No, it is simply an air lauched ballistic missile
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
- Thread starter Wednesday at Stoke
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
He handled this situation pretty well.
"They've got the ornithologists involved"
One of the funniest rants I've seen so far.
It's incredible how literal he tries to emulate Solovyov.
Was hearing about drones over Moscow. Kiev denying it. The US denying it is as Kiev. Even seen a video of Zelenskyy saying “we only fight on our territory”
Just curious but why can’t ukraine fight on Russia territory. I don’t want this to happen . But it seems to have been set as a moral line that Ukraine can’t/shouldn’t cross. But why ?
Just curious but why can’t ukraine fight on Russia territory. I don’t want this to happen . But it seems to have been set as a moral line that Ukraine can’t/shouldn’t cross. But why ?
I think it would be extremely beneficial for Ukraine if any sabotage / incident in Russia is viewed as an internal Russian struggle. Even if it's just to make Russians themselves believe that there is the possibility of an internal opposition.
Putin rules Russia by might and force. Whoever takes any bit of power from him is going to need to use the same.
They can and they do. But denying it means every single incident in Russia causes more unrest because they can never be sure if it's an internal issue, or if it's an attack.
It's also pretty clear that it is expected that Ukraine does this. Germany's Minister of defence recently said quite directly that it would be completely legit and expected if Ukraine perform attacks on Russian soil to cripple Russia's attacking potential.
It's more than likely that it's NATO that is setting this line, not Ukraine.
Attacking Russian territory would be seen as an escalation. NATO are willing to supply Ukraine for a defensive war and to retake their territory, but aren't prepared to fund potential escalation and risk Putin going for the nuclear option.
They probably are attacking Russia's supply and infrastructure, but it won't be acknowledged publicly. It'll be "wink wink, nudge nudge" to NATO.
I'm going with the theory (just cos I want to) that it's part of Putin's preparations for the counter-offensive. He wants to keep his pal Prigozhin on side so given him an excuse to get out before he/wagner gets crushed while setting Shoigu etc up to catake the fall for everythinig.
Just like the Iskander-M it has some in flight guidence capabilities so maybe semi-ballistic would be the best description but like you say it's definitely not a cruise missile.
Prigozhin is still on it. I don't know, seems to be genuinely pissed off? Or is some 4D chess move.
Putin must be enjoying the competitive handbags between his underlings - each competing for his approval at at time when Putin badly needs the support of his apparatus to safeguard his own life.
Well the good thing for him is, that Gerassimov, Shoigu and Prigozhin get all the blame. Putin isn't mentioned once in their dispute. But I'm pretty sure, that such an important decision to starve Wagner of ammunition and equipment was approved by him and Prigozhin knows this too of course. Further it's interesting to see, that Prigozhin openly admits of huge losses. Something the Kremlin hides, or tries to hide since the beginning of the war.
I'm curious to see, how long Putin will allow such outbursts. Prigozhin will eventually hit the limit, where his threat to Kremlin's order exceeds his usefulness.
Last edited:
Yeah that make sense. If Putin had any concerns that Prigozhin was getting too powerful, the easiest way to marginalize him is to make him look like a loser by starving Wagner for ammo. Naturally, doing that will also mean he has to deal with losing Bakhmut, which will have a massive effect on Ukrainian morale before their counteroffensive.
Sure, a defensive organization poses the threat, not the imperialistic regime that wages the worst european war since ww2.
Deny them all european help and money. They must not see even a cent from european and western banks anymore, until the Hungarians vote those corrupt and Russian bought fecks out.
Last edited:
Good point. Didn’t think about the psychological aspect. Although in the long run it is setting the frame in the publics mind that attacking on Russian soil is something Ukraine wouldn’t / shouldn’t do
Kremlin hides the regular army losses. I think to everyone in Russia mercs like Wagner are considered the lowest of the low and therefore expendable fodder.
Because more Russians would see the war as Russia under attack and justifiably defending themselves, and put patriotism first.
If the war is perceived in Russia as a foreign adventure with boys dying for nothing then more will be against it.
Ultimately, because its not feasible to fight on Russian territory. The Ukrainians have a very specific remit from NATO (the source of their weapons) that they don't use the weapons to attack Russian territory. They also have to deal with the fact that all their weapons and ammo are already needed to defend their cities sand villages. All of this plus what @711 said above.
I'm wondering who he's talking to with these outbursts, Russian leadership, Russian people or the west/ukraine?
I think its a strategic decision, not a moral one.
German and Danish minister of defence visiting Bundeswehr training facility in Klietz: https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deut...z-pistorius-truppenbesuch-bundeswehr-104.html
Currently they are training Ukrainian troops on the Leopard 1 tank, Germany and Denmark will together provide about 80units in July and a similar number later in the year (subject to change depending on how quickly/how many of them can be repaired to be operational, as those have been out of service for up to 20 years).
Currently they are training Ukrainian troops on the Leopard 1 tank, Germany and Denmark will together provide about 80units in July and a similar number later in the year (subject to change depending on how quickly/how many of them can be repaired to be operational, as those have been out of service for up to 20 years).
"Run low on convicts" sounds dystopian.
RFK Jr. for President
Just came to post this, absolute hell on earth. The russians will pay for all the pain they have inflicted.
Me too. Hope the UKRs were all subterranean when those munitions were released.
doesn't the big 2022 emblazoned over the footage suggest it's from last year or is Bakhmut_2022 just a display name?
Not that I feel sorry for the guy, but is sentencing someone to 5-8 years in prison for "blogging" really a case study in democracy?
Depends on what he was blogging about, no?
I mean we are imprisoning people in the UK for 'noisy' protest, and we aren't even in a war. During WW2 similar actions were criminalised and punished with long jail terms.