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You really have to wonder wtf he was thinking, backing out of a coup halfway and thinking he'd get away with it.
 
B20 said:
You really have to wonder wtf he was thinking, backing out of a coup halfway and thinking he'd get away with it.
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The analysis by our national media(DR) was that he already considered himself a dead man so went all out when he marched on Moscow. Its simply weird that he backed out and thought he could get to live. I honestly dont think he was very bright.
 
Morty_ said:
Its almost for sure not achievable anymore, you only get one shot at this, and they blew it.
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Depends if there's still any Wagner support amongst the leadership, or if they now cower away like good little sheep.

Despite being amongst the most evil cnuts on earth, the one thing Prigozhin had going for him was that he gave the appearance of actually caring about Russians. That's something Russia hasn't had in a leader in a very long time, seeing him snubbed out like that, Utkin too, a celebrated war hero, is not going to sit well.

On the other hand, Putin's iron grip is probably as strong as it ever was, so nothing will happen.
 
B20 said:
That's exactly why I think there might be a counter reaction. They all saw how close they were before Prighozin got cold feet. The top in Wagner now must be thinking that either they go quietly into the night and fall out of windows in the coming year, or they go and finish what might still be a very achievable coup.
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I don't think they have much, if any, heavy weaponry anymore.
 
B20 said:
That's exactly why I think there might be a counter reaction. They all saw how close they were before Prighozin got cold feet. The top in Wagner now must be thinking that either they go quietly into the night and fall out of windows in the coming year, or they go and finish what might still be a very achievable coup.
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Again, top leaders are dead or will be soon and Putin bought some.

If there is someone who is ruthless and expert at this, it is Putin. He probably miscalculated the situation in the first place already. He won't again.
 
Wagner guys are mercenaries at the end of the day. They are not necessarily ideologically attached to Wagner. If Wagner can not pay salaries anymore, then it's game over.
 
Simbo said:
Depends if there's still any Wagner support amongst the leadership, or if they now cower away like good little sheep.

Despite being amongst the most evil cnuts on earth, the one thing Prigozhin had going for him was that he gave the appearance of actually caring about Russians. That's something Russia hasn't had in a leader in a very long time, seeing him snubbed out like that, Utkin too, a celebrated war hero, is not going to sit well.

On the other hand, Putin's iron grip is probably as strong as it ever was, so nothing will happen.
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I don't know, this whole ordeal, combined with the faltering Ukraine war, has still weakened him. Once a few cracks have surfaced, you can't erase them. Public perception is everything.
 
One of the best crossover in conspiracy theory history, russia today meets antivax meets assassination :lol:

 
i thought the "vaxxed" jokes on twitter were getting stale/repetitive, then RT goes and actually does it! fair play.

e - fake, searched the RT website and the story doesn't exist, got fooled by a photoshop again :(
 
berbatrick said:
i thought the "vaxxed" jokes on twitter were getting stale/repetitive, then RT goes and actually does it! fair play.

e - fake, searched the RT website and the story doesn't exist, got fooled by a photoshop again :(
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My bad, I usually double check when i post things like that but I think RT is blocked in France and I couldn't use my VPN.
 
VorZakone said:
Wagner guys are mercenaries at the end of the day. They are not necessarily ideologically attached to Wagner. If Wagner can not pay salaries anymore, then it's game over.
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Well... are they really? Looking at Wagners history it is just an unofficial branch of the army, full of veterans and among them a lot quite nationalist ones. It's not just a mercenary company, it is Russians ready to fight for Russia everywhere on the world.

So lots of them have some ideological attachment, and now they lost their leading figures. And it is true, Prigozhin at least appeared to care for Russians and at some point was ready to pull the plug (I presume when he was running out of worthless convicts and had to send worthy Russians to certain death). Who will now publicly care for the (fighting) Russians? Everybody there knows that the answer isn't Putin.

However at this point I severely doubt that they have the means to perform another stunt like two months ago. They got get them again quickly if they have enough support in the army, but I guess that is questionable.
 
I thought that video was from a different event? But, if it was about this one, it seems that they tried to maximize the terror before plummeting into death. I can't say the guy didn't deserve it, though. A pity though that the other guy who took down the Malaysia airline was not in it.
 
B20 said:
That's exactly why I think there might be a counter reaction. They all saw how close they were before Prighozin got cold feet. The top in Wagner now must be thinking that either they go quietly into the night and fall out of windows in the coming year, or they go and finish what might still be a very achievable coup.
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The top of Wagner is eliminated. Meduza has a good article on it, they've asked current and ex-Wagner members about their opinion on what happened – here's a few excerpts:
It's sad, of course: Prigozhin was a serious dude, we've called him "Batya" (Dad). But the time has gone, you know? If it would've happened on the 27th of June, straight after the march, then yes, there would've been a reaction. And now... some are on a holiday, some try to fix their lives up. Some are already working for the Ministry of Defense
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Nothing to worry about: people will talk shit for a couple of weeks and then people will forget about it. About the guys – some are locked up in Belarus, some in Africa, the rest are spread thin throughout the entire Russia. They were broken up preemptively – the government has ensured its safety.
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harms said:
The top of Wagner is eliminated. Meduza has a good article on it, they've asked current and ex-Wagner members about their opinion on what happened – here's a few excerpts:
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Yes, Putin would not have ordered Prigozhin's assassination without first making sure he had nothing to fear from his Wagners. He didn't wait for two months only to take a cold revenge, but also used that time to weaken Wagner. 20k Wagners with heavy armor were a real threat to Putin. But now, 2 months later with one part in Africa, one part signed contracts with the MoD. They had to leave their heavy armor behind going to Belarus. They're not a threat anymore.
 
U.S., Ukraine Clash Over Counteroffensive Strategy

The American advice is based on the calculation that the surge of equipment the U.S. has funneled to Ukraine—more than $43 billion in weaponry has been committed over the years—is enough for this offensive and is unlikely to be repeated at anywhere near the same level in 2024.
“We built up this mountain of steel for the counteroffensive. We can’t do that again,” one former U.S. official said. “It doesn’t exist.”
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“You don’t understand the nature of this conflict,” Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, the commander of the Ukrainian armed forces, the Ukrainian commander, responded in one interaction with the Americans, a U.S. official recounted. “This is not counterinsurgency. This is Kursk,” the commander added, referring to the major World War II battle between Germany and the Soviet Union.
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It isn’t too late for Ukraine to make gains, according to U.S. officials.
Ukrainian commanders also say that time hasn’t yet run out on their counteroffensive, and Zaluzhny has told U.S. officials his forces are on the cusp of a breakthrough.
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https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/u-s-ukraine-clash-over-counteroffensive-strategy-cb5e4324
 
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