when are we playing some cannon fodder? would love to see Pogba along side Morrison or Tom 
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we already played Arsenal
Vieira was a very silky player too.
Think he'll be limited to just a few games this season.
Leeds is an exciting CC game but a game at OT would have been better for the young players. Not convinced SAF will throw Pogba in at Bellend road.
Leeds is an exciting CC game but a game at OT would have been better for the young players. Not convinced SAF will throw Pogba in at Bellend road.
He was great with the ball, he was no sitter, he had great ability.
No kidding. His pass set up the best goal in F.A. Cup history.
Vieira was very gifted on the ball, a lot like Yaya. Suprising agility/mobility for a big fella.
Yeah, Im not convinced either. I'm sure he'll be on the bench and we'll start with a fairly strong/ comparatively experienced team with players who need a game. Probably SAF will have the FA cup tie with them in mind, and will "pay them respect".
On Morrison Vs Pogba, Mr Mujac's assessment is accurate. They are both fantastic talents with different strengths (although, I think Morrison is not far behind Pogba in passing technique at all).
I just think Morrison has the X-factor, he could be as good as he wants to be if he put his mind to it.. Just two questions, will he get is head right? and where will he end up playing? Get the feeling he will start as a wide player to protect him a bit more physically but he could be a great no 10. or central midfielder in the end.
But anyway.. this is a thread about Pogba.. I think he could be definitely do a job this year being blooded slowly. Only real issues I have with him is that he drifts through large parts games and at times seems to allow other players to take charge. (Although Chelsea away in the FA youth cup, he did take control of the game in the second half while Morrison was suspended)
I'd like to see him impose himself on games more often.
I don't deny that - but his ability was even bigger without the ball
But sure - he was a skilled player
If you look at skills alone - I agree with you. But if you also include the tactical bit - I don't think he is ready even if he did get his head straight.
Morrison has to be more effective - and even if there were great improvments last season in this respect, I still feel he can lack a bit of respect for his opponents simple because he is too good with the ball. Or to put it like this - I think he could seriously piss opponents off by showboating
Agree with your general point, though. They're completely different players.
I hope Fergie plays largely a full strength side against dirty Leeds and we run out 9-0 winners.
Even then I would still not feel as though we had completely erased that 0-1 FA cup debacle from a couple of seasons back.... but it would be a start.
Even then I would still not feel as though we had completely erased that 0-1 FA cup debacle from a couple of seasons back.... but it would be a start.
The x factor is hard to define but there are plenty of talented players out there. I'm not into the, he's better then him business because we're not describing the same type of players. What is pleasing is we have strength at youth in midfield and we have a real mixture of talent. Sometimes players can be hard to define, but Morrison, Pogba and Tunnicliffe have a clear definition.
You know what they bring. When they'll play and how much only time will tell. I'm sure there will be a little experience in with youth in the carling cup. I LOVE morrison as a central midfielder because he's deceptive. You want him on the ball a lot and in that position he could cause problems
As for Pogba taking charge of games, it's very difficult. While i'm sure the players look to Pogba, they're confident to not be pressure into always playing to him because we have other talented players and everyone wants to express themselves. So one week it might be Pogba another it might be Morrison or Cole or whoever...that stands out more
I think that when he does have the ball, he's quality and there's not really much of a problem. People say Morrison goes through quiet patches and then explodes but when it's Pogba, it's an issue. I'm not sure it is. These players can have quiet moments, but still produce a moment of quality that wins you the game
I'd say its because Morrison is such a smooth operator with great off the ball movement and he also scores important goals. He just looks quality.
Pogba looks class and could become a great central midfielder if he continues to develop and is lucky with injuries, but Morrison is a special talent IMO.
On drifting out of games.. of course all players will have quiet patches in games, especially young ones. I think its more of an issue for Pogba for two reasons.
1) he tends to drift out of games more often and for longer than Morrison and when Morrison has a rougher patch he still always shows for the ball.. Pogba can start moving at walking pace making it difficult for his team mates (talking about last season, he has shown some improvement this year)
2) Morrison can play a number of positions at a high level (I'd say he'll start out wide for experience/physical protection), where as I'd only see Pogba as a CM at first team level (even though he actually did well out wide in Res Vs Arsenal), in the middle of the park drifting for 20-30 mins can be devastating against good opposition.
I agree when Pogba has the ball he is quality, just needs to work hard and achieve a level of consistency and have the right concentration levels to be a first team midfielder, but hopefully that will come with time as he matures.
Sir Alex ponders Pogba debut
Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to hand Paul Pogba a first-team debut in the Carling Cup and will consider several other promising reserves for the trip to Leeds.
The boss plans to integrate Pogba into his squad this term after he had a taste of senior action in Paul Scholes' testimonial, coming as a substitute for the retiring legend.
"Pogba's in the first-team training set-up now," he told Inside United when asked how much he planned to use the France Under-19 midfielder. "So that's the first step.
"After that, it'll likely depend on when we decide to make changes. He'll probably be involved in the League Cup and that'll be his chance to establish himself in the squad."
Pogba, speaking to French magazine 10 Foot whilst away on international duty, feels he is getting closer to realising a dream of playing at the top level.
"Every day I’m aiming for the first team," he stressed. "Sir Alex gave me confidence by picking me for the pre-season game against Marseille in August. So I know I’m on the right track.
"Everyone at the club is great – they look after young players well. We have a laugh and there’s a special atmosphere."
When asked by Inside United about any other youngsters who could be blooded at Elland Road, the boss name-checked five reserve-teamers although the high-profile nature of the draw may end up calling for a more senior starting XI.
"There are a few players who have done well," Sir Alex replied, speaking before the Reds came out of the hat to travel to Yorkshire.
"Will and Michael Keane, Ezekiel Fryers, Larnell Cole, Jesse Lingard - these boys are all good, young players who are making the right progress."
Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to hand Paul Pogba a first-team debut in the Carling Cup and will consider several other promising reserves for the trip to Leeds.
The boss plans to integrate Pogba into his squad this term after he had a taste of senior action in Paul Scholes' testimonial, coming as a substitute for the retiring legend.
"Pogba's in the first-team training set-up now," he told Inside United when asked how much he planned to use the France Under-19 midfielder. "So that's the first step.
"After that, it'll likely depend on when we decide to make changes. He'll probably be involved in the League Cup and that'll be his chance to establish himself in the squad."
Pogba, speaking to French magazine 10 Foot whilst away on international duty, feels he is getting closer to realising a dream of playing at the top level.
"Every day I’m aiming for the first team," he stressed. "Sir Alex gave me confidence by picking me for the pre-season game against Marseille in August. So I know I’m on the right track.
"Everyone at the club is great – they look after young players well. We have a laugh and there’s a special atmosphere."
When asked by Inside United about any other youngsters who could be blooded at Elland Road, the boss name-checked five reserve-teamers although the high-profile nature of the draw may end up calling for a more senior starting XI.
"There are a few players who have done well," Sir Alex replied, speaking before the Reds came out of the hat to travel to Yorkshire.
"Will and Michael Keane, Ezekiel Fryers, Larnell Cole, Jesse Lingard - these boys are all good, young players who are making the right progress."
Our Carling Cup team this year is going to be absolutely mouth-watering.
No Ravelino
Can't wait.
I'd love to see Cole get in there, I enjoy his style a lot, and he's got to be a bit of an underdog to make it into the first XI, considering his class has so many big prospects.
Interesting he mentioned Zeki Fryers. He has been name dropped before by SAF and Rio, but he is not even a reserve team regular. He has had a number of injuries, but I don't see why he has not progressed more based on SAF's reference to him.
No Ravel
I wouldn't say it means much if he missed out a players name. He didn't mention Cofie and obviously we've brady, king etc on loan. It's a good time to be a reserves follower. I remember the great 90's midfield and if you were a midfielder coming through, you had practically no chance. It's different now. Hopefully we beat leeds this time and progress
I don't think Ravel got a mention because he was talking about players making the 'right progress'. That wording was probably specifically a nod to Ravel, to let him know flying right is as important as playing well.
I'll hold me hands up here... I know nothing about this kid, can you give me a basic low-down?
He didnt mention Tunnicliffe either, but happy to hear that Pogba is getting closer to the 1st team
That's because he is on loan
What's happened to Morrison?
He might be a wrongun but youth team football was blatantly too easy for him last year. He seems to no longer exist though.
He might be a wrongun but youth team football was blatantly too easy for him last year. He seems to no longer exist though.
Left back or centre back. Left footed, out for most of last season with a cruciate ligament injury (hence why he is only establishing himself as a reserve team regular this season (he was still eligible for the Academy last year).
He's had an injury, hopefully back soon. There's a reserve match tonight v Bury at Alty, he may be involved.
He is a left back. Good size, physically he has no problems. Think he used to be in the England youth teams a few years ago. Seems to have slipped back in the past year or two. Think he is 19 or 20, certainly too old for the youth team.
Think he has also played CB in a couple of reserve friendlies this season.
Been injured a lot over the past season or two. I think this has delayed his development. I don't think any of the injuries were major though.
A cruciate knee ligament injury was fairly major!
He turns 19 tomorrow, he missed pretty much an entire year with injury and is just returning (broken leg I believe EDIT - cruciate then, thanks datura).
Good stuff to hear about Pogba though, looking forward to seeing his first 35 yarder fly in for the club.
I've not been more excited about a youth prospect from this club. The lad is an absolute beast, his passing and shooting are great, good vision.
Things like his use of his strength (and strength itself) and decision making will improve with game time.
I hope he starts against Leeds, maybe with a senior midfield partner to help him.
Team of:
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Fabio----Rio (game time)--Jones------Evra
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Valencia(if fit)----Fletch---Pogba------Park
-------------Berbatov------Owen------------
Would be my ideal line up.
United need to get Pogba signed up on a long term contract, and the only way is to give him games. He needs to feel his long term future is in the first team.
He's only just started playing in the reserves. He may be a great talent but, even to play in Cup games he'll need to be head and shoulders above everyone else. Perhaps he's starting to show that and maybe that's why the boss says he'll figure but, I don't think we need to rush giving 1st team games just so he feels he has a future. Don't think we have to worry too much about signing him to a long term contract if he indeed will be as immense so far his talents have shown.
I doubt he'll put out too inexperienced a team. He'd hardly want to fall at the first hurdle at Elland Road.
Sir Alex
"I mean if we hold Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave. You know, in a couple of years’ time when his contract is going to finish. So we have to give him the opportunity to see how he can do in the first-team and he’s got great ability, plus he’s got the physique and athleticism."
Yeah I know SAF had sad that but, also think it's one of things he says to motivate/encourage his young players.
I just don't think if we don't give Pogba 1st team games this season, right after coming out of the reserves that he'll think okay it's time for me to go to some other top club where they give 18/19 year olds loads of chances
I just don't think if we don't give Pogba 1st team games this season, right after coming out of the reserves that he'll think okay it's time for me to go to some other top club where they give 18/19 year olds loads of chances
I will be shocked if Pogba doesn't play games for the first team this year.
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