows that. But anyone who has seen him play also knows than when the chips are down he disappears. It hasn't just started happening since he's come to Arsenal, it was a big complaint levelled against him at Madrid too. He's a fair weather player, not to be seen when the muck and bullets are flying.
That's why he suits Arsenal. lolzy
What a miserable buffoon you're. Even in a Mesut Ozil thread you still find ways to have a dig at the club.
I don't really know what to say - there's a lot of early judging of his time here. Just because he struggled in big games in Madrid doesn't mean he will here.
There's a bit of an agenda, probably borne out of an irritation he signed for us.
There's a bit of an agenda, probably borne out of an irritation he signed for us.
Which is very annoying and leads to him being a certain starter at the worldcup even though Götze and Kroos showed that they could be more important for the team
.An agenda yes, but not because he has signed for you. Pretty much is the same for every top player who signs for a top club. Also, it is true that he is struggling on big games and he had the same problem at Madrid, so as long as this will continue people will continue talking.
No agenda here at all. Have you only heard of him this summer? There was a spell at Madrid where he was taken off before the end of almost every single game because of how badly he faded in games. And in big games he just didn't show up. It's not something new and it's not something simply being levelled at him because he signed for Arsenal. It's a long standing issue.
As I've said already, he's a class player. An assist machine, and he'll do superbly for you. But don't expect him to stand up and be counted when the going gets tough, because he won't. Unless he changes habits he's possessed throughout his career to date.
He's absolutely class but for 42m, I'd expect him to dominate the big matches aswell rather than dominating the likes of Norwich and Stoke. The trouble with him is that when he's not on game, he also leaves his fullback pretty open which makes it easier for another team's winger.
I think he's struggled in the odd game, and not in others.
His worst game was against West Brom away. He couldn't get anything right. Not a big game at all.
He's only played two big games, supposedly. He was ill for one, and I actually think he was pretty decent today. I just think you're jumping to conclusions.
Also, it's fecking hilarious seeing an Arsenal fan whine on here about an agenda, particularly one who spends so much time and effort in the RVP thread.
Or else he's watched him play before this summer, Alastair. Seriously, had you never heard of him before he signed for your lot? Had you never heard the questions about how he dealt with big games before? It isn't new.
Right.
Obviously he didn't fade in the Everton game where he scored in the 80th minute. Or in the Norwich game when he scored in the 88th minute. He hadn't been subbed off by then, clearly.
He's played very few big games so far. Very few. And he's been good in the vast majority of those games.
KM has a point that for £42m you expect domination in virtually every game. This is his first year at Arsenal - judge properly in his second. I think he's been worth about £30m so far, and I'm sure he'll add the extra cash value.
I didn't know about the flu, but I think that in both games versus Manchester clubs he didn't do much. I don't think that he was decent today, but on the other side the entire Arsenal team didn't play that well (or City played great).
I think it was same about Silva on his first season, people were joking with him when it was clear that it was too early to make judgement. In Ozil's case it doesn't help also that he was a bit meh in almost all big games for Madrid. We'll see how it goes, in the end of the day the league usually it is won against smaller teams so even if he doesn't contribute a lot against big teams, it doesn't mean that it is a bad signing (or bad player) if he contributes a lot against smaller teams.
I'm allowed to post about what I want. I have no agenda here - I'm sure your posts about Ozil would be different if Moyes hadn't preferred Fellaini over him.
I don't think anyone has an agenda Alistair to be honest. I watched the game and his first touch was in the 30th minute of the game. Fair play that he provided an assist but he did nothing of real note either before or even after that assist. He has a brilliant assist record but this isn't La Liga where only 2 teams try to compete for the title. In the premier league there are ourselves, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and even Tottenham Hotspur. He has only two assists against two decent PL teams; Liverpool and Manchester City. He really needs to step it up for you guys to justufy the price tag.
Fair enough, and I generally agree.
It strikes me as if Wenger is playing him every game for ninety minutes in order to build up his capability to produce throughout a match. This is something that never happened at Madrid, and it seems that Wenger has identified that weakness within his game. We'll see the effects next season probably.
He was the one Arsenal player that was passing the ball very often, however he only had a 80% success rate in that match, two key passes and he played better than Ramsey.
@Alistair
That is possibly true looking at his match history.
Righto Alastair. All the people who watched him struggle at Madrid with being able to finish games well, and saw him struggle to stamp authority on the biggest matches know nothing because he's had a few good games at Arsenal. Maybe he's improved his fitness levels, so maybe Wenger has spotted that flaw, but it's a flaw that existed and is well documented. As is the flaw of him not standing up when the going gets tough, one that might be harder for Wenger to sort.
There's no agenda here, people know how good a player he is. He's a genuine class act with great ability, he just struggles with staying in games and with imposing himself. Sort it out and he'll win you trophies. Don't and he'll be a nearly man in a nearly team.
I can see why he didn't get it though. It's usually the magicians assistant that does the disappearing. It's a decent attempt at a gag but doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
They wouldn't be. I didn't want him at any stage during the summer for precisely the reasons I'm stating here now. Though I'd have taken him before Fellaini as it's well documented on here how I feel about him.