Phil Jones

Got taken to school tonight.

Looked like a 19 year old lad, in his first season of CL football.

Funnily enough, that's what is. Oh well. At least that will temper the ridiculous hype that's been surrounding him since his very first game.

He did look like a 19 year old lad in his first season of CL football but I don't think the hype surrounding him is ridiculous Pogue. I haven't seen as complete a defender in a long, long time. He has it all and considering he's only 19, he's shown unbelievable maturity regards his performances and his confidence in barking out orders to players much older than him.

Future United and England captain IMO.
 
Poor game by his standards but its all part of his learning the game and maturing as a player. I'm sure he'll take more out of that game than his other games where he did well.
 
Biggest worry is him giving the ball away round the penalty area. 2-3 times he did it against Chelsea. Once against Stoke and once in this game which finally cost us a goal.

Should be an easy thing to buff out. Thing is he seems to pass it without looking. That's a very silly thing to do for a defender whom is under pressure.

Yeah, I noticed that. He seems to always want to play the ball out of defence with a short pass. He needs to learn that sometimes, when under extreme amounts of pressure, as we where last night, it's better to just get rid. He will learn this. Still extremely excited about him.
 
Yeah, I noticed that. He seems to always want to play the ball out of defence with a short pass. He needs to learn that sometimes, when under extreme amounts of pressure, as we where last night, it's better to just get rid. He will learn this. Still extremely excited about him.

Coming from Blackburn you think he'd know how to hoof the ball out right?

I think he'll do better for us at the right with Rio/Smalling/Evans alongside Vidic in defense.
 
He did look like a 19 year old lad in his first season of CL football but I don't think the hype surrounding him is ridiculous Pogue. I haven't seen as complete a defender in a long, long time. He has it all and considering he's only 19, he's shown unbelievable maturity regards his performances and his confidence in barking out orders to players much older than him.

Future United and England captain IMO.

Actually that's true. My comment about the hype was over the top. Was just trying to point out that he's young and fallible, which is no big deal. I think he's going to turn out to be one of Fergie's best ever signings. Bound to be a few iffy displays on the way though.
 
Actually that's true. My comment about the hype was over the top. Was just trying to point out that he's young and fallible, which is no big deal. I think he's going to turn out to be one of Fergie's best ever signings. Bound to be a few iffy displays on the way though.

It's very rare that anybody can find something you said that was slightly wrong so I thought I'd call you out on it when I got the chance!

When a player comes to United, every single pass, tackle, header, run etc. is scrutinised and looked at from every possible angle and at 19, Jones is going to make mistakes. Christ at 19, which was only a couple of years ago, I was in my 2nd year of college! He's going to be a cracking player and last night just shows that you can't have a bad game at United without it being noticed. Every single performance has to be top notch, that's why we're so successful.

Another thing that crosses my mind, which is slightly off topic, is when you look at players that come to United and don't quite make it, they seem to prosper elsewhere. Tim Howard, Ryan Shawcross, Pique, Rossi to name a few, have all become integral parts of their squad. It must be unbelievable pressure to be under the kosh constantly at United. A season or two ago, Jones would have made similar mistakes and still go MOTM at Blackburn. Likewise with Smalling, I remember Hodgson saying that he was ironing out all his mistakes at Fulham before he came to United.
 
He really reminds me of Luiz last season for Chelsea. Comes in and looks mightily impressive and gets rave reviews with his undoubted potential, but there's always signs of his naivety and that his gung-ho nature will have to be tempered before he truly can become a great player.
 
Manchester United's Phil Jones: it's flattered to be compared with Duncan Edwards

As Phil Jones pulls up a chair beneath the black and white images of Manchester United’s youngsters from previous generations, it becomes impossible to avoid the elephant in the room.

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A youthful Ryan Giggs dominates the backdrop, there are pictures of Paul Scholes, David Beckham, Gary Neville and, in the corner, a portrait of the Busby Babes with the imposing frame of Duncan Edwards standing out from the crowd.

“If you talk to Bobby Charlton,” says Paddy Crerand, Charlton’s team-mate in United’s 1968 European Cup winning team, “Phil Jones reminds him of Duncan Edwards with his power and build.”

At 19, four months after arriving at Old Trafford in a £16.5 million transfer from Blackburn Rovers – a move which enabled Jones to move out of his parents’ Leyland home for a central Manchester apartment – the England Under-21 defender is perhaps shouldering an impossible burden by evoking comparisons to Edwards, a name which occupies sacred ground at United and who, at 21, lost his life as a result of injuries suffered in the Munich air disaster.

But despite the pitfalls of such a nod to the past, given an emotional charge by Charlton’s advocacy, Jones accepts it as though he is, well, intercepting a pass in front of 75,000 people at Old Trafford.

“It’s brilliant for me to even be considered as being a player who could become as good as Duncan Edwards was,” Jones said. “It is flattering and, for young lads like myself and my team-mates to be compared to great young players of the past, it is an amazing feeling.

“People have told me about Duncan, facts and figures about him, but I obviously know what he means to this club. When you come into training in the morning, knowing that people are talking about you in the same breath as players of the Busby era, it is fantastic, but I can’t let it affect me. I have to play my own game and continue to do what I have been doing so far.”

However unfair, premature or misplaced the comparisons to Edwards might be, there is little doubt that Jones shares with his distant United predecessor a sense of being mature beyond his years.

Having lured Jones from Blackburn at the end of last season, United manager Sir Alex Ferguson admitted that the sight of the then 18 year-old directing his Rovers team-mates and attempting to cajole them into a response while trailing 7-1 at Old Trafford last November prompted an unsuccessful bid to sign the teenager in January.

Jones’s leadership qualities shone as Blackburn were dismantled by United and they left a mark on Ferguson, yet off the field, the defender speaks and acts like a man with a greater understanding of the world than most would expect of a 19 year-old.

The stable and supportive upbringing provided by parents Mark and Helen, Jones insists, is the central pillar of his outlook on football and life beyond the pitch, yet his character has also been shaped by the trauma of seeing two school friends lose their lives in tragic circumstances within the space of four years.

In 2006, Ryan Masterman was killed when he was knocked from his bicycle, while Matthew Miller died after falling from a motorway bridge in 2010.

Jones helped raise funds to provide a memorial for Ryan at Balshaw’s High School in Leyland and he admits such tragedies contribute to a wider perspective on life.

“Matthew was in my French and Spanish classes and he sat next to me, while Ryan was in my tutor group.” Jones said. “It was hard for us to go through it when it happened, it was very difficult.

“But we all pulled together and got a memorial garden set up for the lad, Ryan. He was a lovely lad, everyone got along with him really well, so it was terrible.

“Bad times are an eye-opener and, when things aren’t going well, I always remind myself that I have my family, my friends, my girlfriend.

“People like that will always be there with you, so I always try to take the positives out of things. That’s the joy of football, though, in that one minute you can be up there and the next, down here.”

After this interview Jones is off to visit patients at Francis House Children’s Hospice with United team-mate Chris Smalling.

“It’s horrible for people in those situations and we want to give things back,” Jones said.

“Football is hyped up these days and it is an amazing game that people quite rightly get excited about, but there are soldiers in Afghanistan and people fighting for their lives in hospital and sometimes we have to remember that.”

On the pitch, Jones’s greatest challenge after nine appearances in a United shirt appears to be living up to the hype that his performances for Ferguson’s United team have generated.

Although the timing of his move to Old Trafford in June surprised many, it has since emerged that United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham and Everton had all been courting him for months.

Ferguson’s interest was such that one senior figure at Ewood Park admitted privately that the Scot was “always talking about Phil whenever he came here”.

Blackburn rejected a £10 million bid for Jones from Arsenal in August 2010, but United secured his services by triggering a £16.5 million release clause in the player’s Ewood Park contract, despite intense competition from Liverpool.

Jones said: “It was brilliant when I heard of United’s interest, an incredible feeling.

“The whole experience – speaking to the manager on the phone, meeting him in person, going through the whole process of signing – was fantastic.

“Lots of clubs showed an interest in me, but United just felt right; the whole club, the set-up. It wasn’t the fact that it was United, it was that I walked in here and met people, the staff and physios et cetera, and it just felt right.

“At Blackburn, when I knew there was interest from bigger clubs, I said to myself that if it [a move] happens, then it has to feel right and this felt right.”

A delay in completing the transfer, caused by suggestions that Blackburn’s Indian owners, Venkys, were attempting to secure a greater fee for Jones prompted speculation that the deal was on the brink of collapse and that Liverpool were prepared to outbid United.

Jones insists, however, that he flew to Denmark with England Under-21s for the European Championships unconcerned by the failure of the two clubs to sign off the deal immediately.

“I was never concerned that it wouldn’t happen,” Jones said. “I was always confident because I knew it was happening. Rumours were flying around and people were talking about all sorts of things, but I knew 100 per cent that it would happen.

"There was talk of the Blackburn owners not willing to sell for a certain price, that they wouldn’t sell at all, but it wasn’t the case.

“There were even rumours on Twitter that I had failed a medical, which was simply not true. I was seeing all this on Twitter, knowing the reality of the situation, but I decided not to get involved and respond to it.

"I was laughing at some of the tweets, though, because people really didn’t understand what was going on.

“I spoke to [Blackburn manager] Steve Kean over the phone and he was great to me.

“When it all went through he called me and wished me all the best and told me that I should be going to United as the number one because I was good enough to do it.”

Injuries to Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic have enabled Jones to justify Kean’s faith and belief earlier than many had anticipated.

A series of confident performances in United’s defence, both at right-back and centre-half, have left Ferguson facing a selection quandary when Vidic returns from his calf injury and Ferdinand draws a line under his fitness problems.

But while Jones admits to being surprised by his early progress at United, he does not feel as though his elevation has come too soon.

He said: “I wanted to come here and play. I didn’t want to come from playing every week at Blackburn to becoming a bit-part player at United, but I knew I probably had to do that at the start.

“I wanted to come to United because I felt that the club was right for me, so if I had to wait, I was prepared for it.” And the hype and star billing?

“One of my strong points is that, no matter what anyone says about me, it will not affect me,” Jones said. “It’s because I believe in my ability and what I can achieve.

“I know I am good enough to be here, otherwise the manager wouldn’t have paid the money he spent to bring me to the club.

“It doesn’t matter what anyone tells me, I know that I can rely on myself. It comes from my parents. They are the same strong-minded people as I am and I just don’t let anyone bring me down.

“I want to be a successful player. I want to be remembered one day as a great player, good athlete, good professional. I don’t want to be a player that people don’t remember, but I have to work hard for that. I have to do some grafting, but it is something I am willing to do.”

Jones’s emergence appears to have set the clock ticking on Ferdinand’s career with both United and England.

The 32 year-old’s injuries have handed his younger rival an opportunity which Jones has grasped at Old Trafford, while Fabio Capello believes Jones and Arsenal’s Jack Wilshere can provide the bedrock of England’s team for the next decade.

For now, however, Jones must settle for under-21 duty while he waits for his senior debut.

A call-up into Stuart Pearce’s squad for this month’s Euro 2013 qualifiers against Iceland and Norway suggests he will miss out on a call-up for the Euro 2012 decider against Montenegro next Friday.

Despite an admission that a place in Capello’s Euro 2012 squad is a target, Jones insists he is not aggrieved by his continuing presence in the under-21 picture.

He said: “The under-21s is still a big thing because it is a massive honour to represent your country at any level. The under-21s are no different. The lads and the coaching staff are great and I am still learning. Any international football is a learning experience.

“Euro 2012 would be great, but I have to keep performing well for United if that is to happen.

“I was in with the seniors for the last game, against Wales, and that was a brilliant experience.

“Once you get a taste you want more and I want to be pushing for senior recognition. Just because I am 19 doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t be challenging for a place in the England squad.

“If I keep doing well and my performances are showing that, then I don’t see why not.”

How does Jones compare with Edwards?

Phil Jones has earned comparisons to Manchester United icon Duncan Edwards during his brief time at Old Trafford, but why is the 19 year-old being bracketed alongside one of the greats of the Busby Babes?

What are the similarities?

Edwards was equally adept at playing in defence or midfield and his powerful physique belied his age, even as a teenager. Jones, having made his Blackburn debut as a 17 year-old, is bestowed with similar physical attributes.

How good was Edwards?

Sir Bobby Charlton has described Edwards as the best player he ever played with or against, a born leader who could, according to Charlton, score goals, defend, tackle and head the ball better than any of his contemporaries. Stanley Matthews described Edwards as being “like a rock in a raging sea”.

What had Edwards achieved before being killed at Munich?

Edwards was 21 when he died due to injuries suffered at Munich. By that age, he had been capped 18 times by England and had won two league titles at United having made 177 appearances for the club.
Manchester United's Phil Jones: it's flattered to be compared with Duncan Edwards - Telegraph
 
Was very very good today and that tackle was fantastic :drool:

Still think he should play on the right though as he seems to get beaten in the air quite a bit.

Jones ------ Smalling/Rio------Vidic-----Evra
 
Was very very good today and that tackle was fantastic :drool:

Still think he should play on the right though as he seems to get beaten in the air quite a bit.

Jones ------ Smalling/Rio------Vidic-----Evra

seemed to have a good understanding with Evans today, once he moved out right and Rio moved central we seemed to wobble a bit more.
 
And apparently that foul late on was the first foul he's committed in 553 minutes of football this season :eek:
 
He really, really saved us with that tackle with the player on goal. He got the situation exactly right and it was top class defending. He had to mark his own player so that the pass wasnt on then pick the right moment to close down the man on the ball, so there wasnt much space for a pass to the man he was leaving behind and also time his tackle and get the ball. He did all of that, effectively the job of 2 CBs in that move.
 
He was outstanding again today.

I saw something truly amazing today. A 19 year old kid in his first few months at the club gesturing/complaining to the bench when Valencia was moved forward. He made Phelan come down from the dug out and change back the system.
 
he does make mistakes, but he does not allow them to affect him. He is in the end always remembered for some of the great moves, runs or tackles.

an amazing player who even now I believe will go on to become one of the greatest footballers ever.
 
I'm trying not to follow the sheep with all the papers and pundit w*nkfest about Phil Jones but this guy really does look mustard doesn't he. Every game he seems to do something that catches the eye. Some brilliant tackles today. What a player. Hopefully injuries are kind to him and he continues to progress.
 
I wish people will just wish him well in the future instead saying things like he will be a legend and greatest footballer ever.
Set him up so high and when something goes wrong, same people crush him. All I wish is that he keeps a level head and not get ahead of himself.
 
Absolute beast today. For me he's up there with the best defenders in the country and is simply undroppable. I thought he balanced his forward runs and his defensive duties well today, something he didn't do against Basel.
 
I love Jones and he's going to become an absolute monster, and you could occasionally see evidence of this today, but it was also evident that he's nowhere near the finished article yet. He's a great defender, but he's not a great 1/4 of a defence. Yet.
 
In the early part of the second half when Norwich came up two on one against him, he was absolutely brilliant. They actually highlighted it in the Norwegian PL studio as well, which was great to see!

He timed it to perfection, closing the option of playing the second player behind him, forcing the guy with the ball down the right. The bam, at the perfect time, he swept in and averted the danger with a fantastic tackle! Just two on one is really unfair for those who are just two, as long as the lone man is Phil Jones.
 
Great decision making, could easily have rushed to close the man with the ball as i'd expect any defender his age to do and create an easy pass to an unmarked striker.

I can't wait to see how a Vidic Jones partnership pans works.
 
He was outstanding again today.

I saw something truly amazing today. A 19 year old kid in his first few months at the club gesturing/complaining to the bench when Valencia was moved forward. He made Phelan come down from the dug out and change back the system.

Let's be honest here Sultan, he's a future captain with big bells ringing and a neon sign that says "CAPTAIN." Isn't he really?
 
I had a dream that in trying to poke the ball home he accidentally knocked out John Terry. Then as Terry lay unconcious with his tongue hanging out of his mouth, it snowed about 4 inches in a split second. Phil Jones just watched.

Make of that what you will.
 
I had a dream that in trying to poke the ball home he accidentally knocked out John Terry. Then as Terry lay unconcious with his tongue hanging out of his mouth, it snowed about 4 inches in a split second. Phil Jones just watched.

Make of that what you will.

That sounds like a wonderful dream, I'd be skipping around like a gay baby dear all day after a dream like that.
 
This guy is going to continue to make the guess the line-up game very difficult. If he starts showing up in midfield the matchday threads are going to get ridiculous.

Here I was thinking, after Arsenal, that the line-up game might get boring and we'd see that team most of the season.
 
t was a difficult game.

Norwich came here with a game-plan and stuck to it,” said the £16m centre back.

“It made it difficult for us to break them down but we showed signs of champions in getting two goals late on.

“It’s a big win for us.

“As champions, football fans expect you to turn up and be the best every week but we know football isn’t like that and that was proved against Norwich.

“Their game-plan worked well for them before we broke them down in the end.

“They made it difficult and we had to be patient, that’s what the manager said at half-time – move the ball quicker but be patient.

“They’re dangerous with a few good players up front who are sharp and lively.

“We had to watch out for that – perhaps I was needed too many times, when I wasn’t expected to be, but that’s what I’m there for.

“It’s been difficult not having a settled back-four all season but all the lads are capable of switching around and it again shows the sign of champions, coming into positions and still proving you’re good enough.

“I wanted to come to Manchester United but having played most games for Blackburn, week in and week out, I knew it was tough to ask for here.

“But I’ve enjoyed it and I’m enjoying it now. I love doing what I’m doing.”

Impressive maturity for him in this interview. I still can't believe he's only 19.
 
It’s been difficult not having a settled back-four all season but all the lads are capable of switching around and it again shows the sign of champions, coming into positions and still proving you’re good enough.

Indeed. Have we played the same back four in two consecutive games yet?

Not to mention being forced to play rookie keepers behind them.

No great surprise we've been a bit ropey at the back so far this season.
 
Impressive maturity for him in this interview. I still can't believe he's only 19.

I don't think it's special at all. Most 18 years old can give a similar interview. Just a standard interview with often used phrases like "signs of champions" and "big win".
 
Indeed. Have we played the same back four in two consecutive games yet?

Not to mention being forced to play rookie keepers behind them.

No great surprise we've been a bit ropey at the back so far this season.

I think Rio's injury/age issues will stop us from having a fixed back four this year ..... that part of the team is in full transition.

Its a fight: Vidic Evra (with Fabio as cover) are still confirmed but the other CB spot is between Rio/Smalling/Jones and Right back between Rafael, Smalling, Fabio.

Ideally, by the season end, I'd like it to be Rafael, Vicic, Jones, Evra ..... all kudos and respect to rio etc.

I think next year, Evra will really feel the heat from Fabio.
 
I love the fact that so many of our defensive players are so versatile. Makes it so much easier for SAF during our now annual defensive crisis's.
 
He had to play against Jovetic who was is by far their best player. He did okay overall but probably should've given away a penalty. Showed class on the ball and made one or two of his signature runs.
 
Man United Star Announces Shock Retirement | English Football | The Monday Supplement |The World's Number 1 Premier League Football Comedy Website

Phil Jones today announced his retirement from international duty in order to concentrate on his Manchester United career.

The 21 year old, who made his debut for the National side versus Montenegro last night, said the time was right to quit the England set up and promised to reveal all in his new book entitled ‘Does anyone really care anymore?”

“All of the former players told me about how ending their England career was the best thing they ever did so I was desperate to experience it for myself” said Jones.

“I felt so much pride during the national anthems knowing that I’d served my time in an England shirt and could now quit and concentrate on the important stuff like Champions League and United training sessions.”

Old Trafford legends Paul Scholes and Gary Neville are said to support the move and even Bobby Charlton defended the player saying that he regained a full head of hair on ending his international career.

The move is sure to be a setback for England who are also facing the loss of Wayne Rooney, who opted for rolling suspension rather than permanent retirement, but manager Fabio Capello says that he understands the player’s decision.

Speaking through an interpreter the Italian said that Jones would be remembered as one England’s ‘top performers’ and that he may now make one last attempt to bring Wayne Bridge back into the England team.