In order to develop tactics to the point where you apply them fast enough, teams need plenty of work on the training ground as well as practice on the football pitch. England has too many games. Klopp and LvG have been pretty much complaining all the time about how they are only recovering and not doing much training. In game practice is also a bit of an impossibility. Whereas a Villarreal or Sevilla get to practice their strategies, combinations on the pitch where there is more time on the ball and less chaos, an English side cannot do that. The end result is teams that are not particularly good at these things because they haven't worked on them. I may have phrased it badly in the post you relied to but the point I was trying to make is not that measured overly tactical approaches do not work against English teams but that they are much harder for an English team to perfect and be good at which make the ones who try to implement them stuck in limbo. The successful managers therefor in the history of the PL like Fergie and Mourinho were the ones who realised that and focus on other areas without wasting too much time on something that will have little chance of taking off. On the other hand, they never experienced the same success in Europe and even when they did, it was through sitting them and defending for our lives rather than outplaying the best European teams. It is my view that what LvG tried to do over here was either admirably ambitious or naïve for example which is why I am very interested to see if Pep will manage to make City play the way we know he can make teams play.