I can't honestly remember but did he say that in an interview or something?
Rooney Contract Haggling / Transfer Requests Revisited
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I can't honestly remember but did he say that in an interview or something?
Statement to the media just before our Champions League game against Besiktas. Great timing. Atmosphere that night was between shell shocked and defiant.
his statement over transfers, or Ozil?
yeah the timing and manner of it just made it even worse i think adding to the bitterness
IIRC It was Fergie who announced to the press. And then Rooney released the detailed statement.
Fergie had the presser where he made it all public and then Rooney clarified what had happened. It was better to clarify than to stay silent.
His all round performance was poor in the cup final, he wasn't outstanding in those games you've mentioned.
Whatever. I can't be bothered to argue with this but it was clear as daylight. Rooney and De Gea were the only players that performed like they gave a rats ass the whole season. If you refuse to see that then it's nothing but a bias.
Signing Rooney that season was applauded by everyone and rightly so.
More touches than anyone. More passes than anyone. And the decisive moment of world class quality to win the game.
You're going too far to try and belittle Rooney and it's totally undermining your point.
Mockney's right about hyperbole.
It's possible to argue some of the finer points of management and tactics. But when manager after manager shows the utmost faith in Rooney, you really need to start doubting whether the 'Rooney is terrible' dogma is correct. Coming up with exaggerations about his touch and tempo of passing, or making up conspiracy theories about how he controls sections of the media is insane.
Moyes, LVG & Hodgson have all shown the utmost faith in Rooney as the above poster states and look how well it worked out for them.
Mourinho won't make the same mistake.
Mourinho won't make the same mistake.
It isn't certain that SAF would sell Rooney. And if he wanted to, then obviously he failed. Get over it!
If those 3 had dropped Rooney, they would have succeeded? Nah, they were all poor regardless of their handling of Rooney. Whilst tactics and man management was shit, all 3 of them could spot a good player.
Mourinho loves Rooney just like they did. But he'll succeed because of his man management.
Like he's the one why they're elsewhere now.
Maybe it's Smalling's fault actually...? Yeah, that works.
It's De Gea's fault Moyes and LvG failed.
He's such a good 'keeper, they both neglected defensive organisation and that meant we struggled to transition from back to front.
Yay! Historical revisionism.
The only reason I wanted Rooney to stay was the fear that should he leave to join Mou at Chelsea he would go on to be a world beater at Chelsea. In my heart I knew he was on the decline and that a move away was probably the right thing for him to do. History now, he stayed and has been meh for the most part.
Mourinho was not in Chelsea then. Nor was Rooney in decline.
You're probably thinking about summer of 2013.
You're probably thinking about summer of 2013.
Rooney was absolutely brilliant back then and had an amazing second half to the season after the new contract.
Ah yes, thanks.
Rooney is comfortably the biggest fraud I've ever seen play football these last 4 years. I've never known a player to have so many excuses made for him, its his position, its the players around him, its the way we're playing; Rooney might pop up with the odd goal or assist but he's been having a real negative impact on those around him the last 4 years. He certainly doesn't bring out the best in those around him. I'd really like to know what his qualities are, he's lost all his pace and acceleration, his first touch is abysmal, his awareness of whats around him is even worse, he's lost the power he used to have in shot and even his finishing isn't great anymore. What grates me most is the impact he has on the rest of the team, I can't think of too many players benefiting from him keeping his place in the team.
What are Rooney's qualities as a player?
What are Rooney's qualities as a player?
Kagawa was hardly pulling up trees whenever he played too. I remember the Newcastle game (think we won 4-0 or something. Think mata scored for the first time in that game?). We also had some excellent games vs Leverkusen (home and away), west ham away and many other games (like villa away, Palace home and away) influenced by Rooney too.
He was very good in all those games. He didn't score but his overall play was excellent holding up the ball well so that mata Fellaini and herrera could make their runs.
Means nowt! He probably had the same stats against Slovakia!
More touches than anyone. More passes than anyone. And the decisive moment of world class quality to win the game.
You're going too far to try and belittle Rooney and it's totally undermining your point.
Mockney's right about hyperbole.
It's possible to argue some of the finer points of management and tactics. But when manager after manager shows the utmost faith in Rooney, you really need to start doubting whether the 'Rooney is terrible' dogma is correct. Coming up with exaggerations about his touch and tempo of passing, or making up conspiracy theories about how he controls sections of the media is insane.
About £4?
Right. So all the other players were unprofessional as hell according to you and if I don't see it, it's just bias on my part. Okie-Doke.
If that is what you got from what I said you're not only biased but need work on your reading skills.
More touches than anyone. More passes than anyone. And the decisive moment of world class quality to win the game.
You're going too far to try and belittle Rooney and it's totally undermining your point.
Mockney's right about hyperbole.
It's possible to argue some of the finer points of management and tactics. But when manager after manager shows the utmost faith in Rooney, you really need to start doubting whether the 'Rooney is terrible' dogma is correct. Coming up with exaggerations about his touch and tempo of passing, or making up conspiracy theories about how he controls sections of the media is insane.
Sorry but these statistics are ridiculous because in the match, Rooney lost the ball in an attacking position and as an attacker that is unacceptable. Also, he pays the media and has blackmailed managers to pick him by having a clause in his contract that he must play. If you ask me, his final assist was also just an example of his terrible first touch that luckily deflected to Rashford. He's shite and has been for 3 years now -- just look back 2 years ago when he scored from the half way line. A real striker would score from a closer range! And just so you know assists and goals don't matter if you pass the ball diagonally. All good footballers are techno midgets that provide through balls. Everyone knows that. Rooney out.
and something you would call something automatically means I called it that? Besides I'm talking about how you couldn't see Rooney and De Gea being a level above everyone that whole season. There were matches when it looked like the other players weren't bothered/demoralized or whatever. Rooney and De Gea where the only two players that gave 100% at all times.
So what? Dave wasn't even that great under Moyes and Rooney wasn't either. That's all my point was.
People say Rooney was good under Moyes - I'm saying being better (or more effective essentially - scoring goals) than others in the first eleven doesn't mean he was 'good' or 'great' in general.
Doesn't matter let's be honest. We'll soon see if it's a managerial problem or not under Mourinho.
No. There's been enough managers now but people believe what they want to believe. Five managers think Rooney is worth a spot but redcafe thinks he isn't. I wonder who to believe.
Contrary to what you might believe - if Rooney turns back the clock under Mou, I'll be fecking delighted. That means United benefit and the supporters benefit.
Yeah forgot about that actually, can't remember if i read it at the time but read it earlier and it was bad alright. He was right in a way because of financial pressures United's transfer policy back then left a lot to be desired and he had the right to ask about this stuff privately but airing that stuff in public was wrong.
To be honest even releasing such a statement at all was a bit out of order.
It was the bit about United lacking ambition, i forgot about that statement he released.
Of his last 6 managers, one wanted to get rid, the next 3 banked on him and ended up being epic failures and got sacked, one is clearly in Rooney's pocket and is looking like he's got no spine. All we have is Jose and I hope he sees what the Caf sees and do the right thing.
Excuses. You have no proof one wanted to get rid. You imply all previous managers failed because of Rooney when in Moyes' season Rooney was our best player (as admitted by a few who dislike him) and you just call the other spineless since it suits your narrative.
6 managers. All believed in Rooney till the end. Try again.
He doesn't need to "turn back the clock". He's providing us with assists and goals. When he stops he will be dropped but asking for him to be dropped in current form makes no sense.
Well for me you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you haven't noticed a significant drop off in his performances in the last two years.
But alas, it's your view and you're entitled to it.
Last year was a heavy drop in performances. In general he has obviously declined but he is still playing very well and offers a lot in winning us games.
Jose on Wayne in 2010
Rooney, despite being on the bench in the return leg vs Madrid celebrating like mad.
Those two posts shows Rooney passion for United, even Jose can see it saying he belongs to Old Trafford
Rooney, despite being on the bench in the return leg vs Madrid celebrating like mad.
Those two posts shows Rooney passion for United, even Jose can see it saying he belongs to Old Trafford
These issues all stunk of Rooney's agent, Paul Stretford I believe, pulling the strings from the shadows. There was a point Rooney's love for the club was undeniable - this, sadly, no longer holds true.
Oh whoopty doo! In a season that should be wiped off for being shambolic, the highest profiled player, highest earner and captain was "apparently" the best of a bad bunch! Why don't we name a stand after him then. If you don't think that Allardyce's handling of Rooney the other night wasn't weak, I'm glad majority of the watching public don't agree with you. All believed till the end? I'm hopeful José doesn't end up anything like his predecessors and finshes off what Fergie should have done and ends up like Fergie ended, a winner without sucking up to and over relying on Rooney!
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