I think the age thing is the single biggest factor for both parties. England need to throw in their lot with Smalling et al. Rio needs to focus on extending his club career by as much as possible. Its a no brainer really.
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I thought it was well established that he was much better defender than terry.
Do a straw poll of non-United fans and I think, at least until very recently, and possibly still, you would have a much more even vote than expected
I will be very surprised, anyway I personally don't even have a doubt that Rio was the better defender. I don't care about their opinion tbh but if that is true then I am really surprised.
It's true, I had an argument with a Chelsea mate about who was better a few years ago. We had a straw poll with our mates to see what everyone else thought and there were many plumping for Terry.
Don't do it Rio
Just say NO!
Just say NO!
Yes yes, which is why the likes of Maldini and Nesta don't get as much recognition in England as they should, if only they put in a few more slide tackles..sorry mate, it's always a peeve of mine when someone suggests most supporters don't know about the subtler aspects of defending
Most English supporters, including Scandinavians, rarely watched Nesta and Maldini play outside the Euros or World Cups, and thus their recognition mostly stems from reports and media acclaim, not by actualy viewing.
Do you not think that Rio would get more recognition had he been a more fierce tackler ala Terry?
I actually read that since he was 20, not even in his twenties, he hasn't run at full pelt. However, when watching clips of a 25-30 year old Giggs, he would still blast past most if not all opposing defenders, so it is still a farily good comparison for Rio - Giggs would probably be faster though as he is arguably the fastest player I've seen (certainly with the ball).
Clearly MOTM on Sunday but Sky coverboy Gerrard earns the vote.
Btw, post 888 - yeah those tackles and being nasty earn guys like Stam and Vidic high praise while finesse players like Rio are largely ignored. Rio has easily been, by miles, the best defender in Premiership history, and arguably the best English defender ever (with apologies to Bobby Moore and Tony Adams).
Btw, post 888 - yeah those tackles and being nasty earn guys like Stam and Vidic high praise while finesse players like Rio are largely ignored. Rio has easily been, by miles, the best defender in Premiership history, and arguably the best English defender ever (with apologies to Bobby Moore and Tony Adams).
wonder if Rio will make one last hurrah for England now Terry is gone.
would be good to see him at ther World Cup in 2014.
would be good to see him at ther World Cup in 2014.
I don't know, it'd be really depressing if so. I'd like to believe that apart from Man United and Chelsea supporters (who may be biased), majority of football watchers would go for Rio over Terry.
this. rio is and never will be a defender who slides. he stays on his feet.
Rio shouldn't go anywhere near the England team - it's time to move on both for him and the squad.
Also we should not take ANY risks with him outside of playing him in Premier League and Champions League games - don't even let him train (maybe cardio or something on the bikes). Same with Evans and Rafael. fecking injuries
Also we should not take ANY risks with him outside of playing him in Premier League and Champions League games - don't even let him train (maybe cardio or something on the bikes). Same with Evans and Rafael. fecking injuries
His one-on-one defending is just amazing. Comes away with the ball almost everytime..
for United's sake, and his own fitness, rio better run, not walk, away from the england team.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...John-Terry-replacement.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
I don't know why the Daily Mail decided to use the picture below for their story about Hodgson continuing his Rio snub, but I wholly approve.
I don't know why the Daily Mail decided to use the picture below for their story about Hodgson continuing his Rio snub, but I wholly approve.
That was his worst performance in a long time... 2/10.
Wasn't that bad. Left woefully exposed by the midfield. Could've have done better, especially against Defoe out wide, but 2/10 is ridiculous.
-Nani forgot to track his man for the 1st goal(so the fault starts with him, but what was Rio doing when Vertonghen basically went past him like he wasn't there
-Second goal, again midfield was nowhere to be seen, but Rio sort of ran side by side before bale outpaced him and then putting in the shot.
-Third goal, Defoe ran away from him before putting in the pass for Bale to shoot, resulting in the parry and then the follow up into the open goal by Dempsey
I'd like to think, someone of his experience and ability would have gotten in a challenge in at least one of those situations.
EDIT:
Just looked it up to see if I was imagining things...but no.
He was caught woefully flat footed for Bales goal and gone done over by Defoe for the third.
Lost quite a bit of pace and it showed yesterday. Horrid for goal 2 and 3.
A fabulous defender left terribly exposed by his midfield, there's nothing worse as a CB than having people run at you from deep areas with pace.
Agreed. Certainly not been a good performance by Rio but feck me he isnt the quickest anymore and to be left exposed by your midfield like he was from Carrick and Scholes in the first half will get you punished.
How many CB wouldnt have been done by Bale for pace?
He was left one on one with bale who had tons of space to attack(^^), hardly his fault.
He was great against liverpool though, showed how good he is when the whole team defends good.
He was great against liverpool though, showed how good he is when the whole team defends good.
Sure, most would - Thiago Silva would probably keep pace, and a younger Rio. However, it wasn't the pace that let Rio down, it was his indecisiveness. Once he started to run flat out he kept pace quite well, but he took too long to make his mind up, and that's why the Norwegian pundits also said that Evans was partly to blame.
He had his worst game this season, but he was good in the second half, without too much defensive work to do, mind you.
Rio of old would have dealt with it fine but Bale is also one of the quickest in the PL so he was always going to struggle. Like somebody else said, he was great against Liverpool and still one of the best in the game for me.
Remember Craig Bellemy skinned Rio alive in the Liverpool game ages ago so its hardly a surprise to see Bale doing it now. Rio is going the way of Carragher sadly and it happens to them all. Good thing is he's given us years of top service and still can be used when needed, plus we have Smalling and Jones etc to do on with. I think our days of Evra, Vidic, Rio + whoever are over to be honest. This season and last is proving that. Even Vidic is getting on now.
I thought he was shocking for the first two goals, at no point did he try and throw his entire body into a tackle trying to block any potential shot on goal.
He was terrible against spurs.
You're only as good as your last game I guess.
Indeed.
This has a Photoshop thread written all over it.....
Too early for this statement. I think that Vidic will return.
might as well take him out into a field and shoot him now then
For me, Rio is still one of the best in the game when fit. Paul McGrath and Ledley King both proved that you can still be awesome by reading of the game.
Rio had a bad game, which incidentally follwed a match where he was probably MOTM
Agreed but Rio always relied on his pace to get him out of sticky situations and now it's only his positional awareness he has left. He has never been great in the air and doesn't really have a physical presence, but I still rate him as one of the best in PL.
tbh i disagree that his pace has completely gone. Hes just not going to match the likes of Bale
Not many CB can match Bale's speed, but sure that Rio's speed has gone. Even SAF said it if I am not wrong.
Bale, Torres , Bellamy all scored after leaving him behind on pure pace alone. A few more like Auguero, Defoe could hurt us. He is good at reading the game though so most times he will cope.
That's nonsense, he's 6'3 and over 14 stone. He's doesn't look it because he's not really stocky in his appearance because he's naturally athletic but he's a big, big man. And he's good in the air too, he's not quite Vidic in that he comes charging through people in the air, but he gets his head on most things and away from danger.