Don't be a dick. You know exactly what point I was making and it was a valid one. Madrid's number 9 (or is he CR7 these days?) cost almost as much as our whole fecking team against Rangers.
You gonna correct grammar next?
Mourinho - the honeymoon's over!
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Don't be a dick. You know exactly what point I was making and it was a valid one. Madrid's number 9 (or is he CR7 these days?) cost almost as much as our whole fecking team against Rangers.
You gonna correct grammar next?
Yeah but it's well known the Madrid fans are spastics. If Mourinho leads them to their 10th CL or improves upon their dismal performances in the competition in recent years then they'll be happy.
I actually thought Madrid were pretty decent against Sociedad in La Liga, and Ozil oozed class in that game. There's been quite a few new signings and it will take time for them to bed in, Chelsea in 04/05 didn't really kick on until late September/early October.
I'll reserve judgement until a few more months into the season at least.
What, like you did in the PES thread? If you like, but I'm not that petty.
Another pointless tangent, well done.
You're the master of them.
That is a lame point though - there's no point in using the one game which involved our infamous 'ten changes' as a benchmark for weak early season performances. Particularly when the comparison is with a near full strength yet still under performing Real side.
They'd be stupid not to give him time. He's not going to be able to get every player playing to instruction within a whole new system/game-plan overnight... And so what if they forfeit this season's title when they could very well dominate the league over the next few years.
I'm not using it as a benchmark for anything, merely highlighting that we played a terrible game in what was an easier fixture. It happens. You cite 'ten changes' as the reason when the Madrid side are going through a lot of changes themselves. Ramos has moved to the middle of defence, the likes of Khedira and Ozil have come in, di Maria has come in, Carvalho has come in. So there's a lot of changes going on at Madrid and I just think it's both laughable and stupid to start judging Mourinho's tenure after 7 games this season. Wait until he'd had a season, at least?
And regardless of their performance yesterday, they won. How often have we gone away in the CL in the last few years, played a dire game but managed to sneak a win? Nobody cares if you're team is winning.
we should just sign that poppet Jose from special 1 tv, he is so much cooler than orginal Jose.
The thing is that if the football carries on being as boring as it has been so far then he won't be given a second season. I think we can all agree on that surely. Winning the league with boring football does not keep you your job at Madrid.
The football hasn't been as tumescent as everybody is making out. I've seen them a few times this season. Against Espanyol they were good and won comfortably, away from home in a tough game against Sociedad they won which was actually a very entertaining game, especially the second half. Against Auxerre yesterday they seemed to play how I would've expected them to play (Granted I only saw the highlights).
It's well known the fans of Madrid are impatient, as are their Presidents and Directors, Capello lost his job after winning La Liga. The football will improve though, Mourinho is changing a lot of things, changing the football and is instilling more discipline into the side, it takes time, and you can't expect free-flowing football away from home in Europe. How often have Madrid tried that over the last few years and where has it got them?
The dynamics of European football have changed and you can't just be going gung-ho away in Europe. Yesterday was an encouraging performance from Madrid, in terms of the CL ambitions.
Papers say that Madrid spent over 100 million to replace their former staff with Jose and his staff. I would guess replacing Jose would cost even more. Even for madrid that's is a lot of money to burn after 3 weeks. They aren't going to sack him dude....
Shut up Valentino
I agree with this post, it is not me you need to covince that you can't go gung ho in europe away and that a new manager needs time. It's el presidente and the Madrid faithfull that need a complete mind change and that is never going to happen. Trying to make out that they are playing the type of football that will be popular with the fans there is a bit daft as we can all see that is not the case. Hope he is given the time he needs.
Sure is, or has been, but it wont be with the Spanish media and Real Madrid.
I mean, you can twat around all you like at Chelsea, and get away with turning the team into a bunch of boring cnuts, so long as you're getting results (well, I say that, but Roman still got tired of it pretty quickly), because Chelsea FC is a nothing name.
It's a bit different with Real, because you're not going to convince anyone, Real supporter or not, that you're bigger than or as big as the club, or that how you behave and what you do there doesn't matter, even if you're Jose Mourinho. It didn't really work at Inter...the Italian media/fans hated him. With Real that's magnified...Mourinho + Real, just seems like a clash of egos and philosophy to me. One which is bound to end in tears
It was nothing of the sort. Admittedly I only watched the second half but they conceded chance after chance and only the width of the post stopped them going a goal down before Di Maria finally scored (a goal which should never have been allowed because Ramos handled the ball in the build-up) It was also an incredibly mundane display of football from Madrid, bearing in mind the talent at Mourinho's disposal. Dull dull dull. I guess you can expect that from a team under his management but the defensive frailties were a bit of a shock tbh.
It might have been an encouraging result but it certainly wasn't an encouraging performance.
We all know that Mourinho's teams need time to adapt to his way of play before any real change is seen.
Remember how different Inter looked in his first few games, they were awful.. With the players he has at his disposal, he will make them work, it's a matter of time. However as we know, time is not on the side of any Real Madrid coach.
Remember how different Inter looked in his first few games, they were awful.. With the players he has at his disposal, he will make them work, it's a matter of time. However as we know, time is not on the side of any Real Madrid coach.
Yeah, there's no doubt he'll turn them into a better side than we've seen so far this season but the Madrid fans will expect results and beautiful football from their team, which might be a bridge too far for him.
speaking of Real Madrid. the Owner, Perez? owns a 30% share in the company that owns my firm. and I'm hearing that he's trying to take it over completely.
so, there's a strong possibilty that Perez ends up owning our firm.
so, there's a strong possibilty that Perez ends up owning our firm.
speaking of Real Madrid. the Owner, Perez? owns a 30% share in the company that owns my firm. and I'm hearing that he's trying to take it over completely.
so, there's a strong possibilty that Perez ends up owning our firm.
Now you better start job hunting bud, as you are soon to be replaced by another, more expensive "galactico", doing the same job you do. (and he will get paid more! )He really knows how to suck the life out of football does Mourinho. It's just unfortunate that he will keep doing because it wins him medals.
it's a bridge too far after a handful of games.
Mourinho gets the best from his lot. At inter he devised a system to get the best from the group. The same at chelsea and he failed because SAF was getting the best from a better group (when mourinho had deco, ballack and all the guff he didnt want).
He needs a season to turn madrid into Moudrid (see what i did there, kill me now). I didnt quite expect them to win la liga or the CL this season but next season if he's given the chance will be the most interesting one but then it is so early, they could get it right and make a huge difference...
Still what people seem to be overlooking in the whole Mourinho/Madrid thing is that they have Barcelona to deal with and without serious injury to Messi i can't see this Madrid getting the better of them this season.
I know, it makes me wonder why so many people want him at OT, I can't imagine United being so dire
maybe my replacement will do less for more.He's tempting because he's certain to keep us in contention (and probably winning) the top trophies. There are so many negatives about him coming to old trafford though. I don't think united fans would take to him like other clubs and we certainly wouldn't kiss his boots and make him feel like 'the special one' because he will never be as good as SAF.
There's a number of utd supporters that only care about winning, nothing else even comes into the equation. For them you can understand why Mourinho is the logical choice. Personally I care more about the continuation of the philosophy that's got the club where it is today; entertaining football and a strong youth system. On both those aspects of management he's a poor candidate to replace SAF.
It isn't as cut and dry as that though is it, there is proof that Mourinho side can play football, remember Chelsea in his first season, they could play.
At the end of the day his current boss wants the tenth Champions league more than anything, so his philsophy is win at all costs, if he wins it this year then next yeear we are more likely to see a Madrid play the way the fans want them too, I.E. there usual swashbuckling style.
The question of wanting or not wanting Mourinho at Old Trafford is a wierd one. Who wouldn't want him? Who is better than him? SAF is a legend and will go down as the greatest club manager in the history of the game in my honest opinion so nobody can fill his shoes but if anyone can have a good crack at it it can only be Mourinho or somebody else at the VERY top of the managerial ladder and i can't see anyone rivaling Mourinho now or in the near future.
they bored me half to death if I'm being honest
Too be honest, if I wsn't a United supporter at times I'd also be bored by our side, it's not like we always play spectacular footie. The last season when we consistently played attractive football was 2007/08, some people would even argue 2006/07.
We scored more goals last season than we did in either of those you mention.
Unless you mean "attractive" because Ronaldo was still at the club and he's really really really good looking? (although the presence of Tevez may have balanced things out a bit)
Nah most of the time we play brilliant football in my opinion, our main aim usually is to attack and not stop teams playing first
What Sir Bobby Charlton said comes to mind:
I think Lailiani is right. You lot aren't that special, anyone prefers attacking football, but as long as there's quality and trophies you'll be charmed. There certainly aren't many Porto, Chelsea or Inter fans that wouldn't take him back. And this doesn't just mean you're more demanding than them. But rather that you've so far lived a managerial stability and success that no other team in the world can brag about and you have a different standard while Sir Alex is on the helm. You lot don't need to want Jose because you have SAF, but when he's gone and your bench loses that aura you'll see this differently.
Everyone (rival) in Portugal says our 2004 Porto was boring. To me it's just a way of minimizing our success, because I can't think of a single Porto fan that wasn't tremendously excited every single game at our strength and success.
Same will be said of any other team that he manages, except maybe the nutters at Real. But even these might regret not giving them enough time if they go on a reasonable stint without titles, and with current Barcelona that might just happen. Last year they got as close as they will get.
Everyone (rival) in Portugal says our 2004 Porto was boring. To me it's just a way of minimizing our success, because I can't think of a single Porto fan that wasn't tremendously excited every single game at our strength and success.
Same will be said of any other team that he manages, except maybe the nutters at Real. But even these might regret not giving them enough time if they go on a reasonable stint without titles, and with current Barcelona that might just happen. Last year they got as close as they will get.
Esmufc loves Mourinho so much he watches every Madrid game now, bless, he has never defended anyone including people from United as much. Madrid are playing good football in some games according to him, in complete contrast to what the Spanish media and Real fans are saying. Why do you love him so esmufc? Why don't you support Madrid until he comes here?
Jesus Christ United87, that's a bit of an uncalled for attack.
Sexist prat. As you may or may not have noticed Ronaldo was still our player in 2008/09 and yet I excluded that season. Playing spectacular football is not about scoring many goals only and in terms of beauty our game suffered after 2007/08, maybe already after 2006/07.
Now I'm not saying that we need to play attractive football, anything that wins us games is ok and if this means we have to play several boring games then so be it. All I'm saying is that our football isn't that spectacular and attractive nowadays, we often have periods when we are actually a bit boring. If Mourinho takes over at United today, our style won't change extremely like going down from being highly attractive to highly boring.
06/07 was definitely better than 07/08. Both top draw seasons.
It wouldn't always reflect in goals but the fluidity and sheer number of chances created were a cut above.
Needless to say, your honesty would be mocked at.