I'm not saying galactico players, its smart signings but we need like 5 anyways. And just because it didn't quite work out last summer, doesn't mean it doesn't work in the long run. Our team is better, the signings have all improved the team apart from falcao, who is a loan. Di maria was a big chunk of our spending but he has been poor for like 6 months now so that's why we haven't been as great going forward. Just because he had a tough season doesn't mean Depay or whatever other winger we get will.
PL W FA Premier League
Crystal Palace 1:2 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sat, 09 May 2015
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Shows how far we had fallen... Celebrating the 4th placed trophyMe too
Getting straight back into the CL is so fecking important you won't believe it! Missing out again could have killed us for the next couple of years.
It was a scrappy match and the injuries to Rooney, Shaw and Smalling didn't help. Blind and Herrera could have done more in midfield to control the game.
Think it was Lee Dixon who said that in his opinion only De Gea and Rooney would get into the Chelsea side. Even if he is slightly off, it is a telling comment on how we have played this season.
Think it was Lee Dixon who said that in his opinion only De Gea and Rooney would get into the Chelsea side. Even if he is slightly off, it is a telling comment on how we have played this season.
Shite....Utter shite!!
The holes they had in their defensive line...Any other team, it could have been 6 -1
Relying on a keeper's mistake, at Palace is shocking.
With the exception of De Gea, Herrera and Young, we were awful....Even Mata was going around giving away stupid fouls. Mindless
Passing sideways, going nowhere, everyone afraid to take responsibility....Dare I ask but, how long is Smalling out for?
The holes they had in their defensive line...Any other team, it could have been 6 -1
Relying on a keeper's mistake, at Palace is shocking.
With the exception of De Gea, Herrera and Young, we were awful....Even Mata was going around giving away stupid fouls. Mindless
Passing sideways, going nowhere, everyone afraid to take responsibility....Dare I ask but, how long is Smalling out for?
Noticed a couple of occasions where Ashley could of slotted easy crosses to Falcao but chose otherwise 
I think everyone would have taken 3 points and a horrible performance before the game.
Our worst performance in the last 4 games (relatively against the quality of opposition) but our best result. That's football
At this point of the season, 3 points is important. Let's regroup in the summer with a few signings and get a good pre season. Di Maria, Shaw and to a certain extent Van Persie, all of them look jaded and spent after the World Cup
I will take any win at this stage regardless how we obtain it. Once Chelsea gets some form of result tomorrow we will be all clear
I find for the whole season there has been a reluctance to pass the ball to both Falcao and RVP. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist but it was I have noticed.Noticed a couple of occasions where Ashley could of slotted easy crosses to Falcao but chose otherwise
Personally i think both stretch defenders and make room for the players behind them which is often a easier ball. Regardless to say i think its a tactic LvG uses rather than the players opting to do it
Did anyone else think we'd get beat as soon as Palace equalised?
4th place next season would have me fuming, but this was a one off. We absolutely couldn't miss out again.
I think of the long list of games we've somehow won this season despite being utterly shite, this was probably the worst. Some things:
Why were we playing 50 yard sideways hoofs to Valencia, where he'd have to then win a header against an opponent? The whole point of hoofing the ball is that it gets it forwards...we can't even deploy the thickest tactic in football without somehow making it much more thick.
Manchester United logic - Player starts limping when you've used all your subs...have them come sit on the bench and play with ten men. Player starts limping when you still have subs left...leave them on the pitch doing absolutely nothing for half an hour.
Did Ashley Young play well or was it just that Palace's right back was really, really bad? There were two occasions Young could have played Falcao in for a tap in but chose not to. And both of the goals he set up were at least 95% down to Palace players being overcome with the urge to cost their team a goal.
Why does Blind play in midfield by standing behind his own centrebacks when we have possession? If he's too scared to take the ball in the middle of the pitch, it's completely useless playing him there. He does this every time he plays there and every time it results in us being pushed back and under pressure in the second half. Why can't Van Gaal see this when it's so very fecking obvious?
When was the last time Johnny Evans did anything that didn't make him look like the scared bullied kid who'd been forced to join in a P.E. session because he forgot his excuse note? He is genuinely pathetic at times. McNair isn't much better but at least he's got the excuse of being a kid that's been thrown in.
Why were we playing 50 yard sideways hoofs to Valencia, where he'd have to then win a header against an opponent? The whole point of hoofing the ball is that it gets it forwards...we can't even deploy the thickest tactic in football without somehow making it much more thick.
Manchester United logic - Player starts limping when you've used all your subs...have them come sit on the bench and play with ten men. Player starts limping when you still have subs left...leave them on the pitch doing absolutely nothing for half an hour.
Did Ashley Young play well or was it just that Palace's right back was really, really bad? There were two occasions Young could have played Falcao in for a tap in but chose not to. And both of the goals he set up were at least 95% down to Palace players being overcome with the urge to cost their team a goal.
Why does Blind play in midfield by standing behind his own centrebacks when we have possession? If he's too scared to take the ball in the middle of the pitch, it's completely useless playing him there. He does this every time he plays there and every time it results in us being pushed back and under pressure in the second half. Why can't Van Gaal see this when it's so very fecking obvious?
When was the last time Johnny Evans did anything that didn't make him look like the scared bullied kid who'd been forced to join in a P.E. session because he forgot his excuse note? He is genuinely pathetic at times. McNair isn't much better but at least he's got the excuse of being a kid that's been thrown in.
Evans hasn't been the same since he got married
Helen's ball busting has destroyed his form
Take note singletons
Helen's ball busting has destroyed his form
Take note singletons
When we go behind or the opponents equalise there is a noticeable sag in the players shoulders. We no longer have that spark to want immediate revenge fuelled by a fuming Fergie on the sidelines. We look very tame and teams like Everton have taken advantage. The Problem has kept resurfacing throughout the season highlighting our inconsistencies.
For me all these problems point at the defence, which was particularly weak yesterday. For all De Gea's great efforts even he loses his rag with the defenders. Yesterday was skin of the teeth stuff. I don't think our defence can last much longer without a solid and powerful CB to hold it all together. We need that because Smallimg isn't it. Smalling needs a leader, but he is potentially a great second man. Shaw is both injury prone and a bit of a lightweight. It's difficult to judge his future because of his injures etc. Tony V is not a natural defender and it shows. He's made a few errors this season but has also saved us a few times. I would like to see Rafa back.
Evans under Fergie was potentially a great defender. Under Moyes he was average. Under LVG he looks all over the place. Has to be one of the mysteries of the last two seasons. Jones is a bull in a China shop defender. Another good second man CB but not the player to build the defence around. Serious head down stuff but not a game reader. The young lads have not done too badly but don't look as if they have grown into first team capability. I think McNair is more a defensive midfielder than a defender. His central defending skills look woeful at times.
I thought Ander and Juan were pretty solid again yesterday. With a good central midfielder we could have the midfield sown up. Blind was in midfield but lacks discipline, moving too far forward and not getting back. This season his best performances have been as a fullback - no surprise there.
Fellaini for me isn't a striker. He got the goal in a lucky moment but most of the game he was getting penalised simply for moving against dwarves, and bashing their ears with his elbows. He was plan B when all else failed, I'm not convinced he's plan A material. Once Rooney was injured we looked even more unbalanced. When the Falcon came on he did some good work up front holding the ball and play. I think his efforts would have shone further if the defence hadn't been so poor.
In the end we somehow weathered the Palace storm but with yet more injuries. De Gea saved us again, Mata was cool under the spotlight, and Fellaini got the winner in a day of calamity goals. We rode our luck once again, can't keep doing this!
For me all these problems point at the defence, which was particularly weak yesterday. For all De Gea's great efforts even he loses his rag with the defenders. Yesterday was skin of the teeth stuff. I don't think our defence can last much longer without a solid and powerful CB to hold it all together. We need that because Smallimg isn't it. Smalling needs a leader, but he is potentially a great second man. Shaw is both injury prone and a bit of a lightweight. It's difficult to judge his future because of his injures etc. Tony V is not a natural defender and it shows. He's made a few errors this season but has also saved us a few times. I would like to see Rafa back.
Evans under Fergie was potentially a great defender. Under Moyes he was average. Under LVG he looks all over the place. Has to be one of the mysteries of the last two seasons. Jones is a bull in a China shop defender. Another good second man CB but not the player to build the defence around. Serious head down stuff but not a game reader. The young lads have not done too badly but don't look as if they have grown into first team capability. I think McNair is more a defensive midfielder than a defender. His central defending skills look woeful at times.
I thought Ander and Juan were pretty solid again yesterday. With a good central midfielder we could have the midfield sown up. Blind was in midfield but lacks discipline, moving too far forward and not getting back. This season his best performances have been as a fullback - no surprise there.
Fellaini for me isn't a striker. He got the goal in a lucky moment but most of the game he was getting penalised simply for moving against dwarves, and bashing their ears with his elbows. He was plan B when all else failed, I'm not convinced he's plan A material. Once Rooney was injured we looked even more unbalanced. When the Falcon came on he did some good work up front holding the ball and play. I think his efforts would have shone further if the defence hadn't been so poor.
In the end we somehow weathered the Palace storm but with yet more injuries. De Gea saved us again, Mata was cool under the spotlight, and Fellaini got the winner in a day of calamity goals. We rode our luck once again, can't keep doing this!
I certainly did, we got let off big time. If we play like that against Arsenal we'll get battered.
We aren't the only team whose shoulders sag if things start going wrong. What we need is a leader who will rally the troops. Rooney definitely isn't that, when things go wrong Wayne has a tendency to just run around and chase after the referee every five minutes. Smalling definitely isn't that type either. That's where players like Robbo, Steve Bruce and Roy Keane were so valuable.
No. It was shite, yes, but not the keep-the-ball-and-do-nothing-with-it shite. CP were going for our throat and injuries messed up our play. Overall a weird game.
The best tasting 3 points in a long time.
Agreed. Problem is if we find that player does Wazza remain as captain?
The injuries before and during the game really disrupted our game. I would not be debating the strength of our first 11 so much as the depth of the squad. We don't have a Carrick backup. Our defensive replacements are injury prone and at times we are down to the bare bones. We don't know who had been affected by the virus and if it sapped their energy levels. I am just happy we broke the losing/not scoring streak and got the 3 points.
That decision will show if LvG is as ruthless as he says he is. Wayne won't be the first player to have a captaincy taken off him. If he can persuade him that it will help him concentrate on his scoring then he might manage it. If Wayne throws his toys out of the pram then it is all about him and his image and not the team.
Agree with most of you comments and have been banging on about missing crucial players all season. Not sure about the virus issue they all seemed to be running around, just wasn't always in the way it was required. The squad depth is a serious issue, can no longer justify a small squad even without the CL. We may have to bring some of the loans back or at least replace them next season.
Wazza is volatile but has he learned to control himself?
I thought I was the only one who felt Young was poor apart from the second assist. Just before that he got a great chance to play a simple pull back to Falcao for a great chance and he just skied it. He lost the ball a couple of times in dangerous places and he seemed to be reverting to his usual, dummying in and out and then passing the ball back.
Dont get why most complain.
We won ugly with luck and bad football. Just like we did under SAF a milion times.
Nobody complained about it back then.
We won ugly with luck and bad football. Just like we did under SAF a milion times.
Nobody complained about it back then.
At this stage of the season I just want to win. No matter how.
Not really though. It's understandable that people complain because every single of our players turned into shit for some reason in last 3-4 matches and it's a worry, hopefully Chelsea will do their job today so we don't have to bite our fecking nails.
And I guess that everybody's happy that we've won as well.
Really? At times OT was full of mass murmuring over poor results and the need to buy players. After 2008 it was a regular issue especially when we scraped a win. Fans in the Stretty were often bitching and moaning.
Except we didn't or not enough and of quality. That is why we have such a task now to get the squad up to the necessary standard. It was always going to take time, but the job should have been started years ago.
a) Yes they did. A lot
b) Wining ugly to stay top of the league isn't quite the same as winning ugly to escape a fourth defeat in a row in a struggle to cling on to 4th place.
c) I think it's entirely possible we've won more games "ugly" this season than in Fergie's last 10 seasons combined. It has become our standard level of performance. The exception is now when we play well, rather than vice versa.
This is like a broken record but I agree with you again. I go back to 2008 as our problem year. I still think if we had lost to Chelski we would have seen extensive team rebuilding. Winning made it easier for us to sit back and by 2012 it was too late, we now reap that whirlwind.
I suspect them in charge wanted us to tighten the purse strings which resulted in our current problems. It's a travesty that our last European Cup winning side entered a state of decline due to budget signings. Playing catching up eh? That's not coming cheap is it. But yeah two season of the most boring brand of football I've witnessed at Old Trafford, at least Big Ron's teams could be exciting to watch.
This is pure bs. The football we played this season was some of the best of the past 7 years. And that says a lot since most matches were still pretty bad.
The last SAF 5-6 years under SAF (with the exception of like 3-4 months in 2012 i think) was an absolute nightmare football wise, result wise it was like always phenomenal.
The amount of times i was ashamed to win and celebrate a victory...oh dear. There was no difference in how Chelsea wins titles, and how we did back then. Glad as feck we are now aiming to atleast play good football. And i happily watch us fail and learn for another year if thats what is needed.
I think it was Fergie. He adopted a budget approach because we had so dominated the EPL. 2012 was a shock and he responded with the RVP deal but by then it was too late, even though we won the league. The depth of problems emerged after he retired.
I said that at the time ( and I seem to recall that you did too). I thought that Fergie's hands were tied by the debt and that's why we were shopping in the bargain basement. Many were complaining that the Ronaldo fee was going to pay off the debt and not reinforce the team. Don't suppose we'll ever know because Fergie won't say.
I don't agree. Fergie wanted at least one more European Cup. I thought that after Rome, he'd demand a big transfer kitty but that never transpired and we lost another final that we might have won had he strengthened the side. Water under the bridge now but the rebuilding job now in progress illustrates to me that Fergie had to make do and mend.
Thats a fair point mate and either way the opinions are loaded with assumptions. I base my opinion on how quickly he moved for RVP after the 2011-12 season and the money that was found.
Another good point. I still feel Fergie was riding on the back of the 2008 success. Maybe he was balancing between budgets and past glory. As you say we may never know.
the business model the Glazers wanted to have in place took time. We are now in a position to buy anyone we want.
Is that down to the Glazers or Woody?
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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39%
Ashley Young
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2%
Juan Mata
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2%
Marouane Fellaini
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1%
Ander Herrera
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1%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Phil Jones
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 532 ratings.
Score Predictions
346,129,99
- Man Utd win
- Crystal Palace win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 18% Crystal Palace 1:2 Man Utd
- 15% Crystal Palace 0:2 Man Utd
- 12% Crystal Palace 1:1 Man Utd
- 7% Crystal Palace 2:0 Man Utd
- 7% Crystal Palace 1:3 Man Utd
- 7% Crystal Palace 0:1 Man Utd
- 6% Crystal Palace 1:0 Man Utd
- 5% Crystal Palace 0:3 Man Utd
- 5% Crystal Palace 2:1 Man Utd
- 3% Crystal Palace 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Crystal Palace 0:4 Man Utd
- 2% Crystal Palace 3:0 Man Utd
- 2% Crystal Palace 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Crystal Palace 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Crystal Palace 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Crystal Palace 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Crystal Palace 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Crystal Palace 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 3:4 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 3:5 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Crystal Palace 2:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Crystal Palace
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 37% 63%
- Shots
- 13 13
- Shots on Target
- 4 4
- Corners
- 7 6
- Fouls
- 13 12
Referee
Michael Oliver
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Jonny Evans
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replaced by Radamel Falcao
