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Riots in Ferguson, St Louis
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Yet another gem from The Land of The Free and the Home of the Brave!
I'll stomp a mudhole on your face.
You can be asked for ID by an officer, however, unless they have reasonable suspicion to detain you or believe you are involved in something illegal, you aren't required to provide ID. You can ask if you're being detained, and if the officer says no, then you are free to leave.
There's a difference between a detention, and a consensual encounter.
Please enlighten me as to the reason why a Highway policeman has to punch a woman repeatedly in her face to subdue her!
You've already decided what you think of the situation....I'm not here to argue or debate with you....just wondering if you had actually tried finding out what happens in these situations other than what is put out there.
Why don't you enlighten the rest of us
As for the incidents leading up to the video?
...yes
To be honest, I'm not sure what information has been released and what hasn't as of yet. The general story is that the officer was trying to stop the lady from walking into rush hour traffic, endangering herself and the motorists. She wouldn't listen to the officer's commands, which at that point she's required to. He went hands on, and at that point, the physical altercation happened. Whether it was excessive, or whether she could have complied before the second plain clothes officer arrived, or what not.
It's lose/lose as far as the officer's actions are concerned in a situation like this. I'll tell you this though, unless you've stood on a freeway with traffic flying by, you don't realize how those cars feel when they fly by you. Either one of them could have fallen into traffic lanes, and I can guarantee you that in that same situation, I wouldn't take the chance for that to be me.
Except that cops don't care about having a reason, they'll just say you smell of alcohol or whatever they want, if they want to arrest you.
I'd like to mention most cops are decent sorts.
Yeah that was generally the idea I got from googling but I'm still not sure how that justifies punches.
I didn't necessarily mean it to justify him using the punches, or as many as he did...putting myself in his shoes, it was probably the lowest level of force to use to try and gain compliance. If she was able to be handcuffed immediately, I would like to think she would have been...but I can only assume in that situation, the officer wasn't getting compliance from her, and decided that was his option to try and neutralize the situation.
Situations like this, where the officer's actions are scrutinized in the media...whether the officer was in the right or wrong...will only lead to negative outcomes.
I think you are trying to defend the indefensible. The officer already had the woman pinned to the ground essentially secure before striking her repeatedly in the face.
Straddling a woman who is flailing around on the side of a freeway isn't "secure"...but like I said, I'm not here to argue with you about it
Your justification for the force he used was that the woman was endangering herself, the life of the officers and motorists.
The fact is he had already negated that threat by pinning her to the floor and straddling her midriff. Why the punches to the face, of course it was quite effective in quelling her resistance, but it was way over the top.
Another cop, another vctim!
What is the point of posting random videos of bad things police officers did?
Maybe because it is not as random as we are led to believe!
What are you saying? That a significant number of police officers are bullies who routinely abuse their power? Okay, sure. I think most would agree but posting whatever videos you can find on youtube isn't really advancing the discussion.
I struggle to understand your logic.
Two videos hardly constitutes flooding a thread withe videos 'that does not advance the discussion', when the central theme of the discussion is the appropriate/dispropotionate use of force by police.
The thread was for what happened in Ferguson...it then started to branch out into all officers being racist and power hungry.
Now you're just posting random videos of officer's abusing their power. Like @Eboue said...the videos are there, and no one will dispute that their are unfortunately officers who give the rest a bad name...but I seem to have missed the point of posting them all?
I have only posted two videos and I am pretty certain I am not the only individual to post videos not directly related to the Ferguson riots on this thread.
In, fact I was of the opinion that you thought the actions of the highway patrolman punching the woman repeatedly in the face on the freeway as justifiable, it is good that you have since had a change of heart!
Throughout this thread I have maintained that I was just offering a different viewpoint on the incident(s). Unless you are there, you don't know the split second decision making required in the moment. I haven't tried to justify what any officer did, nor have I scrutinized their actions. Being in law enforcement isn't just a "job" and shouldn't be taken lightly...its a thankless job for putting your own safety on the line every time you go to work. Unless you have tried it....you really can't understand it.
I was trained myself in 'law enforcement'!
I am also a 6'6" 250lb black man!
So I see quite clearly both sides of the fence and I will put it to you that sometimes ur internal biases/fears sometimes inform those split second/hair trigger decisions that sometimes the costs lives of 'innocent civilians.
I am also a 6'6" 250lb black man!
So I see quite clearly both sides of the fence and I will put it to you that sometimes ur internal biases/fears sometimes inform those split second/hair trigger decisions that sometimes the costs lives of 'innocent civilians.
There's no point in posting videos of police officers doing bad things to people this type of thing happens all the time in America. I heard a statistic the other week that said something that every week there are approx. 2 unarmed black males shot and killed by police in America every week.
Now without knowing the implications of each and every case, humans are human - they make mistakes, and police officers are no different. We could sit here and defend cops and defend the other side all day long it doesn't make a difference.
The overwhelming reason why people feel so outraged when things like this happen is not necessarily because the police officer shot a guy or the events leading up to it. But it's the reasons and implications that happen in the aftermath - profiling black victims as thugs and criminals, even if they don't have a conviction record - the very fact that they "wore a hoodie" or took a "compromising" picture means that they had that thuggish mentality, apparently. And it's bull because if they weren't black they wouldn't get that same treatment. And truthfully if they really were thugs or criminals then they would be even more likely to be armed.
Thats why so many black people are so outraged because they feel as though society has already marked them and they don't have a leg to stand on.
Altercations are going to happen, this wont be the last unarmed black kid thats shot in america.
But the next one will be labelled a thug or a criminal as well. So will the one after that and the pattern will continue.
We've seen it happen in the past, there's been dozen of Mike Brown's that have caught the media attention, and hundreds more that haven't.
Now without knowing the implications of each and every case, humans are human - they make mistakes, and police officers are no different. We could sit here and defend cops and defend the other side all day long it doesn't make a difference.
The overwhelming reason why people feel so outraged when things like this happen is not necessarily because the police officer shot a guy or the events leading up to it. But it's the reasons and implications that happen in the aftermath - profiling black victims as thugs and criminals, even if they don't have a conviction record - the very fact that they "wore a hoodie" or took a "compromising" picture means that they had that thuggish mentality, apparently. And it's bull because if they weren't black they wouldn't get that same treatment. And truthfully if they really were thugs or criminals then they would be even more likely to be armed.
Thats why so many black people are so outraged because they feel as though society has already marked them and they don't have a leg to stand on.
Altercations are going to happen, this wont be the last unarmed black kid thats shot in america.
But the next one will be labelled a thug or a criminal as well. So will the one after that and the pattern will continue.
We've seen it happen in the past, there's been dozen of Mike Brown's that have caught the media attention, and hundreds more that haven't.
What he is saying is that you can't back up an argument with random posts of police brutality. And that's the case, it's random. How many cops do you think there is in the US and how many incidents like this do you think they are involved in? Considering the amount of incident of police brutality, it is very random.
But, the video of the woman being beaten is horrible. The police officer is not using the minimal force needed and he should get fired and time in jail. That is just insane to watch. But it's still an random incident.
As for the incident in Ferguson, the person shot has just robbed a store and that is the situation they are entering. When they find them they are walking in the middle of the road being aggresive towards people driving by. It's not like they are creating the case themselves.
You say that it is random.... I say the only thing random about it is that it was one of many cases of police brutality that was randomly captured on video.
This is the tip of the iceberg. Many times the victims of these minor incidents would not even file a police report because in most cases it boils down to the victims word against that of the police! And if you are poor , black and have as much as an outstanding parking ticket, the result is inevitable.
So everything boils down to race then is what you're saying? The outrage of the shooting is because it was a white cop shooting a black teenager...I don't see any outrage in your posts about any of the police shootings involving white people.
It's never that simple, you're trying to simplify decades of injustice felt by black people at the hands of cops and the media.
The reasons there aren't outrage about white teenagers being shot? Hardly any are. White kids aren't perceived as thugs or criminals.
Then on top of that it's not about people being killed.
It's about the thousands of black people who are treated badly by the police for no justifiable reason and never given the same treatment as white people. Like that lady in the YouTube video, being pulled over, 'random' stop searches, the use of excessive force and many more that happen every day.
It's decades of unfair treatment.
And honestly unless you're black or you have black friends who've experienced this chances are you won't have any idea what it feels like - but at the same time because you are in a privileged position don't try and quantify an entire race's outrage as being so simple.
More white people are killed by police than black people. % wise, more black people are killed...but as pure numbers, more white people are.
As to your other point, people don't always help their own cause. Outrage about a black teenager being killed, peaceful protest, and people decide that's the perfect time to loot and steal. It just stands that unfortunately there are people in every race, group, gender, that portray a negative image on the whole.
of course you are right.
but don't expect anything to change soon in places like Ferguson down south.
http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Sa...ent-shootings-open-season-on-law-enforcement/
Open season on law enforcement too.
Right, but thats hard to see, considering the US population is 62% white and 12% African American. Black people are still three times more likely to be shot at in 'legal intervention' than white people.
I completely agree that they are more likely, just thought that a "hardly any white people are" was a bit off.
Agreed
A shooting involving, two cops, one suspect and an innocent bystander in my city in the early hours this morning. One police officer dead, the suspect and the innocent bystander wounded. Short on exact details of how the events unfolded right now.
http://rochester.twcnews.com/conten...cer-identified---suspect-is-a-recent-parolee/
http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/st...d-killed-in-city/39034/5FeQpTpY5Uu_ShVw6mXGJQ
http://www.democratandchronicle.com...killed-city-shooting-others-wounded/15057023/
http://rochester.twcnews.com/conten...cer-identified---suspect-is-a-recent-parolee/
http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/st...d-killed-in-city/39034/5FeQpTpY5Uu_ShVw6mXGJQ
http://www.democratandchronicle.com...killed-city-shooting-others-wounded/15057023/
Still willing to defend the indefensible... These eyewitnesses are white. Maybe you will believe them
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html