No chance, I live here and the shock & disgust at the UK vote is huge.
The immigration problem here is non-EU.
Scottish / Irish Independance
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
No chance, I live here and the shock & disgust at the UK vote is huge.
The immigration problem here is non-EU.
The I want my country back crowd are closet racists
It wouldn't be spent by Tories in Wales. It'd go to old people or tax cuts. Those people who voted out to revolt against austerity have aimed thier fire at the only people who were helping them
I'm sure there are. Even many of those for it in a general sense don't see it as an issue that requires urgent action. But attitudes and economies change over time and I still think it will happen eventually.
As are those people who watch England vote Brexit and cry racist while Wales votes brexit and ... The 30% of Scottish people who voted to leave are pure as the driven snow and the Scottish independence movement is all high brow intellectuals with the best of intentions. Grow up for fecks sake.
Listen to what these people have to say. They havnt voted out because the EU has a democratic deficit. They haven't voted out because because of EU rules. They've voted out because they blame migrants for feck knows what
Mostly
People have had their anger directed to people not much different to themselves, just their skin colour or ethnicity being different
Thanks for the link its a good read and rings very true to me.
It depends how badly the country gets battered by Brexit. It is important to note that Ireland is now the only official English speaking country in the EU and that could be of major benefit to their economy in terms of investment from multi-nationals.
There is a realistic possibility that large companies in Northern Ireland could move across a very local border and centre their operations in the Republic, is there not?
As I said before, even if the United Ireland would benefit the NI economy, I'd be surprised if it passed because of the divide. I just hope the younger generation and generations to come are more intelligent than to be dragged into this 'us vs them' nonsense and to work together as one for a prosperous NI.
Is that not what we're doing now? Any call for a United Ireland is not one that leads to a prosperous Northern Ireland.
There are indeed, common sense wise it wouldn't work right now or in the near future.
But in the future if it made economic sense i'm sure those Catholics along with many Protestants would vote for a United Ireland. I reckon theres only so many people on either side who would vote for/against a United Ireland regardless of how much better off we would potentially be.
So you are calling over 17 million people stupid...
What about Norway and Switzerland who only choose to be part of the EEA, are they stupid as well?And how is the Norway & Switzerland example stupid, of course the U.K needs to pay in, but Norway & Switzerland dont have to abide by everything the EU imposes, they also have open access to the EFTA.
What do you mean the U.K wont part of the EFTA?
The U.K are the second biggest contributor to the EU and the 5th biggest economy in the world. The EU wants a trade deal with them.
So you are calling over 17 million people stupid...
And how is the Norway & Switzerland example stupid, of course the U.K needs to pay in, but Norway & Switzerland dont have to abide by everything the EU imposes, they also have open access to the EFTA.
What do you mean the U.K wont part of the EFTA?
The U.K are the second biggest contributor to the EU and the 5th biggest economy in the world. The EU wants a trade deal with them.
6th now.
The politicians might be saying no, but a recent poll suggest the people wanted out. I know of a lot people living there and the majority are swaying to out.
I suppose misinformation is better than disinformation.
Are you trying to tell him he's wrong about the general attitude of his fellow countrymen because of a poll and a few people you know that live there?
He knows a few people who live there as well...
Idea of the quitting is stupid. I am surprised that no one in GB asked themselves what other EU countries think about 17m British people thinking that the rest of the EU are unwanted immigrants which you are supporting with way to much money which you pay to EU. Just a thought.So you are calling over 17 million people stupid...
And how is the Norway & Switzerland example stupid, of course the U.K needs to pay in, but Norway & Switzerland dont have to abide by everything the EU imposes, they also have open access to the EFTA.
What do you mean the U.K wont part of the EFTA?
The U.K are the second biggest contributor to the EU and the 5th biggest economy in the world. The EU wants a trade deal with them.
Bolded part: two biggest sells in out campain was money which you are paying to EU and that you should close the borders. It is a little confusing that all of you are so confident GB will remain a part of EFTA which means open borders and paying to EU. British people just voted AGAINST those two things. That is why a comparison with Switzerland and Norway is strange.
Also I am not so confident that EU will want GB to remain a part of EFTA and even if both sides will want it it still takes time to negotiate this deal which can result in GB dropping out of EFTA for some time and this is one thing no country ever tried. You were a part of EU for around 40 years and changes which will follow after you leave will be big.
I think that Spain-or at least this government-would veto Scotland in the EU
Are you trying to tell me he has spoken to every single person in Sweden?
More than you woukd be a good bet.
I think they'd consider it and threaten to due to Catalonia, but I don't think it'd be particularly beneficial for them to do so in the end.
So you are calling over 17 million people stupid...
And how is the Norway & Switzerland example stupid, of course the U.K needs to pay in, but Norway & Switzerland dont have to abide by everything the EU imposes, they also have open access to the EFTA.
What do you mean the U.K wont part of the EFTA?
The U.K are the second biggest contributor to the EU and the 5th biggest economy in the world. The EU wants a trade deal with them.
Regarding Norway, don't they have a lot of resources that the UK don't have? Ones that would have been limited by the EU?
Perhaps but this is very different from an entity leaving an EU country to then try and be independent. As someone said before, there is a legitimate reason for Scotland to leave that is not there for Catalonia. If Scotland were to leave now and try to rejoin the EU that nuance might be important.
Also if the EU is particularly harsh on R-UK then it might be a sign that Catalonia would suffer not being in the EU and not being part of Spain.
If Norway joined the EU, they would have to open their waters to EU vessels and give up control to over agriculture & fisheries, which is a major no for Norway.
I think the government believes that at the end the independence boom will decline proportionally to the increase of employment and economy and probably will accept it but in the meantime It would create a very dangerous precedent ,to get a referendum and subscribe for the union in five minutes.
It´s not particularly beneficial but certain entities of Catalan politics have reached the point of defying court rulings , so the current policy based on fear and stubbornness is probably all they can do
I have to say Northern Ireland and Scotland voting to remain has made what would already be an incredibly complicated process of taking the UK out of the EU into a total clusterfeck and I'm pretty pleased about that. Thanks guys.
Yeah to you, but you are not British.
The EFTA has nothing to do with the the EU, plus the the UK can enter agreements with the US, Canada etc, which the EU do not have or wont have for at least 3 years. And of course the EU will want a trade agreement with the U.K, its all very well trying to make a example of the U.k but it will completely destabilize the EU if there is not one. A new agreement will be in place before the U.K fully leave the EU.
That's what I thought. So, being fair, they're in no way comparable to the UK then I guess.
Giving a hand to GB will destabilize EU way more than no trading agreement. If GB will get out with no problems and will their economy would raised after leaving it will give a sign to all other countries which are thinking about it that they should do it. If GB economy colapses on the other hand no one will ever think about doing the same.
How so? The UK once had the largest fishing fleet in Europe before the CFP
You are thinking to small minded, if you actually think that is going to happen. Nations with strong allies to the UK(especially Sweden and Denmark) are not just going to accept a decision of a refusal to trade agreements with the UK? That would lead to domino effect and eventual collapse
Good job we didn't spend 40 years pissing off half of Europe and have plenty of allies then.
Oh wait...
I voted no to independance last time.
Given the choice again I may well vote yes if it meant inclusion in the EU
Given the choice again I may well vote yes if it meant inclusion in the EU
I don't think that is what you are doing now, personally - given that more than 40% of your country voted to Leave the EU despite there being next to no benefit to Northern Ireland to do so.
NI is also in the strange position where it shares a border with what will become the only English speaking country in the EU. Another massively understated point, in my opinion. It would be relatively easy for multinationals based in NI, as aforementioned, to move south of the border.
In that way, you now have a potentially weaker private sector in a country already heavily reliant on public sector money. You are being ruled from Westminster when the UK economy is likely to be unstable and uncertain. If you think Westminster's top priority will be to ensure the welfare of Northern Ireland, I'd hazard a guess that you are wrong.
With all that said, if it's possible to convince more than 40% of the population to vote for such a horrendous scenario, it seems abundantly clear to me that economic progress is not high on the list of the voters agenda. And there are cases wherein a United Ireland could be economically beneficial for NI. It would be foolish to suggest otherwise.
Honestly, it just seems to me that you have your ears closed to alternative scenarios.
Spain can be re-assured that no one will give Catalonia a fast track into the EU as long as Spain is a EU member
Ok. Explain how knowingly getting rid of all the jobs paid for by the British Government on the basis that other jobs may become available would be considered a sound economic decision.