Question Time & This Week

Abbot's an utter car crash of a politician when she speaks.
 
Kaos said:
They're not responsible for the actions of a few abusive nutters. Besides Corbyn and Lucas are perhaps two of the most courteous and dignified politicians in the commons, that's alot more you can say that for horrible, obnoxious cnuts like Cameron or Nicky Morgan.
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It was an official statement made by Stop the War, not some random tweet.
 
Silva said:
You'd think decades of public speaks would bear their fruit, but there she is, completely shitting on that popular logic.
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Sometimes she's made points I can have reasonable agreement with as well, but she just has a way of speaking that makes her sound incredibly...unprofessional, if that's the right word. Kind of like she's always on some inane ramble or another, even when she knows exactly what she wants to say.
 
Diane Abbott needs to keep her hands under control. And her mouth.
 
I think we can all agree though Caroline Lucas is very good.
 
Was a good episode... getting a bit crap now. NHS is hugely important, but noting ever gets achieved when this issue is brought up.
 
Mispronounce it deliberately! Guy just stole the show. Jeremy cnut.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Corbyn and Lucas are leading figures in Stop The War, which has made statements sympathetic of terrorist acts in Iraq. McDonnell's sentiments toward the IRA are well enough known.

It's not the false courtesy which people are used to i grant, but Morgan can feel justified in saying what she has.
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Its not sympathy, its understanding why they attack and the origins of the conflict. You right wingers leave no room to think on this because terrorists in your world are motivated by everthing other then our actions
 
Mozza said:
Its not sympathy, its understanding why they attack and the origins of the conflict. You right wingers leave no room to think on this because terrorists in your world are motivated by everthing other then our actions
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Sorry, but saying Paris was the West "reaping" the results its own actions was a horrific thing to post, IMMEDIATELY after it had occurred as well, and I'm glad they abruptly took it down.
 
Should also say that Maajid Nawaz was excellent.
 
Ubik said:
Sorry, but saying Paris was the West "reaping" the results its own actions was a horrific thing to post, IMMEDIATELY after it had occurred as well, and I'm glad they abruptly took it down.
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Our actions over there will cause a reaction
 
Kaos said:
Which statement are you referring to?
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Their most notorious statement that i am personally aware of, which i have posted on here previously, is as follows:

“The StWC reaffirms its call for an end to the occupation, the return of all British troops in Iraq to this country and recognises once more the legitimacy of the struggle of Iraqis, by whatever means they find necessary, to secure such ends”. Statement issued by the officers of the Stop the war Coalition, signed by Lindsey German, Convenor, and Andrew Murray, Chair of the StWC.
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The aforementioned Andrew Murray, was Corbyn's successor when he stepped down as chairman in September.


Mozza said:
Its not sympathy, its understanding why they attack and the origins of the conflict. You right wingers leave no room to think on this because terrorists in your world are motivated by everthing other then our actions
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It damn-well was sympathy. likely borne out of the organisation's antipathy toward the West. Tracing this back to 2003 is small comfort to those suffering in the present i can assure you, what will you do for them?
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
It damn-well was sympathy. likely borne out of the organisation's antipathy toward the West. Tracing this back to 2003 is small comfort to those suffering in the present i can assure you, what will you do for them?
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Our misadventures in the middle east began well before 2003 and continue today. As for what I do now, I donate money when I can and vote for people who will hopefully not make the same mistakes again
 
Mozza said:
Our actions over there will cause a reaction
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If you're saying you agree with the StW post, then I can't even be bothered having this conversation.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Their most notorious statement that i am personally aware of, which i have posted on here previously, is as follows:
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So they're essentially saying that Iraqis had a right to defend their country against unwelcome occupiers. Hardly an endorsement of terrorism.
 
Kaos said:
So they're essentially saying that Iraqis had a right to defend their country against unwelcome occupiers. Hardly an endorsement of terrorism.
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Come off it. It's saying it's justified to blow up British soldiers. They're a disgusting organisation.
 
Ubik said:
Come off it. It's saying it's justified to blow up British soldiers. They're a disgusting organisation.
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If they phrased it as 'Iraqis have a right to blow up British soldiers' then yes it would have been in extremely poor taste, but instead they've made the more general endorsement of Iraqis having a right to defend their country from unwanted occupiers, which if we're being perfectly honest they did, as would any country.
 
Kaos said:
If they phrased it as 'Iraqis have a right to blow up British soldiers' then yes it would have been in extremely poor taste, but instead they've made the more general endorsement of Iraqis having a right to defend their country from unwanted occupiers, which if we're being perfectly honest they did, as would any country.
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"By whatever means they find necessary". Yeah, sure. Bunch of cnuts.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
On the contrary, it is you and Kaos who are being wilfully obtuse on the matter; a right pair of ostriches as Nigel Pearson would say.
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I'm not a politician, I don't have to trot out bullshit and pretend we have no role in causing the conflicts over there and over here
 
Since we're on a theme: in which Stop the War publish article saying it's Da'esh that are like Spanish civil war international brigades.

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http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/new...ins-syria-war-declaring-a-bogus-moral-purpose

And they have the audacity to accuse Benn of arguing in bad faith.
 
Worth a read

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hnic-minorities-bbc-diane-abbott-chuka-umunna

Not every white person thinks the same: Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, Nicola Sturgeon and Nick Griffin share not much more than a skin colour. There are class, gender, cultural, political, national and religious differences that are far more powerful than ethnic similarities.

Everyone, of course, realises this – not least the media. Watch a programme such as Question Time and you will see a wide range of white panellists representing the wide range of views that white people in the UK hold.

Why, then, is the same civility not extended to Britain’s ethnic minorities? Instead, the select few BAME (Black Asian minority ethnic) “representatives” are wheeled out again and again as if somehow they alone who speak for Britain’s 8.1 million ethnic minority citizens.

Here’s an open secret: they don’t. Political views are just as broad and diverse among people of colour as they are among white citizens. It is worrying that this still needs pointing out.

But if its political flagship show is anything to go by, the BBC doesn’t seem to understand this. The figures speak for themselves: since 2010, almost two-thirds of Question Time shows have featured all-white panels. In all of the episodes so far this year, just two black people have been panellists.

There is also a disturbing lack of diversity within the BAME guests that Question Time chooses to include. It is not acceptable to lump all black and brown people together as one “minority” group and think the job is done, without recognising the vast differences within Britain’s ethnic minority citizenry.

Clearly the BBC is failing to grasp this simple fact. Within the meagre 9.2% of Question Time slots filled by a BAME panellist, there is a staggering lack of diversity. Black women have appeared just 16 times in five years, and 12 of those appearances have been made by Diane Abbott. Another two appearances were by South African black female politicians during the Question Time South Africa special in 2013. Bonnie Greer has appeared twice. There are about 1 million black women in Britain.

Similarly, almost 50% of the appearances made by black men were by Chuka Umunna. Together, it means that just two people have filled well over half of the slots given to black guests since 2010. As talented as they are, Diane and Chuka cannot speak for the entirety of Britain’s diverse black communities, just as Alan Johnson and Caroline Flint should not have to be the sole voices of the white working-class.

There is a similar lack of diversity when it comes to guests of Asian heritage. Again, the same few names dominate: Mehdi Hasan and Baroness Warsi, for example, have filled almost a third of the guest slots filled by British Asians. Analysis of the available data shows that, of the 63 appearances made by British Asian guests, just four have been by people of Hindu heritage. That’s 0.3% of total guest slots – five times less than we should expect given the UK population is 1.5% Hindu. Britain’s half a million Sikhs are also woefully under-represented.

Question Time should not be an echo chamber for the same privileged, establishment voices while denying others the right to take part. As the state broadcaster, the BBC is funded by taxes from all of Britain’s communities. As things stand, too few of those communities are represented in the programmes these funds are spent on.

Some will say that none of this matters – that it is just another pointless, political-correctness-gone mad exercise in box-ticking. They will argue that someone’s skin colour or gender or class doesn’t matter as much as what they say. Except, it does.

Because for the millions of British people – black women, working-class men, Hindus, Sikhs, people with disabilities – who watch Question Time and note the dearth of people who look like them or reflect their views, it matters a lot. It sends a message that, to them, seems quite clear: this is Britain’s national debate, and it does not include people like you.

Question Time is the jewel in the BBC’s political crown. Watched by millions, its producers and directors have the power to determine who is allowed to take part in that all-important national political debate. With the power to support one voice comes a responsibility to ensure that others are not silenced. Yet this is what is happening, as Question Time executives use their power to perpetuate the small “chumocracy” of white, patrician, Oxbridge-educated men making the same arguments, and excluding other voices that deserve to be heard.

The BBC will no doubt claim the problem is really a lack of potential ethnic minority guests. That argument is downright wrong – and pretty offensive too. There are currently 42 BAME MPs in parliament, but just five have been on Question Time in the past 12 months. 15% of the new Labour MPs elected this year are ethnic minorities, and half of those are women, yet not one has been invited on to the show, while other new MPs have been.

What’s more, only three of the five slots on Question Time are filled by politicians. Can we accept that across journalism, sport, music, comedy, film, literature and business, the number of suitable ethnic minority and working-class representatives can be counted on one hand? Really?

Excuses are always made, and I’m sure they will be this time too. But there comes a point at which you have to stop defending the indefensible. This is not asking much of the BBC – it should simply start reflecting the communities that fund it.
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Mozza said:
He spouted his usual bollocks and as ever was an appologist for western action in the middle east. Its why the right wing love him
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Better than apologising for terrorism, I find.
 
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