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Localised green politics, for the purpose of curtailing global warming, is utterly pointless. Britain is responsible for what, 2% of the world's carbon emissions?

'Green' thinking is important, but it needs to be mainstream thinking...across the whole planet.
 
I'd love to be able to waste my vote on the Greens really, cause the ridiculously safe Tory seat in which I reside had, at the last election, the options of Labour, Lib Dems and fecking UKIP with which to cast my protest. Still smarting over the referendum...
 
The beauty of having no hope of government is that you don't have to modify your wilder and less practical policies.
 
ICM now puts the Conservatives six points ahead at 40 - 34.

To be an effective opposition you either have to be good at making proposals and thus driving the narrative or you must be good at reacting to policy and developments - Labour are rubbish at both. Over 18 months since the last election we know barely nothing about their policy agenda, whilst Miliband is lousy at challenging the government over anything, he appears to be silent on Europe and has nothing to say about troubles eminating from the Eurozone so no wonder their approval ratings are falling.

When Margaret Hodge as a committee chairwoman is the most influential and hard hitting labour politician that isn't saying much.
 
Well, not forever, but coal and dirty oil reserves could last centuries. Cost is a different matter to availability of course.

Plus nuclear power is pretty much endless.

'Green' energies are a long way off yet.

Gah! Why does this get recycled so often, despite being nonsense?
 
I'd love to be able to waste my vote on the Greens really, cause the ridiculously safe Tory seat in which I reside had, at the last election, the options of Labour, Lib Dems and fecking UKIP with which to cast my protest. Still smarting over the referendum...

Same. Sigh
 
Localised green politics, for the purpose of curtailing global warming, is utterly pointless. Britain is responsible for what, 2% of the world's carbon emissions?

'Green' thinking is important, but it needs to be mainstream thinking...across the whole planet.

Green policies extend far beyond our impact on the global environment
 
Yeah but we kind of need them to save the planet from utter destruction.

I think that's a tad hyperbolic if I'm being honest. You have to face the issue seriously, undoubtedly, but climate change isn't an unknown quantity to this planet and has occurred throughout history, it's perhaps conceited in the extreme to believe humanity could systematically destroy the most powerful terrestrial force we know - nature. Climate change is very real, but the fact is we can only make the best of an already bad situation and as Rednev said, the whole planet would have to work towards the issue, not one very small Island in the north Atlantic.

Also, we do need them, but voting in the green party won't guarantee the development of such technologies, especially considering the rest of the economy would probably collapse (due to the damage made to existing and frankly necessary energy sources/revenues) before the technologies became sustainable on any level.

I have sympathy with green voters, but I can't logically accept them as a viable vote.
 
Localised green politics, for the purpose of curtailing global warming, is utterly pointless. Britain is responsible for what, 2% of the world's carbon emissions?

'Green' thinking is important, but it needs to be mainstream thinking...across the whole planet.

Possibly the first time we'll ever agree on anything, let's enjoy this Rednev.
 
I think that's a tad hyperbolic if I'm being honest. You have to face the issue seriously, undoubtedly, but climate change isn't an unknown quantity to this planet and has occurred throughout history, it's perhaps conceited in the extreme to believe humanity could systematically destroy the most powerful terrestrial force we know - nature. Climate change is very real, but the fact is we can only make the best of an already bad situation and as Rednev said, the whole planet would have to work towards the issue, not one very small Island in the north Atlantic.

Also, we do need them, but voting in the green party won't guarantee the development of such technologies, especially considering the rest of the economy would probably collapse (due to the damage made to existing and frankly necessary energy sources/revenues) before the technologies became sustainable on any level.

I have sympathy with green voters, but I can't logically accept them as a viable vote.

Someone has to take the lead in this respect, and we've already got legally binding targets to adhere to, namely the considerable 80% reduction by 2050.

I would much rather trust the Green Parties judgement on key issues like transport, energy and housing/development compared to the likes of Labour/Tories/Lib Dems. Mainly, I'd put this down to them not being in bed with the major corporate influences in the world, which the Tories almost certainly are.
 
Since when does ones constituency represent the nation?

At the same time, I'd also question how representative the polls were, being taken just slightly after the right wing of the nation collectively ejaculated over Cameron's veto and all.
 
At the same time, I'd also question how representative the polls were, being taken just slightly after the right wing of the nation collectively ejaculated over Cameron's veto and all.

You cannot judge too much too accurately when turnout in a specific constituency plummets, when it does that it tells you who the ideological stalwarts are, and by definition how many floating voters there are but you cannot read much into national voting patterns from such instances.
 
Localised green politics, for the purpose of curtailing global warming, is utterly pointless. Britain is responsible for what, 2% of the world's carbon emissions?

'Green' thinking is important, but it needs to be mainstream thinking...across the whole planet.

Only if you see Britain's influence as being entirely cut off beyond its borders. Britain has some of the World's great research institutions and advanced manufacturing centres. If the UK invested in "green" technology, it could be exporting efficient, low-carbon technology to the World for the next century.

We'd also be able to reduce the highly polluting practices of extracting and processing oil, gas, coal and uranium in other countries.
 
Its the way I tell them.

My dog has no nose. How does he smell?

Terrible

Boom, boom.
 
French prosecutors have launched a criminal investigation into Conservative MP Aidan Burley and 12 of his friends who attended a Nazi-themed stag night at an Alpine ski resort.

Burley, 32, and members of his party face prison and fines after examining magistrates sitting in Albertville received a complaint of ‘inciting racial hatred and glorifying crimes against humanity’.

They could face imprisonment of up to six months if convicted.

It relates to a stag night held in a restaurant and bar in nearby Val Thorens on December 3 during which Mr Burley, MP for Cannock Chase in Staffordshire, and his friends were caught on video.

Accountant Mark Fournier, a 34-year-old Oxford graduate, wore a replica uniform of the SS – the infamous Schutz-Staffel who were responsible for millions of murders during World War II, many related to the Holocaust.

One guest, sitting beside the MP in a restaurant, was filmed raising a toast to ‘the ideology and thought process of the Third Reich.’

Later, after moving on to a British-themed pub, some of the group chanted: ‘Mein Fuhrer! Mein Fuhrer! Mein Fuhrer!’, ‘Himmler! Himmler! Himmler!’ and ‘Eichmann! Eichmann! Eichmann!’

Heinrich Himmler founded the SS, while he and Adolf Eichmann were directly responsible for the Holocaust, in which millions of Jews died.
A spokesman for Albertville prosecutors said a preliminary enquiry had been opened, and that those involved in the outrage could receive up to six months in prison and large fines if convicted.

Julien Andrez, counsel for La Fondue restaurant, where the stag night started, said they had filed a criminal complaint, as had Hamdy Boussouiba, director of French pressure group SOS Racism.

Calling for Mr Burley to be fired, Mr Boussoiba said: ‘The hotel management should have made a complaint straight away, but better late than never.’

Andrew Plaisance, the Mayor of Saint-Martin de Belleville, which covers Val Thorens, said he hoped a prosecution would send out the message that acts which glorified Nazism were ‘unspeakable’ and should be ‘strongly condemned without reservation.’

Mr Burley, who has been sacked from his post as a parliamentary private secretary but remains an MP, this week apologised for his ‘crass and insensitive’ behaviour and the ‘terrible offence’ he caused.

He strenuously denied that he had taken part in toasts to the Third Reich, and distanced himself from the ‘inexcusable behaviour’ of other guests at the party.

But Mr Burley would not directly address claims that he hired the SS uniform for the stag night.

The Conservative Party said it was launching a fuller investigation into Mr Burley’s behaviour, with Prime Minister David Cameron being kept aware of all developments.

Under the French penal code, it is a crime, unless required for a film, a play or a historical exhibition, to exhibit in public a uniform, insignia or emblem reminiscent of those which were worn by the Nazis.

Earlier this year British fashion designer John Galliano was found guilty of making anti-Semitic remarks by a Paris court and was sentenced to pay a total of 2400 pounds in suspended fines. Galliano had been caught on video insulting people in a bar in the French capital.

French launch criminal investigation into Tory MP Aidan Burley over Nazi-themed stag night - Telegraph

Tories showing their true colours.
 

One guest, sitting beside the MP in a restaurant, was filmed raising a toast to ‘the ideology and thought process of the Third Reich.’

Later, after moving on to a British-themed pub, some of the group chanted: ‘Mein Fuhrer! Mein Fuhrer! Mein Fuhrer!’, ‘Himmler! Himmler! Himmler!’ and ‘Eichmann! Eichmann! Eichmann!’

Heinrich Himmler founded the SS, while he and Adolf Eichmann were directly responsible for the Holocaust, in which millions of Jews died.

Shocking on a new level. Where are the Jewish groups screaming that this crew get locked up?

EDIT: Everybody should be demanding that this group of people get punished, not just Jewish groups...
 
You should know that being so knowledgeable about North Korea.

I don't see your point, one constituency in outer West London representing 95,000 people out of 63,000,000 that has its share of national problems, unique problems, has demographics unlike national averages, a constituency where turnout fell dramatically does not represent the nation in the same way a by-election in South Shields or in Henley-on-Thames wouldn't be representative either.
 
So HMG gets behind High Speed Two, it is about time that we built a high speed rail network, I am going to shock and terrify you by saying that we should have done so in the eighties alongside the road building that went on. Yes, I am criticising Margaret Thatcher for something.

Though better late than never, there is only so much you can do to update the standard rail network and with the modernisation that has been occurring it is pretty much at its limits now so intercity travel needs its own network.

London to Birmingham in less than fifty minutes is a very good thing, it will also be possible from what I understand to run standard trains on it to bypass other lines, as such trains from London to Liverpool or to Manchester will be able to use the line and so forth.
 
Agreed TGB, the biggest step for Britain in the last 50 years and like you said it should have 20 years ago.
 
I think that's a tad hyperbolic if I'm being honest. You have to face the issue seriously, undoubtedly, but climate change isn't an unknown quantity to this planet and has occurred throughout history, it's perhaps conceited in the extreme to believe humanity could systematically destroy the most powerful terrestrial force we know - nature.

Er, no, we are probably fecked.
 
The unions are going to go mental, Ed Balls is to support the Government on public sector pay rises through the end of this parliament.
 
You must be pleased to see a responsible opposition though, surely? It's not something that can be said for every country.

We railwaymen are expecting 4 or 5% incidentally, plus a nice olympics bonus for some reason that I haven't quite grasped yet. I think that must be because we work so fecking hard.
 
The unions should disaffiliate and set up their own party once gain as they did in 1900 - this lot are a joke.

Such a party would then only represent a minority and never gain power. Fine if you want more of a pressure group, but they can be that anyway. If the PR loons had won then it might have been a good idea, though.
 
The unions should disaffiliate and set up their own party once gain as they did in 1900 - this lot are a joke.

The unions are almost as watered down with corporatist thinking as Labour

They're not sticking with them as the best of a bad lot, they largely agree with them
 
Way to go to split the left wing vote and keep the conservatives in power.

From that point of view Labour will suffer, but I do find it refreshing to see people breaking from political dogma sometimes. We in the public sector are reconciled to the fact that we have to take the hit until 2015. There's no point in Balls saying that Labour would give us all pay rises, as we know that that would not be a feasible plan in reality.

What is of much more concern to the public sector is being slashed in favour of private contractors and increased profit motive. If Labour stand by their traditional stance of supporting the public sector in its deliverance of key public services, then they will be staying true to their beliefs whilst gaining credibility through not just mindlessly criticising every coalition decision.
 
It's a joke. Some of the poorest people in the country see their real income cut while directors give themselves 50% pay rises. And Labour says they have to go along with this nonsense.

But how does setting up a new party that has zero chance of winning an election help the matter?