Nani

acnumber9 said:
The same then could be said for Gary Neville.
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Anyone who would say that would be desperately trying to prove a point to back up his own biased opinion to the extent he wasn't thinking logically.

But yes, it could.
 
Brwned said:
Anyone who would say that would be desperately trying to prove a point to back up his own biased opinion to the extent he wasn't thinking logically.

But yes, it could.
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Is it only the penultimate touch that counts just as much then? Of course somebody making something up entirely isn't a way of backing up a biased opinion as somebody has done previously.
 
some people like moaning...they think we can buy anyone else and they'll have as much potential or can do the job better all the time all the time all the time...

He's 23, still learning his trade...people need to chill a bit with the pointing inconsistancy out every 5 minutes

He's potentially good enough, he wants to prove himself here, he's been paitent and never been outspoken about not featuring....

His cross led to berbatovs header and that led to valencias goal...but some people just like to moan. They perhaps take more enjoyment out of that then the actual win
 
Striker10 said:
some people like moaning...they think we can buy anyone else and they'll have as much potential or can do the job better all the time all the time all the time...

He's 23, still learning his trade...people need to chill a bit with the pointing inconsistancy out every 5 minutes

He's potentially good enough, he wants to prove himself here, he's been paitent and never been outspoken about not featuring....

His cross led to berbatovs header and that led to valencias goal...but some people just like to moan. They perhaps take more enjoyment out of that then the actual win
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Some people like to discuss players form/performances. What else is the point of a forum. Should all just post pleases with the win type posts?
 
Some of you guys need to take a long hard look at yourselves.

Anyway it was a very encouraging performance he put in. Some things I like to see in wingers are unpredictability, flair, confidence and bravery. He showed those attributes and more yesterday. Was our most constant threat, never stopped trying even if things didnt come off and worked hard for the team effort. It was a nice surprise to see him almost score a header! I think he should definitely get in the box more often because he can finish chances for us. You cant help but support players when you see them putting in that much effort. He is showing the will and desire to succeed this season and I hope he achieves the consistent cutting edge we expect from him.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Why.

What did he do this time.
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Recap the tamely losing of possession in the build up to Liverpool's second. To come think of it, Valencia's winning of the ball prior to that and the subsequent off load to Nani in a good position, with some space to operate and some gaps in the Liverpool's line. So what does he do? Takes his eyes off the ball and switches off mentally. Miscontrols a simple pass, fails to retrieve it and feigns injury while Liverpool run up field to score.

anything about now said:
Everyone fecks up but when Nani fecks up it's always a highlight
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It is the alarming regularity with which he fecks up that attracts the highlights. Even when his playtime is limited, it just seems that he possesses that uncanny ability to conjure up a memorable feck up. Of course these are weighed against his other positive contributions which just add to the misery as they are few and far in between.
There is a reason why he was on the bench for the best part of the game while two 34 plus years olds played in midfield (not a slight in any shape or form on Giggs and Scholes) and a relatively new player, one who it can be argued that is still being eased into the side, played on the right.
 
Its embarrassing this thread. He was on for 20 minutes at most yesterday and people are still slating him. Unbelievable.
 
Trippin_Stoned said:
Its embarrassing this thread. He was on for 20 minutes at most yesterday and people are still slating him. Unbelievable.
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And i thought once he came on we looked more dangerous, i think he doubled our shots on target the time he was on the pitch
 
He didn't do anything special, but he wasn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Its just some fans have it in for him, big time.
 
Nani has done nothing in his time at united to merit the sort of unflinching trust some of you guys have in him. for ages now I've heard people saying give him time and he is an amazing talent.

I feel like a kid who wants to shout 'but the emperor has no clothes on'. I have seen nothing from this kid that warrants a place in the team ahead of giggs or valencia or I'd even argue a fit ji sung park and after nearly 3 years at he club thats not a great return. Luis Nani is a portugese international player who does not seem to understand what being a united player means. this has nothing to do with his 20 mins yesterday and anyone hammering him for that is doing him an injustice.

and anyone saying he deserves a longer run in the team please analyse that statement again. if Nani was performing to standard in training and in the team would SAF play him more regularly. Of course he would. Its not some outside influence that is stopping nani nailing down a regular place. its his own contributions when he does play. they are not up to scratch and dont appear to be getting close to scratch

Its got to do with his contribution over seasons. He is not living up to his billing and my belief is that he does not have what it takes to be a united player. reminds me of Danny Wallace to be honest. terribly frustrating. and I cant believe that on a forum like this with so many knowledgeable posters that people are gettin hammered for no other reason than they are saying they dont think he's good enough. newsflash. not every player in a united shirt is the best footballer in the world. and some if not a lot of them dont make it. and almost 3 seasons at united having arrived as a first team player from another professional league is enough time to judge

and its ok now that we've seen nani over a few seasons to raise doubts about his long term future. it really is
 
Legend16 said:
Nani has done nothing in his time at united to merit the sort of unflinching trust some of you guys have in him. for ages now I've heard people saying give him time and he is an amazing talent.

I feel like a kid who wants to shout 'but the emperor has no clothes on'. I have seen nothing from this kid that warrants a place in the team ahead of giggs or valencia or I'd even argue a fit ji sung park and after nearly 3 years at he club thats not a great return. Luis Nani is a portugese international player who does not seem to understand what being a united player means. this has nothing to do with his 20 mins yesterday and anyone hammering him for that is doing him an injustice.

and anyone saying he deserves a longer run in the team please analyse that statement again. if Nani was performing to standard in training and in the team would SAF play him more regularly. Of course he would. Its not some outside influence that is stopping nani nailing down a regular place. its his own contributions when he does play. they are not up to scratch and dont appear to be getting close to scratch

Its got to do with his contribution over seasons. He is not living up to his billing and my belief is that he does not have what it takes to be a united player. reminds me of Danny Wallace to be honest. terribly frustrating. and I cant believe that on a forum like this with so many knowledgeable posters that people are gettin hammered for no other reason than they are saying they dont think he's good enough. newsflash. not every player in a united shirt is the best footballer in the world. and some if not a lot of them dont make it. and almost 3 seasons at united having arrived as a first team player from another professional league is enough time to judge

and its ok now that we've seen nani over a few seasons to raise doubts about his long term future. it really is
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The acid test is, would we get back what we payed for him?
 
Partizan said:
The acid test is, would we get back what we payed for him?
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I would be surprised if another club would pay more than 7 to 8 million for nani and to be honest that seems like a proper valuation. we bought him on his potential. that selling point is fading with every appearance
 
He should have come on and scored a hat-trick, a left footer, a right footer and a self set up header, also nutmegging Reina with each goal.

He failed to deliver, sell him now for 50p and a bag of skips before he loses that last bit of his value.
 
You can't buy a Lada for the price of a BMW, hoping and praying that it becomes a BMW in due time only for it to remain a Lada and sell it on for the price of a BMW.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Bunch of tossers some of you. Even when Nani plays less than 20minutes he still gets shit thrown at him. It's fecking pathetic.
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I assume you are reading the posts and see that most on here are not hammering him for yesterdays 20 mins but are trying to judge him over his career so far
 
Legend16 said:
Nani has done nothing in his time at united to merit the sort of unflinching trust some of you guys have in him. for ages now I've heard people saying give him time and he is an amazing talent.

I feel like a kid who wants to shout 'but the emperor has no clothes on'. I have seen nothing from this kid that warrants a place in the team ahead of giggs or valencia or I'd even argue a fit ji sung park and after nearly 3 years at he club thats not a great return. Luis Nani is a portugese international player who does not seem to understand what being a united player means. this has nothing to do with his 20 mins yesterday and anyone hammering him for that is doing him an injustice.

and anyone saying he deserves a longer run in the team please analyse that statement again. if Nani was performing to standard in training and in the team would SAF play him more regularly. Of course he would. Its not some outside influence that is stopping nani nailing down a regular place. its his own contributions when he does play. they are not up to scratch and dont appear to be getting close to scratch

Its got to do with his contribution over seasons. He is not living up to his billing and my belief is that he does not have what it takes to be a united player. reminds me of Danny Wallace to be honest. terribly frustrating. and I cant believe that on a forum like this with so many knowledgeable posters that people are gettin hammered for no other reason than they are saying they dont think he's good enough. newsflash. not every player in a united shirt is the best footballer in the world. and some if not a lot of them dont make it. and almost 3 seasons at united having arrived as a first team player from another professional league is enough time to judge

and its ok now that we've seen nani over a few seasons to raise doubts about his long term future. it really is
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He's done nothing? He scored a pen in the champions league final in his first year. If he misses, we lose. THAT earnt my trust. How the feck are you going to earn anyones trust?...

Some people are reactionary. Even if there is an improvement, they jump on him the first chance they get. Some people are reacting about nani after a shit performance by everyone else.....what does that tell you?..

Players take different time periods to mature. Players do not develop at the same rate. If it was an attitude thing, Sir Alex would throw him out the door

The fact he's still here, THAT also gives me trust in him. Not to mention the fact, currently he is our best winger irrespective. If he lives up to his potential, he'll be a great player for United for many years
 
this is the first time i now believe nani should be replaced. We need proven quality from out wide and we need it now. He just doesnt do enough, he isnt on the same wave as everyone else and doesnt have the mindset, spirit or desire of a united player. He may become better but id happily see him replaced with someone who we can trust to deliver in the majority of games.
 
Legend16 said:
I assume you are reading the posts and see that most on here are not hammering him for yesterdays 20 mins but are trying to judge him over his career so far
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Not buying that, he's been a target ever since he joined for the club. 'people' tend to gloss over his good points during a game and instead turn him into a scapegoat.

Same thing happened with Fletcher.

He's a confidence player who needs games, hearing the crowd groan when he gets something wrong is hardly going to help his progress. Espically considering the lack of first team football he had last year, he's still finding his feet this year like alot of our players.
 
Striker10 said:
He's done nothing? He scored a pen in the champions league final in his first year. if he misses, we lose. THAT earnt my trust. How the feck are you going to earn anyones trust?...
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so did other united players. it does not guarantee any of them immunity from criticism for the length of their united careers. John Terry missed a penalty in the same shootout. He is consistently performing for chelsea. whats your point?
 
Legend16 said:
so did other united players. it does not guarantee any of them immunity from criticism for the length of their united careers. John Terry missed a penalty in the same shootout. He is consistently performing for chelsea. whats your point?
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yes so did other players but were the other players aside from nani inexperienced and in their first year at the club?..(anderson aside)

You said nani's done nothing. To stand up and take a pen takes bottle. It's a good quality to have....
 
RedSky At Night said:
Not buying that, he's been a target ever since he joined for the club. 'people' tend to gloss over his good points during a game and instead turn him into a scapegoat.

Same thing happened with Fletcher.

He's a confidence player who needs games, hearing the crowd groan when he gets something wrong is hardly going to help his progress. Espically considering the lack of first team football he had last year, he's still finding his feet this year like alot of our players.
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and I'm not buying that he is beyond criticism. a lot of people were excited when nani signed. I was. but we have not seen the player we thought we were getting.

some people want to blame his lack of opportunities and the fact that the crowd are not supporting him.

that is doing him, SAF and the crowd a serious disservice. cos as with any player if they are good enough and performing to a high level then SAF will put them in the first 11, and the crowd will cheer him to the rafters. He isn't and he hasn't. And it looks like he wont. and all the fanboy cheering in the world will not help luis nani make the right decisions with the ball at his feet. he either has it or he doesn't. right now the latter is the strongest possibility.

The simple fact is that 3 seasons since he joined the club he is not doing it. Bearing in mind he came from another league where he had been playing and not straight from the pram as some would have you believe, then his contribution so far is massively disappointing and not improving in the slightest
 
Striker10 said:
yes so did other players but were the other players aside from nani inexperienced and in their first year at the club?..(anderson aside)

You said nani's done nothing. To stand up and take a pen takes bottle. It's a good quality to have....
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no one is disputing it takes bottle and kudos to the kid. but to suggest that penalty puts him above criticism or critique 2 seasons later is silly. seriously are you really going to dismiss Nanis poor performances with the retort 'hey he took a penalty for us 2 years ago'
 
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