He should already have 15 goals. Why not?
Rooney Contract Haggling / Transfer Requests Revisited
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He should already have 15 goals. Why not?
It was definitely 50 k we finally agreed to pay Keane in 2000.
The other Rooney defenders are wrong but it is their genuine opinion. I think with yourself it's about provoking a reaction. The above being another example of that.
Been some cracking posts in this thread but this one is extremely well thought and well argued imo
Ok my memory is playing tricks on me in terms of numbers. However apart from that, all I said was true
I don't agree his passing ability is average. He can pass quite accurately almost always. even last England game his pass to Walcott was excellent as was multiple instances of his forward passing in euros. In addition I'm sure you know how accurately he finds Valencia in the right flank from 30 yards out.
Which is why I think he has a great ability to pass the ball accurately. His passing stats also seem to back it up with a completion rate near 90%
Yean, agreed. Nail meets head with that post @finneh
Personally, I got a wee bit of issue with how some of our fans treat someone like Rooney, given all his years of service, while they're happy to idol worship, say, Ronaldo. But that's life.
And this is coming from someone who would have loved it if we were able to move Rooney on.
I think its simply an issue of where Ronaldo moved to. Romney's camp flirted with City and Chelsea. Change that to Bayern and Barca and it probably is more different.
Had he gone to another English club, the Ronaldo love in wouldn't exist.
I think the love for Ronaldo is over the top at times, but I think yhsts an entirely separate issue from Rooney fractious relationship with fans.
Milan's Dutch trio were getting 100k per week in 1990......
This has been confirmed by Ruud Gullit on a number of occasions.
This has been confirmed by Ruud Gullit on a number of occasions.
This right here is the real problem with many Rooney fanboys! It was just one pass, one pass that the recipient ended up being off side! Goodness me! It's almost like you lot will milk anything and everything to justify a poor performance. We are Manchester United for crying out loud and it's quite shameful that standards have dropped to "at least there was that one pass to Walcott that ended up being offside"
This was Blind, a make shift CB playing in probably the worst Dutch team to date and he did all of that in one game, I think. Yet Rooney who was given the freedom of the world against a shot Slovakian team could only muster one memorable pass?
To be fair, Rooney was playing a little deeper than Blind.
That would be, what, like a million per week these days? Apparently, 1,500 pounds was an average in England then. Barnes broke a record with 10,000 in 1992.
Berlusconi was throwing money at it, and they were super elite players.
Not John Barnes level.
he didn't fail. Rooney got lucky he had to retire....
I dont know why anyone still replies to him, he is a piss poor and blatantly obvious WUM,
Yeah, I don't doubt that plays a massive part in it. Also, Rooney's timing and opportunism of when "he held us to ransom" sort of leaves a bitter taste. I was probably more alluding to what finneh posted about "performances" though. If Rooney's been performing at a de facto world class level over the past 4-5 years, he'd be given much more leeway than he currently has been given.
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I would say Ruud is waffling there as i find that very hard to believe. The likes of Figo and Zidane were only getting to that wage level 10-12 years later in Spain.
Thats £15m a year for 3 players in 1990, no one else could have probably even offered half that back then.
I was talking regarding his passing accuracy. I never used one pass as an example. In fact the very post uses multiple instances of his accurate passing and if you had bothered to read the entire post to which you replied, you would have realised that it was not a praise of Rooney's game vs slovakia (I couldnt care less about his performances for England anyway). Instead like most of the so called "Rooney Haters" who act like they are the only people who care about United and everyone else who think that Rooney is anything but a completely useless buffoon only fit to play in china or MLS are anti-united. you take one part of the post, take it out of context and then accuse the other guy of not loving united like they do.
i agree, not a chance they were on that kind of money back then. Robbo was United & England captain and who was one of the best players of his generation was on £4,000 a week in 1990. Berlusconi was throwing money around but he was a successful businessman and not a complete idiot, he would pay players what he could get away with paying them.
You're certainly overstating how good a passer he is, he's very limited in that aspect and a lot of the passes he makes are very easy to make hence why he his stats look good. He's a million miles off been like a Carrick or a Scholes or even Keane in the way they could pass a ball. Everything he does is done without any pace or urgency, so frustrating to watch. I don't like Rooney but I wasn't a fan of Rio either but even in his later years he performed at a high level.
Not at all. His passing has been very good. and he can almost always find his man. i remember the game vs russia (i think he was the motm) almost all his passes were forward and he had a good success percent. I think sterling it was who missed a very good chance after a ball from rooney. Alli had a similar chance in the second game too. he can lack urgency as you say but that wasnt what i was saying. His passing is certainly pin point and you are understating it
I'm going to take as you didn't watch that Russia match because it was a terrible match. Kinda kills the rest of your argument really!
That is the most disappointing thing, his performances simply aren't worth what we are paying him, especially compared to rival players at other European clubs.
When criticized, instead of trying to improve, all he keeps saying is that he is being criticized simply because he is Wayne Rooney or reply that he has nothing to prove to anyone. He had the audacity to question our ambition, but you could easily question his now. No world class player should be happy with most of the perfomances he is churning out.
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SAF refused to be in his documentary? ooh, gossip
Wasn't Ferguson at his testimonial?
He could have easily missed that if he wanted to.
Why so? Doesn't take away that he actually played well. I saw that game and while it was no classic it was a decent game for the neutral.
Yeah he definitely was, they seem to have made up as Ferguson was full of praise for him a few weeks back.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...yne-rooney-would-be-a-great-player-in-any-era
Brings it all back, that pure shock at the downcast Fergie relaying the first transfer request. It felt like a huge blow, even worse than Ronaldo, as with him we all knew deep down he'd go, but Rooney? He was one of us, a British player, and no British player leaves United for another English club unless he's on the way down.
Then that sheer relief that he was staying.
Funny how things turn and he's now here, and just about hanging about in the team!
Then that sheer relief that he was staying.
Funny how things turn and he's now here, and just about hanging about in the team!
He has scored that much cos he has played for us for an unbelivably long time - 12 years. Id expect nothing less from a forward player who plays with the same club for 12 years. 12 years in a team thats generally attacking and usually scores the most goals = you should be the flipping top scorer. A better finisher would have actually got the record a season or more less.
Its the same with the england record, Rooney is the most capped outfield player, will probably be the most capped overall player too by the time he retires - thats why he is top scorer.
Is this against the worst Greek team in decades? (not that their best team was spectacular...)
I remember at the time of his transfer request somewhat agreeing with the sentiment that we were lacking ambition. For all SAF said about being in the CL final we had been severely outplayed by Barcelona and with Ronaldo leaving and Owen and Valencia coming in it seemed that SAF was almost trying to handicap himself for his final few years as manager. Almost a vanity project to prove he could unearth another Ronaldo or create a great team without breaking transfer records. The amount of deadwood accrued by the time SAF left was telling and only he was able to squeeze championship winning form out of those players.
That being said, it could have all been done away from the media and I never liked the fact that Rooney backed down so quickly. Obviously there was the initial relief we were still keeping our best player but when that died down there was the realisation that him getting a bumper pay rise would probably impact our ability to sign anyone big.
That being said, it could have all been done away from the media and I never liked the fact that Rooney backed down so quickly. Obviously there was the initial relief we were still keeping our best player but when that died down there was the realisation that him getting a bumper pay rise would probably impact our ability to sign anyone big.
I have to disagree with this.
The current Rooney has many faults, but he has always been a good finisher.
Playing many games doesn't necessarily equate to someone having many goals. Rather its more a testament that he has scored so many goals, which has resulted in the many games he has for club and country.
Also, Ronaldo always said he wanted to play for Real Madrid. SAF said he had no issues with that and that it was understandable, but he managed to get one more season out of Ronaldo and a good chunk of cash. It was completely different to Rooney.
So why did Rooney want to leave yet again when we bought RVP? He moaned when we didn't bring quality and he moaned when we brought quality.
RVP was undoubtedly quality but was he United displaying "ambition"? He was 29 with a history of leg injuries that suggested he would not last more than a few seasons. He was brought in to win SAF one last league title and did the job but his effectiveness was never going to be long term.
I think LVG taking over was the first time United showed ambition in the transfer market since Ronaldo left. Obviously there were some misfires but the intent to invest in good players was clear. Obviously it was amped up over the summer to obscene levels which is great!
But like I said, I agreed with Rooney's sentiment, in fact I am sure most fans worried about our lack of investment or shopping in the bargain bin too much. I didn't agree with him using it as a bargaining chip against the club.
Rooney started sulking because RVP was better than him and Rooney thus faced time on the bench - that's what happened. He didn't want to take that challenge, so he sulked instead. The fact that SAF managed to win the league with eleven points proved the squad wasn't half as bad as many pointed out. LVG wanted those players to play a completely different type of football. If you asked Barcelona to play like Real Madrid, they wouldn't be nearly as good as they are playing their style of football. Moyes was just a little out of his depth.
It's obviously all a matter of opinion; I don't like it when we spend as big on Pogba etc.
I've never really understood how a fan can worry about things like this. We're making so much money, such sales don't put the club at risk financially and buying Pogba means we can compete at the top again. The alternative is that it becomes profit to the Glazers.
Its not like, say, spending £60 million on him is any more ethical either. No person is technically worth the millions we see spent but to a football club there is a return on investment in such deals. I do think that the heart of Rooney's contract disputes were in some way reflecting the fact that we were not flexing our financial muscles like we should and would not be able to compete.