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Some really ominous vibes coming from US intelligence w/r/t Kyiv falling to the Russians:

Stiffer than expected Ukrainian resistance and Russia's own logistical missteps have bogged down Russia's advance, US and Western officials say, sparking a fragile optimism. The US has also continued sharing downgraded intelligence with the Ukrainians, including about Russian military moves, in an attempt to help Ukraine on the battlefield, two of the sources told CNN.

But intelligence and defense officials closely tracking the Russian campaign say Putin still holds a number of moves in reserve that could devastate the Ukrainian resistance.

"From a purely military/tactical standpoint, Russia has the manpower and firepower to take Kyiv. No question," said an American source familiar with the intelligence. "And no matter how much resistance the Ukrainians put up."
Roughly a quarter of Russia's amassed troops have yet to enter Ukraine, a senior defense official told reporters on Monday — a potential "second wave," according to two sources familiar with the intelligence — and defense officials say Putin could yet order a far less restrained bombing campaign, including airstrikes, long-range missiles and artillery.

"They have been slowed and they have been frustrated by their lack of progress on Kyiv, and one of the things that could result is a reevaluation of their tactics and the potential for them to be more aggressive and more overt in both the size and the scale of their targeting of Kyiv," a senior defense official told reporters on Monday.

Even lil Marco is saying this:
 
After trickling attacks so far, looks like Russia are going to throw the kitchen sink at Kiev over the next couple of days. I don't want to imagine what happens next
 
Short of fighting the Russians in Ukraine, NATO could allow Ukrainian pilots to use eastern NATO bases to stage Ukrainian fighter sorties, and provide mainland refueling between flights. This would be in a similar way as Putin is using Belarus as a staging point into Ukraine.
Was thinking the same, plus Putin can't feasibly hit them while on NATO ground, unless he risks total escalation
 
Some really ominous vibes coming from US intelligence w/r/t Kyiv falling to the Russians:

Stiffer than expected Ukrainian resistance and Russia's own logistical missteps have bogged down Russia's advance, US and Western officials say, sparking a fragile optimism. The US has also continued sharing downgraded intelligence with the Ukrainians, including about Russian military moves, in an attempt to help Ukraine on the battlefield, two of the sources told CNN.

But intelligence and defense officials closely tracking the Russian campaign say Putin still holds a number of moves in reserve that could devastate the Ukrainian resistance.


Roughly a quarter of Russia's amassed troops have yet to enter Ukraine, a senior defense official told reporters on Monday — a potential "second wave," according to two sources familiar with the intelligence — and defense officials say Putin could yet order a far less restrained bombing campaign, including airstrikes, long-range missiles and artillery.

Even lil Marco is saying this:

It is very likely Kyiv will fall sooner or later. They will not be able to hold it for forever and the sheer number of Russian troops still coming towards Kyiv, they are very likely to break through. The biggest question here I think is, what's next after they take Kyiv? I think it's doubtful now that they can take over entire Ukraine, especially the western part of it, since they had much more time to prepare than the other parts, so does Russia just stop there?
 
Didn't know Czech had an authoritarian regime.
It seems they have existing laws about expressing approval of criminal acts that could see people charged. Police have received complaints from people and are investigating them.

I guess that means the Czech state sees Russia's acts as criminal or even worse. The laws don't seem that much different from Germany in some respects.


It's actually not only the Czech republic, Slovakia punishes online comments supporting Russia with 10-25 years in prison.

Long prison term for support of war propaganda

In connection with the Russian military invasion of Ukraine, the police warn that in some cases, imprisonment for 10 to 25 years to life may be threatened for the promotion of the war. The National Criminal Agency (NAKA) will adequately address the search for such crime on the Internet.

https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagandy-hrozi-az-dozivotie/
 
It is very likely Kyiv will fall sooner or later. They will not be able to hold it for forever and the sheer number of Russian troops still coming towards Kyiv, they are very likely to break through. The biggest question here I think is, what's next after they take Kyiv? I think it's doubtful now that they can take over entire Ukraine, especially the western part of it, since they had much more time to prepare than the other parts, so does Russia just stop there?
My sense is that they’ll come on the negotiating table after. Right now, with nothing to show for they’re not in a position to bargain. But with Kiev control, however temporary, they can quickly come and negotiate something that remotely feels like a win and get it done with.
 
Hopefully you are right. If you do end up being right, then it is starting to become clear that UKR and the West may also be manipulating the media/social media.
Well, I was right about the "force" being used, it's no more than a few dozens of soldiers walking on foot into the city! Even without an armor! What I don't understand is why nobody is shooting at them. They're just walking in the city without any fight.

Surely there has to be somebody with a gun in the city and will pick them out...





 
It is very likely Kyiv will fall sooner or later. They will not be able to hold it for forever and the sheer number of Russian troops still coming towards Kyiv, they are very likely to break through. The biggest question here I think is, what's next after they take Kyiv? I think it's doubtful now that they can take over entire Ukraine, especially the western part of it, since they had much more time to prepare than the other parts, so does Russia just stop there?
Guess the objective is to eliminate/exile Zelenskiy and prop up a puppet government.
 
If those strikes happened it's not disinformation is it?

Agree about the points on Syria, Russia really did a number there, a total scorched earth approach which killed so many innocents.
The disinformation is that just because strikes happened elsewhere does not mean that they matter less here in Ukraine now. You should be even fecking angrier about what is starting to happen in Kharkiv right now, because it is beginning to look like Russia will consider doing what they did in Syria and turn Kharkiv into another Aleppo.

You are doing the Kremlin’s job for them if you are engaging in whataboutery. They actively want black people, brown people and white people from the West to divide on these issues and not present a united front.
 
Seems only a matter of time now that Kyiv will be taken over by russian forces. A bloody and devastating night and now so many russian forces are advancing into Ukraine.
 
It’s bad for Ukraine at the minute but it’s worse in Yemen and about to get even worse.

There’s roughly 3 million children starving in Yemen and without Ukraine’s wheat it will get a hell of a lot worse.

The Arab states must be hoping that Russia takes Ukraine quickly.
 
Guess the objective is to eliminate/exile Zelenskiy and prop up a puppet government.
Yea but will people suddenly stop fighting once this happens? Ukraine is way past the point of accepting any pro Russian government IMO.
 
Yea but will people suddenly stop fighting once this happens? Ukraine is way past the point of accepting any pro Russian government IMO.
Ah no, I don't think thev resulting insurgency will be over in months, if not years.
 
It’s bad for Ukraine at the minute but it’s worse in Yemen and about to get even worse.

There’s roughly 3 million children starving in Yemen and without Ukraine’s wheat it will get a hell of a lot worse.

The Arab states must be hoping that Russia takes Ukraine quickly.

Russia is no.1 supplier of wheat in the world and Ukraine 4th. I do not think much wheat will be produced this year in Ukraine. But the "arab states" could help their own. There are enough super rich states there so that they could support with food, water and medicines if they actually WANTED to help.
 
We are seeing satellite images of the 40mile Russian military convoy.
But why are the roads not being mined or covered by IEDs in order to slow or stall them.
Or bomb them from the air with jets or attack helicopters.
They look to be a sitting target.
 
It’s bad for Ukraine at the minute but it’s worse in Yemen and about to get even worse.

There’s roughly 3 million children starving in Yemen and without Ukraine’s wheat it will get a hell of a lot worse.

The Arab states must be hoping that Russia takes Ukraine quickly.

There is a separate thread for Yemen.
 
Russia is no.1 supplier of wheat in the world and Ukraine 4th. I do not think much wheat will be produced this year in Ukraine. But the "arab states" could help their own. There are enough super rich states there so that they could support with food, water and medicines if they actually WANTED to help.

Help their own? I don’t think the Arab states would consider another Arab state as their own? Its like saying why don’t Poland help Ukraine, it’s never that simple.

I mean Saudi Arabia are bombing Yemen almost daily, Some Yemen’s are trying to bomb Dubai, missile intercepted two weeks ago.
 
We are seeing satellite images of the 40mile Russian military convoy.
But why are the roads not being mined or covered by IEDs in order to slow or stall them.
Or bomb them from the air with jets or attack helicopters.
They look to be a sitting target.

I also don't understand this. Should be the easiest target to hit ever. Russia may have air superiority, but surely artillery or missile strikes would still be an option.
 
Fecking hell. That probably killed a few civillians

it sure did kill many. It directly hit one car, I think
what a pointless way to die, absolutely mindboggling..can't wrap my head around it
 
I also don't understand this. Should be the easiest target to hit ever. Russia may have air superiority, but surely artillery or missile strikes would still be an option.

That's what I thought. Ukraine release footage of them hitting other convey'a which are smaller