Definitely wrong there mate. If Newcastle had world class attackers they would have been 2-0 up at half time. The goals in the second half also masked a poor performance because we randomly attack and scored by chance.
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Manchester United 1:0 Brighton & Hove Albion
Post-match discussion
Sat, 25 November 2017
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Definitely wrong there mate. If Newcastle had world class attackers they would have been 2-0 up at half time. The goals in the second half also masked a poor performance because we randomly attack and scored by chance.
I am not quite sure why you reiterate the fact that we are 'not the manager ffs..'. Of course not. But we are fans, buy tickets, travel, pay subscriptions, merchandise... so I think we are stakeholders in this club. It isn't about the 3pts... it's an assessment of our performances. They, from an attacking perspective over recent months have been dreadful. Dreadful. Unless we win BIG titles this season, I actually fear for the likes of De Gea and Pogba. Our attacking play is boring, atrocious, uninspiring.. as per Moyes, as per LVG... ddefensively, cannot complain and Mourinho should be applauded for that, hugely, and his first season was a success, in terms of stabilising the club and team.
But this season... from an attacking perspective, since we have been tested against better teams, we have been awful.
That was a slog. Brightons time wasting and players falling over at the slightest touch was headwrecking. Still had 1-0 written all over it. Lukaku's workrate was brilliant towards the end.
Sky Sports reporting is a joke though,the app has "Utd score fluke goal" when its quite clearly a bloody deflection while the Chelsea headline is "Willian grabs a point" yet his goal was a complete fluke.
Still 3 points and on to the next game.
Sky Sports reporting is a joke though,the app has "Utd score fluke goal" when its quite clearly a bloody deflection while the Chelsea headline is "Willian grabs a point" yet his goal was a complete fluke.
Still 3 points and on to the next game.
I would love to know what is stopping the movement of our forwards. We are suffering as we did with LVG in that there is no one running past their back line. We are too slow in moving the ball forward and when the forwards to turn on the speed, no one in midfield is anywhere near them, so the attack breaksdown.
Matic looks in need of a rest, he has too much to do in a 2 man midfield, he needs a third midfielder to help out. He tires very early in the second half and gets caught on the ball.
Valencia and Young exposed as no one covers when they go forward. Smalling has such low confidence, his passing is embarrassing for a pro.
Rashford also needs a rest, very poor decision making and always looks as though he is at 70% fitness level.
Brighton played as they have done in previous games, look very comfortable on the ball and quick on the counter. Defended well to keep Martial quiet.
3 points, and other results went our way. Going to be close matches away to Watford and Arsenal. can see us being very defensive in both games.
Matic looks in need of a rest, he has too much to do in a 2 man midfield, he needs a third midfielder to help out. He tires very early in the second half and gets caught on the ball.
Valencia and Young exposed as no one covers when they go forward. Smalling has such low confidence, his passing is embarrassing for a pro.
Rashford also needs a rest, very poor decision making and always looks as though he is at 70% fitness level.
Brighton played as they have done in previous games, look very comfortable on the ball and quick on the counter. Defended well to keep Martial quiet.
3 points, and other results went our way. Going to be close matches away to Watford and Arsenal. can see us being very defensive in both games.
Couldn't watch the game today, but seems it was a real slog and one we eeked out.
Not a disaster, it happens. It was only last season where we were drawing tonnes of games at home. This season we're seeing them through.
3 of our rivals have dropped 2 points today, every chance Arsenal do too. So it's a good weekend all in.
Certainly need a better performance midweek though, or we could easily get turned over
Not a disaster, it happens. It was only last season where we were drawing tonnes of games at home. This season we're seeing them through.
3 of our rivals have dropped 2 points today, every chance Arsenal do too. So it's a good weekend all in.
Certainly need a better performance midweek though, or we could easily get turned over
Our attacking players (Martial, Lukaku, Rashford) fall below the other top teams. Needs improvement.
One week is like 7 days which is like 168 hours which is like 4032 minutes which is like 241920 seconds. Thats a long time ago.
I agree that our board made a big mistake by not planning properly for SAF's retirement. But at the moment they decided to fire LVG, Mourinho was the best option available and it was the most sensible thing to do at that time.
Yeh it was the best thing to do, but its a bit like making the right decision just after you've ran a red light and caused a car crash
It makes perfect sense.
LVG was unable to win much and in his 2nd season, he seemed to be proclaiming that his team were playing fantastic attacking football, but the reality was that he was boring.
He also finished 4th and 5th. No good.
Jose, arguably the best manager in the World, when using results as a barometer, was available and wanting to mange us.
Jose to Utd was a no-brainer. He would come and guarantee us trophies.
But has he?
Well, in his first season he got 2 trophies.
In his second season, he has us in second place, behind a MCFC side which is flying and we are still in all competitions.
Jose is delivering exactly as advertised.
As for the people who want Jose out ...
We definitely need a star quality attacker in that front 4.
Eh? Our goal was totally flukey - the goal itself was a deflection, Lukaku fouled someone at the near post, and it probably shouldn't have even been a corner which lead to the goal.Sky Sports reporting is a joke though,the app has "Utd score fluke goal" when its quite clearly a bloody deflection while the Chelsea headline is "Willian grabs a point" yet his goal was a complete fluke.
Contrast that to an 85 minute equaliser against Liverpool at Anfield.
Yeah today was awful. I was there and am half way through my journey home as i write this. But haven't we got a significantly better goal difference than anyone other than city? And they're about to break the record for the best start to a season ever so they're better than any ferguson aide by this point in the season as well.
We're not perfect but we're 2nd, about as good as we can hope for this year. We've also scored 4 goals in a game 8 times this season. We're not going to be great every game, no team is. I'd like to know how many fergie teams had this goal difference at this stage in the season.
Balance init
Cos scoring a fluke goal late on at Anfield is impossible?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said.
Glad we're on level terms regarding your argumentation skills.
Our goal was a deflection. Willians is a cross which turned in to a goal which is a lot more of a fluke. (As well as being pretty amusing to deny Liverpool the win and it will remind Liverpool fans of the Slippy G game).
I don't know there's just something about the headline that annoys me. Similar goals are scored across the country every weekend and they aren't reported as flukes. Flukes to me are goalkeepers scoring from kick outs or something like Tevezs back heel in the Carling Cup semi a few years ago.
Be positive people only 5 points behind Man City. Hopefully Huddersfield can do something fingers crossed .
.Not at all. If results tank then he would be gone.
But you are calling for his head after a win. Without any alternatives. Just because you don't like the football.
United have never been run that way. We are not Real Madrid.
They will bend over.Be positive people only 5 points behind Man City. Hopefully Huddersfield can do something fingers crossed
I hope they go down.
Either the club should get better fans or players should be robots tuned to the maximum level. At least the constant moaning would stop...
The following players need a rest of at least two games:
- Lukaku
- Rashford
- Matic
- Valencia
That leaves Mata, Mhki, Lingard and Martial as our main attacking threats.
"Biggest club in the world"
Yeah
Cos scoring a fluke goal late on at Anfield is impossible?
Sheaseh fecking GET IN
Feck this season, we'll always have Anfield '07 lads!
@TheOrgazoid
Did you just contrive a scenario where we rest 7 starting players...for no reason...just to sneer at the 4 thats left?
Thats fantastic stuff.
Did you just contrive a scenario where we rest 7 starting players...for no reason...just to sneer at the 4 thats left?
Thats fantastic stuff.
There is a lot of moaning on here unfortunately.
And it seems that when we win, the moanometer increases.
Win, lose or draw - the moaners will continue to moan. Imagine living with these people.
2+2 is 4 - 1 that's 3 quick maffs.
Therefore, 3 points. Moving now.
Therefore, 3 points. Moving now.
Hehe, nothing short of hell. I think the unreal expectations get to most fans, before the match the majority was expecting a thrashing. Did not happen and all of a sudden we need a new manager, attacking coach, players and what not.There is a lot of moaning on here unfortunately.
And it seems that when we win, the moanometer increases.
Win, lose or draw - the moaners will continue to moan. Imagine living with these people.
No
I genuinely think that those four should be rested, for the longer term good of their performances for us this season.
That's not "no reason".
The three I mentioned definitely should be eased, not rushed, back into the fold to protect them from injury.
That's not "no reason", either.
The fact that the remaining players are a bit shit is... it's the way it is.
We may as well laugh about it because there is not much else to say about it.
Hundreds of millions spent. All the best players playing against Brighton.
And we get that... may as well just laugh it off.
Sky Sports reporting is a joke though,the app has "Utd score fluke goal" when its quite clearly a bloody deflection while the Chelsea headline is "Willian grabs a point" yet his goal was a complete fluke.
Funnily enough they’ve changed it now to “Man Utd extend perfect home run”.
Our expressive players are not afforded the same freedom as expressive players at other top teams.
Martial has all the talent in the world and has been reduced to fighting for his place for most of Mourinho's tenure; the implication being he needs to work harder off the ball. The expectations are very different and has even filtered through to some sections of the support at times if a player is deemed not to track back to a sufficient standard. It's barmy.
Salah's success isn't because of Klopp but it certainly helps that he's well suited to his fast, high intensity system - just as it does with Mane and Firmino.
Mourinho chose Willian over Salah at Chelsea and I'm sure he would again now. His preference for the industrious types trump flamboyance.
@TheOrgazoid
Of course its for no reason, half of todays side didn't even play midweek, 5 or 6 of them have had little football this year.
Hell Martial and Rashford have been playing 1 week and ended up the bench for the next.
Sometimes sides just underperform, suddenly dropping them and blaming mass fatigue in November doesn't make sense.
Of course its for no reason, half of todays side didn't even play midweek, 5 or 6 of them have had little football this year.
Hell Martial and Rashford have been playing 1 week and ended up the bench for the next.
Sometimes sides just underperform, suddenly dropping them and blaming mass fatigue in November doesn't make sense.
Cos scoring a fluke goal late on at Anfield is impossible?
What was flukey about this goal? It was a free kick that was tough to hold on to and a simple finish for O'Shea
Never underestimate the power of the Caf.
The alternative would be to state that Martial, Lukaku and Rashford are pretty ordinary.
I know that Lukaku isn't, so his is probably fatigue.
The other two? I'm more unsure about them both every time I see them.
Almost the same level as your comprehension skills, it seems.
Purely subjective as this is based on individual observations. Martial's output has been better than last season, and it is only November. Certain aspects of his game are not yet well-developed, but he's young and at the moment, is playing as we expect him to. We shouldn't be putting pressure on him to be the game-changer yet, that should come in a couple of seasons.
Firstly, I have watched a bit of Liverpool this season and they are not even playing a fast, high intensity system this season. For some reason, Klopp has put the brakes on his harem-scarem pressing.
Secondly, if a winger is fast and scores goals, he is suited to any system - counter-attacking, defensive or high-intensity pressing. A winger is not some specialist position like midfield, where you have a ball-winner (more suited to a defensive system like Conte's) or a deep-lying playmaker (better suited to ours). The only system which might require something more from a winger besides pace and goals is possession based system, where an obsessive coach like LvG or Guardiola might not want their players giving the ball away.
Simply put, he's a winger who is fast and scores goals. Any manager would happily take him or Mane, it has nothing to do with any system.
Btw, Mourinho makes mistakes, but there's no doubt he would have Salah or De Bruyne now. His weakness is a liking for players who follow instructions to a tee. The likes of Fellaini, Willian and Lingard do that, which explains it more than his preference for a type of winger.
The following players need a rest of at least two games:
Pogba, Rojo and Zlatan don't need to be rested but do need to continue to be eased back in.
- Lukaku
- Rashford
- Matic
- Valencia
That leaves Mata, Mhki, Lingard and Martial as our main attacking threats.
"Biggest club in the world"
Yeah
- Matic does need a rest- he has been holding up this team all season.
- Lukaku does need a rest.....or more accurately to be dropped
- Rashford has hardly played a full game all year and has been alternating regularly with Martial.It is inconsistency and not fatigue that has been the issue.
- Valencia- is it likely that rest will improve his crossing?
Matic and Rom, we agree on.
Valencia? The rest will do nothing for his crossing but will give a chance from him to rest his knee, which I assume is contributing to his relatively poor movement.
Martial and Rashford should be coming into games and at least showing glimpses.
They should be running past players at ease, with only a final ball or vital decision making needing improvement.
They both look way off even the first, let alone the second or third.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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22%
Victor Lindelof
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5%
Paul Pogba
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2%
Nemanja Matic
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1%
Romelu Lukaku
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1%
Antonio Valencia
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1%
Chris Smalling
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1%
David de Gea
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1%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 407 ratings.
Score Predictions
470,20,15
- Man Utd win
- Brighton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 30% Man Utd 3:0 Brighton
- 25% Man Utd 4:0 Brighton
- 18% Man Utd 2:0 Brighton
- 10% Man Utd 5:0 Brighton
- 4% Man Utd 3:1 Brighton
- 3% Man Utd 1:0 Brighton
- 2% Man Utd 2:1 Brighton
- 2% Man Utd 0:5 Brighton
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Brighton
- 1% Man Utd 1:1 Brighton
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Brighton
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Brighton
- 1% Man Utd 0:2 Brighton
- 1% Man Utd 5:1 Brighton
- 0% Man Utd 0:3 Brighton
- 0% Man Utd 2:2 Brighton
- 0% Man Utd 1:3 Brighton
- 0% Man Utd 2:4 Brighton
- 0% Man Utd 5:2 Brighton
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Brighton
- Possession
- 58% 42%
- Shots
- 15 8
- Shots on Target
- 4 2
- Corners
- 5 0
- Fouls
- 9 9
Referee
Neil Swarbrick
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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replaced by Marouane Fellaini
