hey...I'm just hoping this late goal is a stepping stone to us clicking as a team mentally......honestly.....I feel it....my grandmothers tea leaves said so.....
PL W FA Premier League
Newcastle United 0:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Wed, 04 March 2015
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As do I. We play better against teams who come out of their own half. Newcastle had a flat 4 with 3 sitting in front of it today.
Not to mention Carrick is back.
Is he saying 'Wait, wait!' to Giggsy?
Maybe Giggsy was pushing for subs sooner but Van Gaal was told him to be patient, as seen by Mata coming on so late. We got lucky though, defensive error gifted us the three points, LVG can't take credit for anything there.
super weird reaction from Giggs there.
It's like he's a sulky kid being told off by Van Gaal, that his way was right after all!
what was Van Gaal saying..."wait wait"....lip readers please...although I know it's hard with his English...
People saying smash and grab are well wide of the mark.
It wasn't vintage but we were totally dominant. If they'd nicked one, yes, smash and grab, but we deserved to win on balance of play.
We are lacking penetration but created enough to win the game. Rooney had a good goal chalked off and there were a few gilt-edged chances - Rooney, Fellaini (x2), Young.
It wasn't vintage but we were totally dominant. If they'd nicked one, yes, smash and grab, but we deserved to win on balance of play.
We are lacking penetration but created enough to win the game. Rooney had a good goal chalked off and there were a few gilt-edged chances - Rooney, Fellaini (x2), Young.
Deserved. Should be scoring much more though against a poor side like Newcastle. We are just extremely sloppy in the final third.
Maybe he was advising to bring on Falcao when Carrick came on
We forced the error though.
'Philosophy, philosophy!'
That was the best performance from us since the first few games at the begining of the season. Yes its not great but it was certainly a lot better.
There were still some dodgy performances on the pitch but overall it was better.
There were still some dodgy performances on the pitch but overall it was better.
I was surprised that di Maria went off for Januzaj. Yes, he was sloppy, but he was our main source of chances with Young being poor in that regard today. Young may have scored the goal, but going forward, Newcastle contained him easily, and we had a tough time creating chances on the left. Januzaj should have come on for Young instead of di Maria, but Young did score the winner, so whatever.
Fellaini should have went off sooner. He was slow and ponderous on the ball, and he made it a 2 vs. 3 battle in midfield for much of the match. Yes, he did get into good positions in the box and had a couple of good chances, but with us having no one creating through the middle, he should have at least kept it a 3 vs. 3 in midfield rather than continuously go up to the Newcastle's defensive line. I was glad that Rooney adapted to that situation and dropped back whenever Blind or Herrera needed someone in the middle to pass to, but he should have done this more often for us to really disorganise their defence.
Other than that, though, Rooney did quite well up front, I feel. His movement, energy, and touches weren't too shabby. He adapted quite well to the situations, and he made it tough for both of Newcastle's defenders. He's looked sharper than he's ever been as a lone striker, which surprised me somewhat given that he's often performed poorly in that role for the past couple of seasons. He should have had a goal this match for all of the good work he put in up front.
Defensively, we were okay, though Newcastle got most of their chances through our sloppiness. Rojo had a really tough time against Obertan in the air, which is worrying as he appeared to have improved in dealing with aerial challenges. Valencia was very slow and ponderous going forward, whilst Rojo was a threat on the attack with some fine deliveries.
It still really irks me how van Gaal doesn't play a creative #10 for us. It really goes against his philosophy. This match was perfect for Mata as we needed an attacking midfielder to create chances. Having Fellaini in there meant that we had no penetration in the middle other than via di Maria. Other than that, we were quite sloppy, overall, which made it tougher for us to get the victory.
I'm quite relieved we got the 3 points we deserved. We had some very good chances to get a goal, but Krul had a decent match, and we didn't capitalise on the chances we had. There is some promise to our attacking game, but we need to have someone creating chances through the middle. It isn't enough that we only have wingers creating chances whilst building up too slowly for such an approach. This side is crying out for Mata to play behind a striker at the moment. We cannot sacrifice creativity for physicality.
Fellaini should have went off sooner. He was slow and ponderous on the ball, and he made it a 2 vs. 3 battle in midfield for much of the match. Yes, he did get into good positions in the box and had a couple of good chances, but with us having no one creating through the middle, he should have at least kept it a 3 vs. 3 in midfield rather than continuously go up to the Newcastle's defensive line. I was glad that Rooney adapted to that situation and dropped back whenever Blind or Herrera needed someone in the middle to pass to, but he should have done this more often for us to really disorganise their defence.
Other than that, though, Rooney did quite well up front, I feel. His movement, energy, and touches weren't too shabby. He adapted quite well to the situations, and he made it tough for both of Newcastle's defenders. He's looked sharper than he's ever been as a lone striker, which surprised me somewhat given that he's often performed poorly in that role for the past couple of seasons. He should have had a goal this match for all of the good work he put in up front.
Defensively, we were okay, though Newcastle got most of their chances through our sloppiness. Rojo had a really tough time against Obertan in the air, which is worrying as he appeared to have improved in dealing with aerial challenges. Valencia was very slow and ponderous going forward, whilst Rojo was a threat on the attack with some fine deliveries.
It still really irks me how van Gaal doesn't play a creative #10 for us. It really goes against his philosophy. This match was perfect for Mata as we needed an attacking midfielder to create chances. Having Fellaini in there meant that we had no penetration in the middle other than via di Maria. Other than that, we were quite sloppy, overall, which made it tougher for us to get the victory.
I'm quite relieved we got the 3 points we deserved. We had some very good chances to get a goal, but Krul had a decent match, and we didn't capitalise on the chances we had. There is some promise to our attacking game, but we need to have someone creating chances through the middle. It isn't enough that we only have wingers creating chances whilst building up too slowly for such an approach. This side is crying out for Mata to play behind a striker at the moment. We cannot sacrifice creativity for physicality.
Wow Macca being positive in post match about the performance on BT Sport
Who knows, would certainly be worrying if you're right.
I am just at a loss. How can LVG not see a team *still* misfiring in March. Arguably we are getting duller as the season progresses.
At this point I certainly do not get his "philosophy"
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At this point I certainly do not get his "philosophy"
.Mixed feelings again. It's a good result and another cause the players would have given up on last year. Still not enough about the performance to offer much hope of hanging on to a top four place, though.
Agreed. I'm surprised by a lot of the moans on here. Maybe that's because I didn't follow the match day thread. it tends to be a pretty depressed place.
Carrick will improve our passing immeasurably
bring on the Gooners
bring on the Gooners
We deserved the win and important 3 points but our attacking play is just soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad !
We same to defend as a team, we same to be able to dominate possession by circulating the ball well in the team but we fail every single match to attack as a team. There is no creativity, no tempo in our attacks, no intelligent movements from our attackers or midfielders. There are short moments of 5 or 10 minutes where our players seem to realize they need to put more pressure to try and force an opening and our tempo quickens, we pressure the other team and get some chances but none of them are dangerous enough to really command a goal. That leaves set pieces but we are horrible at corners, not great at free kicks and due to our players never infiltrating in the box we rarely get a penalty. Another option we try is to get the ball to the wings and cross to Fellaini or Rooney and hope something comes from that, but our crosses are not good enough and we don't get the ball quick enough into position which makes it easy to defend. Counter attacks almost never happen because we waste the majority of ball possession passing side ways on the midfield allowing the other team to sit back infront of their goal and on the rare occassion that we can make a counter attack we are too slow and too sloppy to really create something from it. The only way we seem to manage to get a goal is to somehow try and force the other team into making a defensive mistake and capitalising on it. Which is exactly how most of our chances came to being in this game and it is exactly how we got our goal.
Something really needs to change, I just don't understand it. It is not the formation, it is not the individual quality of the players because a team with Januzaj, Rooney, Di Maria, Mata, Young, RVP, Falcao and te likes should have no problem playing attacking football and being dangerous infront of goal and Van Gaal is a renowed trainer for playing attractive attacking football, he is not a coach that has no idea on how to make him team better at attacking. Sure he has forced the players to take it down a notch and play more safe so we don't concede easy goals anymore but it is really becoming high time that we start focussing on fixing our attacking issues because we are not going to get points against the really good teams playing like this and we have quite a couple to come in the next games.
We same to defend as a team, we same to be able to dominate possession by circulating the ball well in the team but we fail every single match to attack as a team. There is no creativity, no tempo in our attacks, no intelligent movements from our attackers or midfielders. There are short moments of 5 or 10 minutes where our players seem to realize they need to put more pressure to try and force an opening and our tempo quickens, we pressure the other team and get some chances but none of them are dangerous enough to really command a goal. That leaves set pieces but we are horrible at corners, not great at free kicks and due to our players never infiltrating in the box we rarely get a penalty. Another option we try is to get the ball to the wings and cross to Fellaini or Rooney and hope something comes from that, but our crosses are not good enough and we don't get the ball quick enough into position which makes it easy to defend. Counter attacks almost never happen because we waste the majority of ball possession passing side ways on the midfield allowing the other team to sit back infront of their goal and on the rare occassion that we can make a counter attack we are too slow and too sloppy to really create something from it. The only way we seem to manage to get a goal is to somehow try and force the other team into making a defensive mistake and capitalising on it. Which is exactly how most of our chances came to being in this game and it is exactly how we got our goal.
Something really needs to change, I just don't understand it. It is not the formation, it is not the individual quality of the players because a team with Januzaj, Rooney, Di Maria, Mata, Young, RVP, Falcao and te likes should have no problem playing attacking football and being dangerous infront of goal and Van Gaal is a renowed trainer for playing attractive attacking football, he is not a coach that has no idea on how to make him team better at attacking. Sure he has forced the players to take it down a notch and play more safe so we don't concede easy goals anymore but it is really becoming high time that we start focussing on fixing our attacking issues because we are not going to get points against the really good teams playing like this and we have quite a couple to come in the next games.
Sure but we didn't look like scoring in the last 10 minutes until then. We should have been bombarding them, laying siege to their goal and playing with much more urgency. We should have won comfortable over the 90 minutes but got out of jail in the end.
What's he saying?
I don't know what to think, I might have to watch the game once more. I thought we were the better team in first half and had better chances. Newcastle should have had a penalty, but I think Rooney's goal was wrongly disallowed. They had some good chances in second half.
All in all I think we’ve been a little lucky.
It wasn’t a bad performance I think, but Newcastle were awful. Di Maria form is worrying.
All in all I think we’ve been a little lucky.
It wasn’t a bad performance I think, but Newcastle were awful. Di Maria form is worrying.
looks like the relationship between LVG and Giggs is not so harmonius looking at that. The push on the cheek, from a body language point of view, is one of aggression and empowerment
We were far from great, yet again, but anyone who saw that game as a better one for Newcastle is watching life through a forcefield of tinted shite. We should've been 2 up in the first half alone.
Yeah, saw that. My best guess was they'd disagreed about something (perhaps Giggsy wanted to persevere with ADM) and LVG was trying to get him to admit he'd been vindicated, while Giggs wasn't gonna give him the pleasure.
It might be a sign of where we are at the moment, but I didn't think we were that bad tonight. De Gea kept us in it with a couple of great saves, but that's why you have a goalkeeper, so that's fair enough...We brought the ball out from defence, not to any great effect, but I thought Smalling did it better than Evans, who looks as jumpy as f**k on the ball. Some nice build up play and we dominated for most of the game, without creating anything too dramatic. Good win, 3 points.
Not a chance.
so how many games will Evans be banned for ?
I can see the media kicking up a shitstorm over the spitting.
I can see the media kicking up a shitstorm over the spitting.
completely agree with this.
Although he produced a poor cross at the end of the move, he got onto a long ball, obliterated the full back for pace, about a minute before he was taken off.
He's the main source of pace in the team.
However, we got away with it, rescued 2 extra points, which it's certain we'll need somewhere along the line!
10 games left. Gonna be tight.
Am I the only one who thinks that we did well today? Especially in the first half we created good chances but the finishing wasn't there. Second half we dropped off and didn't create much but it was not nearly as bad Saturday's game. Huge 3 points to keep us in the race for a spot.
It really does confuse me what Giggs thinks of LvG. Probably just a case of nothing and I'm reading too much into it/letting my personal bias seeping in but I do not think Giggs is enjoying it under LvG. The football is rubbish and it goes against almost everything Giggs was about. Still a good experience for Giggs and he needed a new perception of the game but he doesn't seem to be liking this at all.
His form before injury was poor as well so I am not too sure he will hit form right away
It's not the best, but we can deal with him getting a ban, we have enough cover.
The most pleasing aspect for me was a considerably better performance from Evans than his previous ones this season. Also, Rooney offers so much more upfront. Had it been RvP or Falcao there, it wouldn't have been a goal. RvP and Falcao are still important for us this season and may still score crucial goals, but today's front line, with Januzaj for AdM till AdM finds form and Mata for Fellaini can result in some sleek passing and movement.
Fouls were 6-14.. fecking baldie ref.. and yes, that was hate-speech..
Anyone see Van Gaals reaction to Giggsy? What was that all about 
On a more dim note, it seems none of our players really relish a physical battle which is annoying to watch. The only person up for it was Rooney as proven by the hustle on the goal in the dying minutes.
I still feel we deserved the win though.
On a more dim note, it seems none of our players really relish a physical battle which is annoying to watch. The only person up for it was Rooney as proven by the hustle on the goal in the dying minutes.
I still feel we deserved the win though.
In that clip, he looks well pleased, then the second Van Gaal looks at him his face turns to thunder.
I wonder if he feels his input is minimal
We are sooooo lethargic in attack away from home. Every game is the same.
At least we seem largely solid at the back these days. Certainly when you compare us to some of those defensive performances at the start of the season.
At least we seem largely solid at the back these days. Certainly when you compare us to some of those defensive performances at the start of the season.
I agree, watching it again , he clearly did spit at him, but was also spat back at, stupid from both players.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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21%
Wayne Rooney
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15%
Ashley Young
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2%
Ander Herrera
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2%
Daley Blind
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2%
Jonny Evans
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2%
Marouane Fellaini
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2%
Antonio Valencia
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1%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Marcos Rojo
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 486 ratings.
Score Predictions
394,51,102
- Man Utd win
- Newcastle win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 29% Newcastle 1:2 Man Utd
- 14% Newcastle 1:1 Man Utd
- 13% Newcastle 0:2 Man Utd
- 11% Newcastle 1:3 Man Utd
- 7% Newcastle 0:1 Man Utd
- 5% Newcastle 0:3 Man Utd
- 3% Newcastle 2:1 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 2:0 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 1:0 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Newcastle 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Newcastle 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Newcastle 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Newcastle 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 3:3 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 5:5 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 4:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Newcastle
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 32% 68%
- Shots
- 9 11
- Shots on Target
- 2 5
- Corners
- 4 1
- Fouls
- 6 14
Referee
Anthony Taylor
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Michael Carrick
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replaced by Adnan Januzaj
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replaced by Juan Mata
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