At this stage everything is uncertain, if you want to blame someone how about a certain David Cameron.. I mean he was the one who promised an EU Referendum despite obviously doing no planning in the event that the people of the UK would choose to leave. Why did politicians in general not push for plans prior to the referendum in the event that we could leave? I tell you why, because many of them were arrogant and naive enough to think that they could just use scare tactics to frighten people into voting to remain, and it backfired horribly, so now we have to deal with this shitstorm in the best possible way we can.
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At this stage everything is uncertain, if you want to blame someone how about a certain David Cameron.. I mean he was the one who promised an EU Referendum despite obviously doing no planning in the event that the people of the UK would choose to leave. Why did politicians in general not push for plans prior to the referendum in the event that we could leave? I tell you why, because many of them were arrogant and naive enough to think that they could just use scare tactics to frighten people into voting to remain, and it backfired horribly, so now we have to deal with this shitstorm in the best possible way we can.
No, it is not down to the individual to have to selectively pick which member of the government they decide to believe. When a minister speaks on policy, they are speaking for the government, which is why they (used to at least) get fired when they said things that disagreed with government policy.
The entire messaging coming out from this shambles of a government has been contradictory, confused and deeply unhelpful to the 4 million people who are quite literally unsure whether they'll be allowed to stay in their homes and jobs in 2 years time. This might not be of any importance to you, but to some of us it actually really fecking matters.
Look as far as I'm concerned, the entire political system in this country is in the toilet, Politicians basically just say what they like. The opposition disagrees with an action or decision from the government but often fails to give a clear and coherent answer when asked, so what would you do? This period of uncertainty isn't helpful to anyone, which is exactly why there should have been a plan or a more detailed discussion prior the the referendum, which MP's voted on. Due to the fact that there wasn't people like yourself are understandably angry and concerned with what the future holds.
Yes, which is why I get mad when people defend the government's stupid and short sight actions now. Brexit was a slow motion train wreck, but is the government had an ounce of moral courage they'd have come out ahead of it saying 'we're not going to let this damage the lives of innocent people, we're going to do the best we can to guarantee our relationships with the EU and both our citizens remain as strong as possible, while enacting the will of the people'. Instead they've decided to follow a path of out UKIPing UKIP, and mouthy meaningless platitudes instead of giving firm guarantees.
Everyone had a good laugh at that Pret woman
Turns out she had a point
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...anger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit
Turns out she had a point
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...anger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit
I wish we'd seen Leadsom. At least she'd have been an *incompetent* hard right extreme Brexit authoritarian.
This bit stands out too..
What is it people keep telling us? British people can't find jobs, and would love to do the jobs all the immigrants do? My arse..
Nah, it's obvious propaganda to cover up crap wages/conditions/hours/bosses/contracts etc. You'd thought that the other piece of ongoing propaganda - 'foreigners are lazy and take benefits'/'foreigners are hard-working...unlike Brits who take benefits' - would've clued people in to the other batch of lies.
Fair play to Dugdale.
Watching on a half hour delay. Karen Bradley has clearly drawn the short straw here, she's been hung out to dry having to defend this against a completely hostile audience and panel.
Also on a delay, the division in the room when that Labour supporter said he wanted a GE was entertaining
Tasmina's probably my least favourite SNP MP/MSP (besides Mason) so it's annoying they like to send her own this quite often. Polished to the point of absurdity and robotic as feck. Also has supported just about every party at some point.
To the contrary, Dugdale's actually been better than I've usually seen her...somewhat personable and jokey at times, and has made her points in a reasonable manner even if I think she's ultimately weak on some of them.
To the contrary, Dugdale's actually been better than I've usually seen her...somewhat personable and jokey at times, and has made her points in a reasonable manner even if I think she's ultimately weak on some of them.
Agree on both points. Tasmina's a political plastic bag in the wind; been everywhere, done nothing. I've just got her on talking about the second Scottish referendum now.
I think Kezia Dugdale has just thought 'feck it', and fair play for doing so. She's trying to push water uphill with Labour wiped out at home and Corbyn south of the border, and she knows it.
Dugdale always comes across as a solid party person to me, even if not leadership material. On a hiding to nothing in her current job at any rate.
What Kezia is able to do is bring some proper opposition to the SNP's record in Scotland to the attention of us in England. I've just heard her '€1.5b out of local services' 'destinations not attainment' stuff (with Nelson chipping in too) and, while I don't know much about it myself, it's at least interesting to hear opposition to the SNP that isn't based on their record in Westminster (which is basically being a very effective pain in the Tories' arse).
Why am I sat here agreeing with David Starkey.
Same. He's a rude abrasive motherfecker and I usually disagree with his views but he knows his history and he always makes me think. I also like how little he ums and ahs when he speaks, he knows what he thinks and he knows how to articulate those thoughts.
Can't stand Tasmina, when ever she's on she always takes over the show. As you said, she's been everywhere, now riding the wave that is the SNP and comes across as arrogant and rather self serving in her views.
Yeah she's relatively poor but I think she's realised she's a bit fecked and has generally toned down some of the more abrasive opposition to the SNP. She used to come across as incredibly fake too, but seems a tad more personable now. Maybe I'm just feeling sorry for her, though...
Local councils one is interesting. The SNP have often been accused of being quite pro-centralisation as a party (ie Police Scotland) which some would obviously feel to be at odds with their independence stance. Some local councils have complained but I do also think there are a lot of Labour councils out there who will, to an extent, throw anything they can at the SNP and hope it sticks. My own Labour council leader is a complete arsehole in that regard...although any of the others I've dealt with from his party have been quite helpful and friendly, right enough. Anyway we'll be seeing a lot more SNP control after May at a local level so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
Oh great Angela Eagle
This episode is awful. I'm giving up. Lots of English people lecturing on Scottish independence, whilst simultaneously ill informed and unaware of irony. Capped off by Dimbleby's typically awful managment.
The most bizarre thing about the English reaction to Scotland and the SNP is this simultaneous hatred of Scots and the Scottish whilst opposing their independence. If you dislike them so much why don't you want to see them leave?
The most bizarre thing about the English reaction to Scotland and the SNP is this simultaneous hatred of Scots and the Scottish whilst opposing their independence. If you dislike them so much why don't you want to see them leave?
The SNP woman makes a good argument.
Joanna Cherry very good tonight, especially with an audience that seems to have no time for Scotland. The arrogance from some of the audience on the matter of Scotland is hilarious. You'll sit down, shut up and do what you're told. The member of the audience who asked why the SNP has MPs in the 'English Parliament' about sums it up. Little Englanders.
This Wetherspoons guy seems to have had one too many is his pub before he came on.
This Wetherspoons guy seems to have had one too many is his pub before he came on.
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Deemed less electable than Owen Smith.
How quickly can Trident be used to remove every trace of this island off the face of the Earth?
Yet another SNP representative who tried to take over the whole show without any consideration or acknowledgement for the other members, what a surprise.
And was allowed to give long speeches before remotely addressing the question put. I've nothing against the SNP, just saying they shouldn't be a special case.
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If you are going to turn the debate into an idiots' Q&A on Scottish independence as Dimbleby did, you can't complain about the SNP representative having a lot of time to answer.
Rifkind calling out Giles Fraser on being a dick was enjoyable.
Fraser is a bouncer who inadvertently took the wrong career path and kind of just went with it.
There can't be more than 3 or 4 people in the country more abhorrent than Gove and Rees-Mogg.
Leanne Wood is bloody awful, even when she makes a valid point I find myself struggling not to mute the TV.
Starting now on BBC 1.
The info for this show on Sky calls him Sir Keir Starmer. It'll probably be the only element of this shit you'll need to give headspace.
What's the occasion for a Monday night QT?
May is invoking Article 50 on Wednesday.
I'd forgot about this until I came on here, now I kinda wish I hadn't logged on.
Yeah it's Brexit again.
There's been a Brexit question on every QT since the referendum, and probably about a year prior.
The UKIP woman is well out of her depth.
UKIP are so pathetic, anything for a cheap clap. "We shouldn't give the EU a penny!"
Okay so then they don't give us a trade deal...
Okay so then they don't give us a trade deal...
I've never known anyone take as many words to say nothing like David Davis does. It is truly a spectacle to behold.