Nope. That's how it works on here for us "oppo" fans. We can't post anything without "yeah but what about xxx". The tribalism and petty one-upmanship can stiffle debate.
Also, Spurs are fecking shit.
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Also, Spurs are fecking shit.
Neymar should try dribbles closer to or withinh the box where he could hurt the opposition. Those dribbles in the middle of the park are easy to deal with.
That makes absolutely no sense though. That's like me saying 'but Pogba' at the end of every sentence.
Unfortunately, I don't see him having a good World Cup. He hasn't the stamina and tonus required in the short run.
More seriously, I think terms like 'overrated' and 'overhyped' are excessively used here. His CV and his stats speak for themselves after all.
Just an example:
Top Scorers with Brazil
# Name Goals Caps Average
1 Pelé (list) 77 92 0.84
2 Ronaldo (list) 62 98 0.64
3 Romário (list) 55 70 0.79
Neymar (list) 55 86 0.63
5 Zico (list) 48 71 0.67
6 Bebeto (list) 39 75 0.52
7 Rivaldo (list) 35 74 0.46
8 Jairzinho (list) 33 81 0.40
Ronaldinho (list) 33 97 0.34 26
10 Ademir 32 39 0.82
Tostão (list) 32 54 0.59
Especially when he tries to dribble in a static way.
More seriously, I think terms like 'overrated' and 'overhyped' are excessively used here. His CV and his stats speak for themselves after all.
Just an example:
Top Scorers with Brazil
# Name Goals Caps Average
1 Pelé (list) 77 92 0.84
2 Ronaldo (list) 62 98 0.64
3 Romário (list) 55 70 0.79
Neymar (list) 55 86 0.63
5 Zico (list) 48 71 0.67
6 Bebeto (list) 39 75 0.52
7 Rivaldo (list) 35 74 0.46
8 Jairzinho (list) 33 81 0.40
Ronaldinho (list) 33 97 0.34 26
10 Ademir 32 39 0.82
Tostão (list) 32 54 0.59
Especially when he tries to dribble in a static way.
Thought he may have put the self-indulgence to the side for the sake of his country, but nope - it was there on full show again. He was terrible. Slowed the game down every time he got the ball just so he could say "look at me everyone" and encourage the tackle. The amount of times he just held the ball for the sake of it was ridiculous. He would often run into a cul de sac and lose possession when there was an obvious pass on, then fall to the floor in the hope of gaining a free kick.
He may be a talented footballer, but he's certainly not a likeable one.
He may be a talented footballer, but he's certainly not a likeable one.
I genuinely don't get it with this guy. He's obviously talented but I've never seen anything that remotely justifies the hype. Caf fans like to bang on about the likes of Mata slowing down our attack; well I have never seen anyone slow things down the way Neymar does with that idiotic freeze-framing. I'd take Eden Hazard over him any day of the week. In my opinion, he's not a patch on the likes of Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Romario or even Kaka.
Top Scorers with Brazil
# Name Goals Caps Average
1 Pelé (list) 77 goals in 92 games (0.84) LEGEND
2 Ronaldo (list) 62 goals in 98 games (0.64 LEGEND
3 Romário (list) 55 goals in 70 games (0.79) LEGEND
Neymar (list) 55 goals 86 games (0.63) REDCAFE EXPERTISE: Youtube player overhyped overrated****
5 Zico (list) 48 goals in 71 games (0.67) LEGEND
6 Bebeto (list) 39 goals in 75 games (0.52)
7 Rivaldo (list) 35 goals in 74 games ( 0.46) LEGEND
8 Jairzinho (list) 33 goals in 81 games (0.40) LEGEND
Ronaldinho (list) 33 goals in 97 games (0.34 26 LEGEND
10 Ademir 32 goals in 39 games (0.82) LEGEND
Tostão (list) 32 goals in 54 games (0.59)
**** Analysis provided on the basis of all the minutes played in official games since February: 90 minutes
I agree on the whole. He has the right to be the the showman when...fit and performing, which wasn't the case. That said,
(1) At the moment, there is a gap between his brain and his physical state (tonus and stamina)
(2) Tactical considerations: that Brazil team tends to be reliant on his left wing (Marcelo+Coutinho+Neymar). The central midfield should do more to make Brazil less predictable.
(3) Please don't think he has played like that during all his career.
Very pessimistic about his next performances in the short run: he won't be fit this summer IMO
# Name Goals Caps Average
1 Pelé (list) 77 goals in 92 games (0.84) LEGEND
2 Ronaldo (list) 62 goals in 98 games (0.64 LEGEND
3 Romário (list) 55 goals in 70 games (0.79) LEGEND
Neymar (list) 55 goals 86 games (0.63) REDCAFE EXPERTISE: Youtube player overhyped overrated****
5 Zico (list) 48 goals in 71 games (0.67) LEGEND
6 Bebeto (list) 39 goals in 75 games (0.52)
7 Rivaldo (list) 35 goals in 74 games ( 0.46) LEGEND
8 Jairzinho (list) 33 goals in 81 games (0.40) LEGEND
Ronaldinho (list) 33 goals in 97 games (0.34 26 LEGEND
10 Ademir 32 goals in 39 games (0.82) LEGEND
Tostão (list) 32 goals in 54 games (0.59)
**** Analysis provided on the basis of all the minutes played in official games since February: 90 minutes
I agree on the whole. He has the right to be the the showman when...fit and performing, which wasn't the case. That said,
(1) At the moment, there is a gap between his brain and his physical state (tonus and stamina)
(2) Tactical considerations: that Brazil team tends to be reliant on his left wing (Marcelo+Coutinho+Neymar). The central midfield should do more to make Brazil less predictable.
(3) Please don't think he has played like that during all his career.
Very pessimistic about his next performances in the short run: he won't be fit this summer IMO
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Being showman and effective, he should take a look at some Ronaldinho videos.
Would never have this diving clown at United.
Would never have this diving clown at United.
One thing that people should take into account is that if Neymar doesn't go down quickly, he gets hacked. From the player that I have followed, he is probably the one that has received the nastiest challenges in Brazil and Europe, I'm not a fan of diving but he better not stay on his feet.
It can, but it can also strengthen the bond between members of the tribe.
That's life on oppo's forums.38 of his 55 goals for Brazil are in friendlies... it's not really his fault since Brazil didn't have qualifiers for the WC in 2014 but it's only natural he dosn't get a lot of recognition for it.
Let's not pretend though that he only goes over to protect himself from nasty challenges. I mean he does that too and I understand that, but probably half the times he hits the ground there's not even a challenge coming. Yet he still proceeds to hold his leg and roll around as if he's been hacked with a machete.
Going over and asking for a foul is one thing, but the theatrics that follow that are quite another. Every time he goes down he's not only exaggerating the impact (if there was any) but he's actively feigning injury for the next 30 seconds.
Every. Single. Time.
He's a great player but he's such an unlikable twat.
The role of 'unlikable twat' is a smart way to (1) exert pressure on referees and opposing defenders (cards) and (2) indirectly protect his physical integrity
Did some of you watch how the Swiss players attacked him? No other player was defended and fouled that way. It's easy to jump onto the narrative, but the guy was hacked all game long.
All of that aside, he was great in the 2014 WC, so I don't get the whole "ineffective showboater" non-sense after one game.
All of that aside, he was great in the 2014 WC, so I don't get the whole "ineffective showboater" non-sense after one game.
Agree with this. Also his goal scoring record for that national team is outstanding.
Just like Pogba, his off field antics seem to dictate the narrative around his performances. I believe he is comfortably the third best player in the world.
He was hacked all game long because he was looking for it instead of moving the ball. When they played away at Madrid in the Champions League it was the same problem as in the Switzerland game.
He's the third best player in the world by a big margin imo and he's the best dribbler in the world right now but there are moments where he should do it and moments where he shouldn't and he made the wrong decision too often. Hopefully this game has a good effect on him and he learns from it, this World Cup is his time to shine but he needs to let the game come to him rather than wanting to take over when there's no need for that to be the case.
Messi's a clearly better dribbler but you're right. Top 5 player in the world has a bad game and people call him overrated.
Let's agree to complete disagree.
After a while the refs start to ignore you like the boy who cried wolf and players are more likely to target you with nasty challenges cause you're acting up.
I don't think he's achieving anything at all, let alone be smart
A top player is always targeted. When he is down, the spotlights are also on the opposing player and the referee would keep in mind the supposedly offender
I am of those who think the great players are always smart. He doesn't make his circus by accident.
I see this circus as a psychological conditioning: act as the victim, ask for a yellow card/set-piece, send a message to the defender...
I don't say it works always but sometimes it does.
Not agreeing completely here but yeah Neymar is kicked and fouled way too much. For such a fragile looking player, he must be very tough.
1 game or 1 bad world cup won't change anything, he is fecking class player and more than anything, just a joy to watch.
Hope he is ok.
Brazil are a nothing force without him. Even though they have Jesus.
Almost same like 4 years back.
Brazil are a nothing force without him. Even though they have Jesus.
Almost same like 4 years back.
People having a go at him for diving?
I'd love to see his legs after a game. He has to be the most kicked player in Europe. A lot of the kicks are from players who have no intention of getting the ball.
I'd love to see his legs after a game. He has to be the most kicked player in Europe. A lot of the kicks are from players who have no intention of getting the ball.
He was hardly constantly looking for it. In fact, Behrami in particular seemed to be intent on taking his man marking duties of Neymar to the extreme.
Oh come on, he was hacked plenty of times on his first touch
I don't think the diving debate has to be seen in black and white. Yes, he's targeted with hard challenges by most teams. He also flops at the slightest touch and rolls around like he's been shot no matter how hard the tackle. There's something to be said for protecting yourself by going down easier, but it's also worth noting that he does himself no favors by overplaying things. For example, Messi gets constantly hacked and rides most tackles without falling, but even when he goes down he doesn't make a fuss of it. In my opinion, Neymar would get better protection from referees if they didn't have to stop and wonder whether he was faking every time he went down - toning down on the antics would help in this regard.
All that said, he's a wonderful player when on form. He didn't play well against the Swiss, but even at 80% fitness he still has a moment of magic in him during every game. I'm sure we'll see the best of Neymar at some point during this Cup.
All that said, he's a wonderful player when on form. He didn't play well against the Swiss, but even at 80% fitness he still has a moment of magic in him during every game. I'm sure we'll see the best of Neymar at some point during this Cup.
Apparently picked up a new injury during training and limped off the field today. He needs gametime to get back to his old level but it's not worth risking him against a very poor Costa Rica side imo, so should sit out the next game.
Neymar does this a lot for Brazil. He gets the ball behind midfield line and just waits for fouls. It’s really stupid since it slows the game down, he gets unnecessary hits etc. I’d love to know what goes thru his decision making process to play like that.
In Dunga era he did the same, but press would run with the “he has no team mates, so he does this to carry brazil etc etc”. Now that the team has a good foundation he’s just getting exposed as the ball hog and terrible decision maker he is. Sad part is, he does’t need to adjust almost anything.. just keep it ticking when you are 50 meters away from goal. The Brazilian press were very tough on him (several ex players) this time around. Hope he changes this time.
In Dunga era he did the same, but press would run with the “he has no team mates, so he does this to carry brazil etc etc”. Now that the team has a good foundation he’s just getting exposed as the ball hog and terrible decision maker he is. Sad part is, he does’t need to adjust almost anything.. just keep it ticking when you are 50 meters away from goal. The Brazilian press were very tough on him (several ex players) this time around. Hope he changes this time.
Another poor game, hopefully the goal gives him some confidence.
Is there a more unlikeable player at the moment?
The walking definition of a mewling quim.
Would take him at United in a heart-beat.
Always wanted to see him at right-back. He'd know his arse from his elbow then!
Always wanted to see him at right-back. He'd know his arse from his elbow then!
Really annoying individual. Celebrating in tears a victory against Costa Rica in the group stage, when he was awful all the time, as if it was the final of the world cup.
It's all about him. That flick at the end sums him up. He's all about the highlight reel and couldn't care less about the team, and the problem is he's not good enough to do it all on his own.
Started slowly, but he will find his mojo back.
Drama queen.