What a disaster.
Pep Guardiola at City next?
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Bild are saying he will renew.
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Indeed. I'd have him as top priority right now given LVG is not here for very long. It would not only be hugely irresponsible not to go after possibly the best manager around, but a big loss to us with respect to our local rivals City. I can see them being very hard to catch with Pep at the helm.
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They definitely do play some nice stuff. They at times take on teams on the front foot that you wouldn't have imagined Atletico doing 10 years back. But he definitely is a tad conservative as a manager in that his teams give off that Chelsea-esque vibe. There are games when they are emphatic, and games where they just rough others up, and most of the time it's in between but with a slant in aforementioned direction.
I'm a big admirer though. Like I said, the league win was as impressive as any trophy win by any manager I've witnessed. So, if he can embrace the new culture, language and all of that, he could be a huge success.
We should try and ask Pep to sign a binding agreement to take over once Van Gaal's contract is up. If he wins the European Cup this season, maybe he can take a sabbatical and come back fresh in 2017. Even if he doesn't win and extends his contract for a season, the tentative 2017 estimate would still be feasible. If Pep is ambiguous, let's sign Carlo for 2016, and pay off the last year of Louis' contract. Both managers are better right now - and in terms of success in the last decade, and can fast-track the teams' ascent to the top relative to Van Gaal; and I really don't believe that one season of missing out on the foundation laying process will hamper us in the short, or long term. What happens when the next manager doesn't like the foundations as will likely be the case? We'll have to work around the best personnel fits for next appointment anyway.
No use being all prim and proper and trying to tie things in a pretty little knot by honoring our agreement with the current manager when we could potentially be out of options in 2017, and scraping the bottom of the barrel for options. Plus, Carlo would be a good sell for future signings. The man is as unorthodox as the come, almost universally respected, and has an awesome track record of managing some of the greatest players in modern football - ranging from Ballon D'Or winners Zidane, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cannavaro, Kaká; to Maldini, Buffon, Del Piero, Nesta, Ibrahimovic, Alonso, Pirlo, Terry, Deschamps, Cafu, Thuram, Lampard and Rui Costa. Can't go wrong with either option to be honest, and Carlo is almost as good as Pep, with a superlative European pedigree and title winning experience in the Premier League to boot. It's time to be ruthless with the decision making.
No use being all prim and proper and trying to tie things in a pretty little knot by honoring our agreement with the current manager when we could potentially be out of options in 2017, and scraping the bottom of the barrel for options. Plus, Carlo would be a good sell for future signings. The man is as unorthodox as the come, almost universally respected, and has an awesome track record of managing some of the greatest players in modern football - ranging from Ballon D'Or winners Zidane, Rivaldo, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cannavaro, Kaká; to Maldini, Buffon, Del Piero, Nesta, Ibrahimovic, Alonso, Pirlo, Terry, Deschamps, Cafu, Thuram, Lampard and Rui Costa. Can't go wrong with either option to be honest, and Carlo is almost as good as Pep, with a superlative European pedigree and title winning experience in the Premier League to boot. It's time to be ruthless with the decision making.
Like today?
Edit: meant Bild said so today?
To be fair to him, this season there has been a noticeable change in their playing style where they are aiming to go out and dominate games more. They have been playing better football then last year too.
Also, they are the only team I have seen utterly dominate teams like Barca and Madrid in games.
Kinda, they made an 'analysis' and listed reasons for him to go or stay and concluded that he'll stay, but it's all speculation. It seems as if they know feck all, which most likely means that the club still doesn't know what Guardiola will do. Bild are really well informed when it comes to Bayern. Guardiola's agent said only a few days ago that he doesn't know what Pep will do next, so it seems unlikely that a deal with City is already done.
I think there are two options:
1. The club already knows that Pep will leave and they successfully keep it under wrap until they have a successor signed. We might not want to replace endless speculation about Guardiola's future with endless speculation who will follow him, if it's unnecessary. But I think that's unlikely, we suck at keeping something under wrap for an extended period of time.
2. No one knows what Pep is going to do, maybe not even Pep himself. His focus is on the team until the winterbreak and he'll make a decision after the last game of the year. That's what Rummenigge said several times now. It would fit to Pep's character, who doesn't seem to be the type to focus on something else than his team during a time when we play twice a week.
Our annual general meeting is today and I don't expect anything to be announced today, but that'll fuel the rumours and it means we most likely get to read lots and lots of new speculation until christmas. I hate it
. If Pep extends I hope he does for 2 years so that we get at least a calm next season. If it's only for one year, he can feck off for all I care, I don't want to have this stupid discussion every year and it's entirely his fault that this discussion gets dragged out for so long.
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Extending his contract by a year is a pretty honest statement and I wouldn´t have any problems with that. There wouldn´t be any room for further speculations. If he´d extend his contract by two years, you can be 100% sure, that he´ll be asked about one billion times whether or not he actually stays two years. I dont know anyone who actually believes that he´d stay for another two years in Munich.
I also understand, that he takes time to evaluate his options. That is more than enough time to find a replacemen. He has to make a clear decision at this point in time so, because we shouldn´t play the crucial part of the season with rumors flying around.
I also understand, that he takes time to evaluate his options. That is more than enough time to find a replacemen. He has to make a clear decision at this point in time so, because we shouldn´t play the crucial part of the season with rumors flying around.
It feels as if he drags it out for no particular reason or at least didn't give a clear time table when he plans to make a decision, which would have allowed us to say from the start when a decision will be made. For a year now, Rummenigge had to tell us about talks that will happen later. You don't really have a choice with him, but I find it annoying and as much as I'd like to have him at the club for a few more years, I wouldn't want it to be like this every season.
Obviously if he extends by a year and makes it clear early enough that it'll be his final season, I won't complain. But if it's a one year extension with 'let's see what happens the following year' added to it, I'll hate it.
According to Isaac Lluch, reliable insider journalist that covers Pep news, no contract or pre-contract have been signed yet. Apparently Madrid sounded him out recently with serious intent.
He'd be perfect to take over from LVG. Will make use of everything laid in place and improve on it.
That will be a very dark era for us, that's for certain. In fact i'm not sure we would return from that scenario as a top force.
If it fails, it'd be a disaster far worse than even Moyes. We'd have not only undone everything van Gaal has developed but you can be sure that there's no way Giggs gets fired till we give him atleast 2 seasons regardless of how bad it goes.
You'll get the ultra romantics who'll tell you that it might work out so it's worth the risk, which is just pure madness. It'd be an absolute disaster.
It doesn't necessarily have to be like that if Giggs stuffs it up. Woodward and co would have to be strong, forget his past as a player, treat him like anybody else and judge him solely on his performances as a manager.
How likely do you think that is considering his stature at the club and the entire romanticism with which the appointment will be made and supported by everyone? We have an inept Moyes a full season almost.
It's unlikely, but a clubs hierarchy is there to make the tough, hard, ruthless decisions.
Yeah, no arguments there but it doesn't quite work that way in real life. Club legends will always get more time.
Wasn't he meant to join City this summer? Heard a load of journalists spout "done deal" bollocks. They obviously have no idea.
And we're stuck with Clipboard Colin and Grizzly Adams
I hope Woodard isn't a spectator in this whole thing and is actively trying to get him. If we allow him move to City and promote Giggs, we will regret it for many years.
Rumours were that he signed a pre-contract with City to take over next summer. Pelle's extension was to be a red herring/reward.
City's ITK'S are getting a bit giddy now especially as rumours suggest Pep's giving today's presser a swerve.
I know nothing just passing on rumours from people who are fairly reliable.
That's why we can't do it. If it fails it'll be very uncomfortable.
Yep. Basically Pep is City coach since 2014, got sacked for Pep in 2015 and will get sacked again in favour of Pep in 2016. Guess he couldn't make it in the Prem.
It's important to remember that he did the same dance repeatedly at his home and childhood club Barca, so we don't have to take it personal.
Not 100% sure, but I think I read his first contract at Barca was 2 seasons, then he made a fuzz about extending in 2010, then made a huge fuzz about extending again in 2011, apparently only committing after the CL semis, in May or something
Safe to say if he waited that long with us, our collective heads would long have exploded.
Obviously, our club cannot really work that way, but it's a reminder that this is not about a problem with his situation at Bayern, but all about himself. He quite simply is a bit (or a lot) of a diva, especially so when committing his future. That's just the way it is.
It's also a reminder that the lack of an extension is by no means proof he has decided to go elsewhere. I could imagine Sammer and Rummenigge know this as well, and they have been relatively cool about it.
I honestly don't think anyone knows what he's going to do.
If that happens, we would be in trouble. Would much rather Ancelotti.
I don't take it personal, I don't care if he has done and will do the same at 10 other clubs, I just find it truely annoying and as much as I rate him, I don't think we should put up with it year after year after year.
I'd be surprised if he were signing a contract at this stage for next season which isn't a renewal with Bayern, but then again I don't know the details of how these things happen in practice. I'd guess he would stay at Bayern a little longer in the hope of winning the Champions League before he goes from them, but I'm no expert in how the man operates.
But I am certain Pep will come to England at some point, and I expect he will go to the strongest team available, like he did when he went to the treble-winning Bayern when he came back from his sabbatical. I don't see him taking the approach of Klopp wanting a long-term project to bring back an old fallen power to compete for honours, but instead wanting a short-term appointment where he can win easy (-ish) league titles, some other trophies and make headway in the Champions League, essentially becoming their best ever manager with relatively little effort given their lack of history. That club is obviously City, with all the money from the owner (sorry - their "sponsors"...) ensuring they remain a position where no domestic club can continually challenge them on paper at least; add to that of course the long-standing idea that the Barca old boys there have been laying the ground for his arrival for years and I think it's inevitable Pep will manage City next - it's just a question of timing.
As for us - well there is a real shortage of top level managers (as there is with players), and a lot of established clubs and sugar daddy clubs looking to appoint them. Someone has to miss-out, and as things are it looks like that will be us.
But I am certain Pep will come to England at some point, and I expect he will go to the strongest team available, like he did when he went to the treble-winning Bayern when he came back from his sabbatical. I don't see him taking the approach of Klopp wanting a long-term project to bring back an old fallen power to compete for honours, but instead wanting a short-term appointment where he can win easy (-ish) league titles, some other trophies and make headway in the Champions League, essentially becoming their best ever manager with relatively little effort given their lack of history. That club is obviously City, with all the money from the owner (sorry - their "sponsors"...) ensuring they remain a position where no domestic club can continually challenge them on paper at least; add to that of course the long-standing idea that the Barca old boys there have been laying the ground for his arrival for years and I think it's inevitable Pep will manage City next - it's just a question of timing.
As for us - well there is a real shortage of top level managers (as there is with players), and a lot of established clubs and sugar daddy clubs looking to appoint them. Someone has to miss-out, and as things are it looks like that will be us.
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City haven't been the strongest team available in England for a while now
Unless you read about them on here, then Barca can only rival them but even then...
Unless you read about them on here, then Barca can only rival them but even then...
There hasn't really been much of a strongest team in England in recent times, with ourselves, City and Chelsea winning the last three leagues, Arsenal always threatening to challenge, and even Liverpool storming to second place against all reason and expectation, but if you were to look on paper at which club would be the best bet if you wanted to come in and fill your boots with trophies in England, then you have to look at the club with unlimited money. And if Roman continues to want Chelsea to stand on their own feet rather than his bank balance, then City is clearly the strongest candidate.
It is annoying, and most of all it's pretty silly that he seems to be offended by journos asking about it, when the only reason why they have somthing to ask about is his diva act in the first place
As for the 'put up' part, sure, but it doesn't look like our board is 'putting up' with it, at least less so than Barca did. They've insisted on a decision by the end of the year, and that's what it will be. Just saying, given his notoriety for not committing until the last minute, it sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.
Would be an interesting situation to play through if he STILL didn't want to say anything then. Let's say it's December 22nd, they have a meeting and Pep goes "I'm sorry, I still can't say I'll extend. Not saying I won't, just can't make the decision yet.."
Would you say our club should go ahead, state there won't be an extension and look to sign a new coach?
I will honestly stop watching football for the length of his tenure at City (if he goes there), because they will dominate the league while we fade away under dismal management.
Klopp at Liverpool, Jose at Chelsea, Pep at City and Giggs for us. I am pretty sure we will go through a very long barren spell. Just the thought makes me quake. We cannot afford to let it happen.
I wouldn't state publicly that there won't be an extension. But I would tell Guardiola, that we're forced to look for alternatives because we can't wait, miss out on quality options and be left in a desperate situation. And that once we found an alternative and made an official offer, we can't go back to him again. It's a shitty situation and I hate it that we have to put pressure on him, because I really want him to stay, best case longterm. But again, if he wants to act like a diva with his contract extension every year from now on, he can feck off for all I care. It annoys me.
It's probably good that I don't have to make these decisions though
.I just don't think I could stomach it; it's bad enough as things are. I could take it if we played good football, but this rot we currently play just makes me dread every game.
What your experiencing now is nothing compared to what you will experience if the said managerial changes happen.
So apparently City's ITK's are getting giddy about Pep's cousin dying. They must have really good connections to higher ups if they saw that one coming.