The amount of running he did in the final, it would be excusable for a player who injured during the match and had to stay on for whatever reason. If he is this level of fit after getting enough rest in last couple of weeks, then he has no business of being selected/making himself available for selection.
Rashford's post-match Interview
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I hope he doesn’t go to the Euros for his and our sake. The bloke desperately needs a rest, surgery and time away from a football pitch. But he’ll obviously go.
This. He totally needs a rest. World cup then next year as well. He is burned out completely already.
Hard disagree. Rashford was not disinterested. He just didn't have enough in him to break down Villarreal's bus. Whether he is tired from the season, or playing with injury or whatever is there, it wasn't lack of passion, it was lack of ability. Spanish clubs, especially the underdog ones like Villarreal are very good at parking the bus. We had nothing (except for Cavani) to break them down.
Rashford's style was also a problem. Often, Rashy breaks-through using his trickery, dribbling inside the box and then shooting a good one. This style is very ineffective with a parked bus, because there are too many bodies int he box, and they were swarming him every time, taking the ball away from him every time. We needed positional game, long passes to change the attack from side to side and attackers being fed with great crosses, while attackers would rush into tight spaces to score them. There were no such crosses coming from Luke, AWB or Pogba. Bruno tried a bit but couldn't do it. So there you have it - Rashy, Cavani and Greenwood didn't have enough support to make it happen.
He was absolute garbage, but I think you're playing amateur psychologist here.
The obvious answer to that is that what's going on behind closed doors and players inner thoughts is not the purpose of a discussion forum, because as you point out, we don't know anything about them and hence have no basis for discussing them. You can't solve that by simply making assumptions instead.
Southgate should be dropping him really, he's not been good enough to justify being in the 26 this year.
But think he's another one who's lost in the Rashford hype.
But think he's another one who's lost in the Rashford hype.
Would be on par with the usual English NT in big events. Take decisions based on popularity and media news and their pressure.
To be fair to England's medical team, they promptly sent him home
If he is injured all the time, then the medical team who declare him fit and available should be fired. If it is the manager who is pressurizing the medical staff to ok him for all games, then the manager needs to get fired.
What's with the holier than thou forum police attitude? I will ask again - what makes you the judge of what we can and cannot discuss on a discussion forum?
Looking forward to you camping in the Martial thread responding "you can't say that, you don't know his inner thoughts" when people are complaining that it looks like he can't be arsed.
I thought all these posts were talking about the last few Henry Winter briefs ("Rashford's teammates are in awe of his bravery" and this cringefest).
Didn't even realise he'd came out with another one today. Swiss watches aren't as reliable.
It is part of the industry that celebrities/athletes/politicians/PR agents have journalists they like to 'cooperate' with to plant stories and sway opinion. It's not exactly pleasant, and on a moral level I think journalists (even trivial ones like sport and entertainment) should try to keep some degree of neutrality - but I'm also a hypocrite because it's something I do myself for clients. It's the shortest path to easy results.
But even factoring that in, the Rashford/Rashford's Brother/Roc/Henry Winter stuff plunges new depths in it's reacharound sycophancy.
Edit - Winter quite literally does PR for a PR company.
Multiple times putting out straight up Roc Nation press releases, yet has never even mentioned another agency (tried all the big ones like Stellar, IMG, Wasserman...he hasn't even mentioned Raiola or Mendes, who are basically celebrities).
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Completely disagree with the idea that he wasn't passionate about the game and disinterested. Don't think that post match interview has done him any favours though, it's just the worst time to be saying all that stuff and I agree with the points made that his head should be nowhere near the wider perception of Man Utd's status. Where is the siege mentality? It's another red flag about the current setup tbh.
All the trolls racially abusing him can obviously feck right off. It's upsetting and disturbing that it just continues. Maybe twitter should go way of fb and require photo ID for accounts, but thats another topic.
All the trolls racially abusing him can obviously feck right off. It's upsetting and disturbing that it just continues. Maybe twitter should go way of fb and require photo ID for accounts, but thats another topic.
After that performance if I was Southgate I would take him out the England team and tell him to take the Summer off. I like Rashford but overused and is going to run his career into the ground at a very young age if he or someone doesn't take control and tell him to take some time out.
I'll admit of being a Marcus Rashford fanboy, but his end of the season has been undeniably atrocious. The performance of the final was disgraceful, and both him and the manager should take the blame for it.
I don't want to hear any of that motivational talk after playing amateurish, it looks and sounds patronising towards the fans - "you should support us, we gave it all", it even sounds like as if Marcus doesn't want to acknowledge his own downfalls and struggles.
The club is wasting so much money on expenses and some of the players need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror, because they don't deserve even half of their wages.
I don't want to hear any of that motivational talk after playing amateurish, it looks and sounds patronising towards the fans - "you should support us, we gave it all", it even sounds like as if Marcus doesn't want to acknowledge his own downfalls and struggles.
The club is wasting so much money on expenses and some of the players need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror, because they don't deserve even half of their wages.
I also agree that the Rashford brand, isn't necessarily helping the cause of Man Utd the team. I'm not gonna knock him doing amazing stuff for charitable causes, but management needs to be ruthless when it comes down to winning trophies. What he does off the pitch is up to him, but he should be managed according to his form and output. I also agree that he acquired the kind of superstar status during a very bad patch for us that wasn't warranted by the consistency of his performances. I think he's got the tools to be a truly elite player, but the 'superstar' status grates when it doesn't correlate with on pitch exploits. Said it so much at the time, but that gigantic contract was such a mistake, you can't pay people FA player of the year wages when they play like POTY for 3 or 4 games a season. Again this really does fall on management. He's a young lad and obviously heart in the right place, it's on management to manage him effectively.
Can only blame Ole for not subbing him off. Rashford played poorly and was incredibly wasteful in our attacks. Great penalty by him though.
I've said it once, I'll say it again - he should have been subbed off, not Greenwood.
I've said it once, I'll say it again - he should have been subbed off, not Greenwood.
The Villarreal players..?
How much running did he do?
On current form, Rashford is nip and tuck for the winger positions alongside Sancho, Sterling, Lingard, Foden and Grealish.
If it's 4 from 6, I'm like you and hope he doesn't make the cut. Southgate has his favourites and I've got a feeling Rashford isn't quite one of them.
These press conferences are meaningless, there is nothing you can take from it.
What a terrible thread to read through.
People need to learn to stand by the players after the bad games. Especially those who have the right attitude, the kind of players Fergie would have shielded to death.
Criticism towards the performance should always be done but asking him to be away from social media or to stop saying positive things in interviews is absolutely stupid.
He will eventually come good again as he is an excellent player going through a bad patch and the same lot will be cheering him.
As much as he needs to work on a lot of stuff on the pitch, we need to work on being a less toxic fanbase.
People need to learn to stand by the players after the bad games. Especially those who have the right attitude, the kind of players Fergie would have shielded to death.
Criticism towards the performance should always be done but asking him to be away from social media or to stop saying positive things in interviews is absolutely stupid.
He will eventually come good again as he is an excellent player going through a bad patch and the same lot will be cheering him.
As much as he needs to work on a lot of stuff on the pitch, we need to work on being a less toxic fanbase.
Big Marcus fan as well. We need more depth because as much as I like him as a player, he needed to see the bench for a bit until his form came back around.
I really wish our players showed even half of the togetherness and spirit. Whilst villareal players were amping each other up in a huddle we were walking and standing around like statues. How can the players look at that and not feel silly.
I agree. The Villarreal players showed real desired both on and off the ball which we couldn't match.
This is something I can never understand. How can we sit there as a team that have won nothing and not try to come together and put everything into the game? How can not one player on the pitch get the lads together and help push them on?
What I don't understand is why Solskjaer didn't bring on Amad and VdB, especially Amad who has the attributes to open up a low block. Emery had no problem starting a teenager who's younger than Amad.
Theres a multitude of issues but apparently we are supposed to have this great team spirit yet when you watch this game it seemed that no one gave a crap.
He got caught between wanting to keep his best penalty takers on and not trying to lose the game in extra time. He froze up. Very poor showing from the supposed favourites. I’m still stunned at it all today.
I predict he’ll ‘battle’ through the Euros with England and do nothing for them either.
He’ll be the nations scapegoat because we all know that Ingerlund fans need and love a scapegoat.
He’ll then have surgery on his injuries and miss the start of the season for United
I'll be brutally honest, I think we would've won the game if we had someone like a Adi Hutter coaching us from the start of the season. Why I say that is due to the obvious coaching capability of Hutter and his front foot approach to playing the game. It was a awful showing from us against a team with vastly inferior financial resources and we were clueless in how to break them down.
And the reason I use Adi Hutter to make my point, is due to many not knowing who he is. But with him at the helm, I'm confident we would've won the game comfortably.
Hope you're right.
Amazing how a thread about Rashford's interview can still be twisted into people posting what a poor coach Ole is.
Must go into the Brexit thread on the current events forum as no doubt someone there will blame that on Ole being a bad coach too
I wouldn't be surprised if some posters in here were ok with the abuse he received on social media after the game going by some of the posts I've seen. He looks clearly injured to me but seems like a player who will play through the pain just to represent united.
It's absolutely amazing isn't it? Like that's never happened before with evolving discussions..
Well, I could tell you a third time, but I doubt it would make a difference, since you seem to have convinced yourself this is about who gets to decide what.
Which makes him an absolutely terrible choice to use to make your point. Other than some weird need to be perceived as a football hipster by people you’ll never meet, presumably.
It makes him a terrible choice for people who know very little about football tactics and the man himself. But Hutter himself is a brilliant coach who is vastly experienced at coaching teams both defensively and offensively from a structural view point. He makes his teams punch abouve their weight, whilst adopting a front foot approach.
I’m sure he’s great. And that was a mean post by me. I’m in a shitty mood after last night. Sorry.